And that reason is Marvin Harrison Jr., a player I firmly believe, barring injuries, will ascend to the Hall of Fame and become one of the NFL's top three wide receivers for years to come. All of a sudden, there's a possibly that he may fall to 6, which was absolutely unthinkable a few months back. Maserati Marv is about as sure of a thing, IMO, as there has been since Calvin Johnson. Harrison Jr. not only meets every criterion but excels in each aspect of the game. While I think Odunze and Nabers are excellent WR prospects and top-10 guys all day long, it surprises me to see some teams favoring either over MHJ. He possesses both immediate professional readiness and untapped potential. I think MHJ is the best player in the Draft to the point where I would bypass the need for a certain QB in order to take MHJ. I would trade up for Maye, but that's it. I wouldn't trade up for any other QB.
Nevertheless, our team urgently requires a quarterback of the future; this is indisputable. Despite any admiration one may harbor for Daniel Jones (*cough* Jack Stroud *cough) and the belief that his previous season did not reflect his true skill, his history of injuries renders him unreliable. A single severe injury could jeopardize our future, given the ramifications of his contract. Therefore, he should refrain from playing in 2024 unless under dire circumstances. The debate over whether Drew Lock or a rookie quarterback should lead our team's opening game should be debated in the summer, but I adamantly oppose seeing DJ on the field this year.
Returning to the draft, in my estimation, only two quarterbacks merit top-three selections: Caleb Williams and Drake Maye. While I do like Daniels and would consider him at the sixth overall pick (I still don't know if I would take him over Nabers or Odunze), provided Marvin Harrison Jr. is unavailable, my enthusiasm wanes for McCarthy. Despite his commendable arm strength and intangibles, selecting him at number six feels excessively risky. While I respect opinions from those with deeper insights than I have, I struggle to comprehend how anyone could confidently choose McCarthy within the top ten picks. For me, it's reminiscent of the Christian Ponder rising, though McCarthy was the better prospect and college QB.
Therefore, if the decision narrows between Maye and Harrison, I go with Maye. However, if it boils down to selecting Harrison or any other quarterback (i.e. Daniels or McCarthy), my stance remains resolute: I opt for the undeniable talent. Much like the regrettable choice of Daniel Jones over Josh Allen (the EDGE) due to the need for a future quarterback, disregarding talent for a lesser quarterback would constitute a grave error.
If that means a year of Drew Lock and focusing on next year's QB crop, so be it. It's definitely not ideal and not what I personally prefer, but I'd rather be in love with my QB of the future than simply just like him.
And for the record, I don't want to trade back into the first round for a QB. I am not touching Bo Nix or Michael Penix Jr. in the first round with a 10 foot pole. Actually, I'd rather take my chances in the second round with Spencer Rattler than Michael Penix Jr.
Of course this whole thread would be moot if MHJ is taken before us (as expected). However, the likelihood of that scenario unfolding is no longer as implausible as previously perceived.
Two more years 'till Arch!
Now tell me the average WR's that put up big numbers with a BIGTIME QB at the helm..
MHJ looks to be an amazing prospect and I would not mind if the Giants come away from this draft with him, but a QB is simply much more important if one they like is attainable.
Now tell me the average WR's that put up big numbers with a BIGTIME QB at the helm..
I immediately thought of the "full bloom love" or "touched by the hand of God".
Get me the QB. Simple. Harrison Jr is doing jackshit with Lock or Jones.
We all love playing out the draft in our heads. But I don’t see a scenario where MHJ drops to 6.
Top 3 selections will be a QB. 4 could be a QB but I think it’s all noise. In the event that it’s not noise… the Chargers don’t have a WR and desperately need one. If on the off chance they decided to trade back… someone is trading to 5 to get MHJ.
I just don’t see it.
Now tell me the average WR's that put up big numbers with a BIGTIME QB at the helm..
The closet would probably be Tim Brown and Old Jerry Rice making Rich Gannon a 2 time first team all Pro, 1 time MVP and losing the super bowl.
If you do not see a large difference in the QB's after Williams and Daniels are off the board it is not the worst idea in the world.
Penix isn't making it anywhere near 47. Maybe Nix but doubtful there too. I'm not even sure if we would even have the ammo to get to where we would need to get to (Probably mid-late first round) to get Penix if we don't tap into very premium 2025 picks.
To make Penix work, we'd probably have to go the other way. Trade back for assets and get him mid first round. But that takes top WR out of the mix.
There are plenty of other analysts with views opposite Waldman’s.
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he suggests WR in round 1 and QB in round 2. He seemed to like Penix and Nix better than Maye and McCarthy.
Penix isn't making it anywhere near 47. Maybe Nix but doubtful there too. I'm not even sure if we would even have the ammo to get to where we would need to get to (Probably mid-late first round) to get Penix if we don't tap into very premium 2025 picks.
To make Penix work, we'd probably have to go the other way. Trade back for assets and get him mid first round. But that takes top WR out of the mix.
I don't think Nix will make it past pick 12, Pennix has a small chance but i doubt it.
Now tell me the average WR's that put up big numbers with a BIGTIME QB at the helm..
Any receiver that puts up big numbers is not average
Now tell me the average WR's that put up big numbers with a BIGTIME QB at the helm..
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WR's in NFL history with little to nothing at QB and what did their teams win?
Now tell me the average WR's that put up big numbers with a BIGTIME QB at the helm..
Doesn't matter. You get MHJ if he's available. Period. You can get a QB before MHJ's rookie contract is up. And he will 100% put some shine on any QB he plays with. Sign me up!
You can’t just make QBs appear out of nowhere.
2) I do not think there is a big dropoff to Odunze or Nabers, one of whom will be available at 6.
3) My preference is still QB at 6, but only if they love whomever of Maye/McCarthy is still on the board. I wouldn't trade up for either. If their guy is gone, go WR and then re-visit QB in round 2 with Nix or Penix. I don't think the dropoff there from Maye/McCarthy is that big. Penix does scare me though, for a variety of reasons. I think he may have the biggest ceiling of all the QBs, but also the lowest floor.
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WR's in NFL history with little to nothing at QB and what did their teams win?
Now tell me the average WR's that put up big numbers with a BIGTIME QB at the helm..
Doesn't matter. You get MHJ if he's available. Period. You can get a QB before MHJ's rookie contract is up. And he will 100% put some shine on any QB he plays with. Sign me up!
You can’t just make QBs appear out of nowhere.
Or an offensive line.
This would be amazing. But no way either are available that late.
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WR's in NFL history with little to nothing at QB and what did their teams win?
Now tell me the average WR's that put up big numbers with a BIGTIME QB at the helm..
Doesn't matter. You get MHJ if he's available. Period. You can get a QB before MHJ's rookie contract is up. And he will 100% put some shine on any QB he plays with. Sign me up!
As great as Jefferson is-- where has he taken Minny? And you are just magicaly going to get a qb? -- Good luck.
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WR's in NFL history with little to nothing at QB and what did their teams win?
Now tell me the average WR's that put up big numbers with a BIGTIME QB at the helm..
Doesn't matter. You get MHJ if he's available. Period. You can get a QB before MHJ's rookie contract is up. And he will 100% put some shine on any QB he plays with. Sign me up!
You can’t just make QBs appear out of nowhere.
Or an offensive line.
There are 150 offensive line starters in the NFL. Over 500 in college.
There’s about 1/5th the amount of starting QBs in college in a given year.
Now tell me the average WR's that put up big numbers with a BIGTIME QB at the helm..
Would you count Purdy and Deebo?
It's a prediction. When you have a prospect as good as Marvin Harrison Jr. is, you can have lofty expectations.
In Mistah T's mock, he had the Cardinals taking McCarthy and trading Kyler to the Vikings. He then had the Chargers going with Joe Alt. Absurd, but that's what he did.
Agree.
Absolutely ZERO chance he falls to 6
Absolutely ZERO chance he falls to 6
Might be a small chance but it's definitely not zero. Every year there's ZERO chance Player X will be available at Draft Slot. Multiple instances of that. And yet every year players experience surprising and often shocking slides.
Small chance, infinitesimal even? I'll give you that. But it's not zero.
Absolutely ZERO chance he falls to 6
Might be a small chance but it's definitely not zero. Every year there's ZERO chance Player X will be available at Draft Slot. Multiple instances of that. And yet every year players experience surprising and often shocking slides.
Small chance, infinitesimal even? I'll give you that. But it's not zero.
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he suggests WR in round 1 and QB in round 2. He seemed to like Penix and Nix better than Maye and McCarthy.
This would be amazing. But no way either are available that late.
I’m not so sure of this anymore. Sounds like Nix may fall a bit if Denver doesn’t pull the trigger on him.
In the years of Bill Parcells and Coughlin, the only name receiver was Plaxico. He did contribute a lot, especially in that conference title win over the Packers. But otherwise guys named Stephen Baker and Mark Ingram, and David Tyree and Mario Manningham somehowto make the plays you would have expected from much higher regarded receivers. But, I could be wrong.
Hate to say it but he reminds me a lot of Jones. In the 4th round? Absolutely. I want them to pick 2 QBs in the draft so hope this is in play.
this is why you DONT take a WR based on your logic
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WR's in NFL history with little to nothing at QB and what did their teams win?
Now tell me the average WR's that put up big numbers with a BIGTIME QB at the helm..
Would you count Purdy and Deebo?
Cousins and Jefferson?
Megatron and Randy Moss are prime examples. They both had qbs that could get the ball to them too. Moss came close with Brady but we know how that ended.
If a QB target is not there, sit at #6 and pick your BPA, eg Odunze or Turner and start working on other QBs on your list.
1. Do what it takes if we can somehow get to #3 to draft Maye (or #4 if we get lucky enough and he makes it there). If not...
2. Draft JJM at 6 if he is there. If not...
3. Draft your top WR at 6 and look for a young QB with traits to draft a developmental QB later in the draft. (I'm not moving up for Penix or Nix. Those are win-with guys, not win-because-of QBs and their age is not even ideal as developmental QBs).
You seem to be glossing over Jone's past injuries and the peril that places the Giants in when he will inevitably get hurt again.
Why does a rookie QB only get one year to succeed..isn't Jones on year 6?
Jones being released in near future will be good news for many of us. Jones showing up on another NFCE team is like winning the lottery.