I found this thread on Twitter with all of JJM’s throws over 20. Will delete if link doesn’t work right..(haven’t done a Twitter link so not sure)
What I noticed:
He’s good throwing on the run, can zip the ball in accurately with good velo. Has some absolute missiles in there, uses different arm angles. Also makes it looks easy when he can set his feet and throw the ball on a line drive trajectory 30+ yards downfield. If it was a cut up of just those + the other good “intangible” things you hear about him,, I can see how some would believe he is a top 4 pick.
What I see…Doesn’t have many clubs in his bag besides the “throw it as hard as you can” club. He struggles whenever he has to drive the ball downfield with air under it or layer it into a window. Especially outside of the numbers. On the go ball, a number of underthrows and misfires that led the receiver towards the middle of the field (a sign of not being able to get enough on the ball).
He is not on the same stratosphere as the other top 3 QB’s when it comes to his deep ball.
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I'm hoping the Vikings trade up to 3 and we can get Maye or JJM for much less draft capital. Ultimately, I have faith in Schoen n Co to do what is best. If they feel conviction in one of these guys and a trade is available, they will make it happen. If they can't trade up for the guy they love, then there will be some grade A receivers or a potential haul via trade down.
Yeah it's not bad, but it's one of the only weaknesses I see: layering with touch and throwing with touch over 20 yards. Which will improve with evolving his throwing motion as Allen did.
The go balls were a different story. Looked like a lot of issues with touch and timing, and the player I saw on these clips can not step into the NFL and hit the same kind of moon balls Tyrod was connecting on during the season. I have my doubts that this is a power issue, because I can't imagine someone who can throw a line drive 20 yards down the field can't get strength on a go ball.
Nonetheless, if he is the pick, I imagine they'll run a different type of offense to start until they get his deep ball technique figured out (if possible). You may see more deep outs with Slayton and Hyatt than go routes. If Waller isn't retired, I feel McCarthy could utilize him in the deep middle as well.
Sometimes he reminds me of a golfer who can consistently hit the ball more than 300 yards but has an average short game, or a baseball pitcher who can throw in the high 90s or even over 100 mph, but has difficulty finding the plate. Can those problems be corrected? Maybe. His talent is enough to justify taking him at #6 to try and find out, especially since we need a QB. QBs also get overdrafted every year.
Sometimes he reminds me of a golfer who can consistently hit the ball more than 300 yards but has an average short game, or a baseball pitcher who can throw in the high 90s or even over 100 mph, but has difficulty finding the plate. Can those problems be corrected? Maybe. His talent is enough to justify taking him at #6 to try and find out, especially since we need a QB. QBs also get overdrafted every year.
Ironically, this is what Allen changed in 2020 which led to him becoming one if the best QBs in the league. Throwing with a tighter, core based rotation. I imagine JJM will make the same type of evolution with his motion which would improve touch and accuracy on deeper throws.
I mean if McCarthy is there at 6 and you had your choice between him or jones… it’s an absolute fucking no brainer
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Highlights can be misleading.
On a recent Move The Sticks podcast, Jeremiah says he likes to focus on cut ups of QB throws on 3rd & long (7 yards or more).
His opinion was that JJM was the best in the class in those situations.
I believe it was the 3/14/24 episode.
Only thing that scares me with this… JJ had a great QB coach. If there was something to fix you would assume he would have fixed it.
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Lacking touch on intermediate to deep throws using his arm strength instead of precision. I really think this is from the throwing motion that will be fixed. When you throw too much with your arm the touch in intermediate to deep throws suffers. Allen greatly improved in all facets of his game when he went from a pitching motion over the top mostly arm style to a more core rotation based throwing motion which leads to greater accuracy and touch (especially on intermediate to deep throws) plus a quicker release.
Only thing that scares me with this… JJ had a great QB coach. If there was something to fix you would assume he would have fixed it.
A change like this in your throwing motion wouldn't be done to a college QB who is more than enough to compete for a national championship. Think about it, Michigan knew he would likely only start for 2 years then go pro. To make a change in his entire throwing motion with so little time when everything was working just fine and wasn't broken so why fix it? I think a lot of coaches and GM's are thinking he could evolve his throwing motion and improve what is already immense potential into a very special QB. It would be a process throughout his first year and into his second as it was for Josh Allen. Check out the link, they use high tech software to analyze every part of their throwing motion and make it more balanced from the core to maximize efficiency which in turn greatly helps accuracy and touch on intermediate to deep throws.