NFL Draft analyst Tony Pauline was interviewed on one of the DC sports talk shows this morning and said that he watched J.J. McCarthy at the combine (maybe it was his pro day) and he doesn't have enough arm strength for the NFL. He said the passes he completed into tight windows on Saturdays will be intercepted on Sundays. Presumably he's watched game tape too. Anyway.....
Just look at him. Does he fill out the uni? Look good in the pads?
The answer is clearly no. And he throws a flat intermediate/deep ball. He cannot spin it and get it up and down over coverage. Or put deep touch out side the numbers and let his guys run after it.
He will not be good in the NFL. He looks like a high school kid - same way Zach Wilson looked in his pads.
He is 21 and still growing and he's currently over 6'2" and nearly 220 lbs.
The rest, well you clearly are ignorant if you think he's like Zach Wilson in any way.
Make all your tinder jokes and mean spirited comments towards Lafferty, Daniel.
But the truth is, JJ McCarthy stinks.
that review is pretty bipolar. good on the run but not off platform, accurate but too many inaccurate passes.
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Just look at him. Does he fill out the uni? Look good in the pads?
The answer is clearly no.
Tinder has made its way to prospect analysis on this board as JJM got a “swipe left” from you. Did Peyton and Brady do it for you in their unis when they came out? Probably not as much as beefcakes like Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russel dis coming out. Sigh….they could fill out a uni.
The apocalypse truly has arrived on BBi now.
Leaf and Manning were both 6-5. Leaf weighed a hefty 268 at the combine, Manning was 230. Leaf was decidedly out of shape at the combine. For comparison, Lorenzon, the heaviest QB drafted, weighed 16 pounds more. Leaf was not beefcake. Manning meanwhile had the muscle definition you would want in a top QB pick.
I just don't see this big prize, either. But has a plus arm. And a better arm than Jones.
Better criticism, IMV, is McCarthy's release and stroke.
The only time McCarthy has a "plus" arm is when he takes a big windup.
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McCarthy's prospects more than me.
I just don't see this big prize, either. But has a plus arm. And a better arm than Jones.
Better criticism, IMV, is McCarthy's release and stroke.
The only time McCarthy has a "plus" arm is when he takes a big windup.
And Jones threw 62 mph at the combine, McCarthy threw 61.
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In comment 16446834 bw in dc said:
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McCarthy's prospects more than me.
I just don't see this big prize, either. But has a plus arm. And a better arm than Jones.
Better criticism, IMV, is McCarthy's release and stroke.
The only time McCarthy has a "plus" arm is when he takes a big windup.
And Jones threw 62 mph at the combine, McCarthy threw 61.
Jones did not throw 62 at the combine...
QB Ball Velocity at NFL Combine Since 2008 - ( New Window )
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In comment 16446834 bw in dc said:
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McCarthy's prospects more than me.
I just don't see this big prize, either. But has a plus arm. And a better arm than Jones.
Better criticism, IMV, is McCarthy's release and stroke.
The only time McCarthy has a "plus" arm is when he takes a big windup.
And Jones threw 62 mph at the combine, McCarthy threw 61.
Reading your posts, it's incredible how wrong you can be repeatedly.
Jones topped out at 54 mph at the combine. Josh Allen threw it 62 mph and Milton matched his record this year.
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In comment 16446834 bw in dc said:
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McCarthy's prospects more than me.
I just don't see this big prize, either. But has a plus arm. And a better arm than Jones.
Better criticism, IMV, is McCarthy's release and stroke.
The only time McCarthy has a "plus" arm is when he takes a big windup.
And Jones threw 62 mph at the combine, McCarthy threw 61.
Lol This is patently and verifiably false. The alltime combine record is Josh Allen with 62. Jones clocked throws were 53 and 54 mph.
Kyler Murray wasn't a top 5 pick until April. He was a designated end of the round pick until then. Haskins and Jones were pegged higher. And McCarthy declared in January and then the scouting took place. Combine, pro day, interviews, etc. Of course a lot changes through then. If he's a flop I'll admit I was wrong on the dude, but he fits the type Daboll would go for.
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In comment 16446834 bw in dc said:
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McCarthy's prospects more than me.
I just don't see this big prize, either. But has a plus arm. And a better arm than Jones.
Better criticism, IMV, is McCarthy's release and stroke.
The only time McCarthy has a "plus" arm is when he takes a big windup.
And Jones threw 62 mph at the combine, McCarthy threw 61.
Well 54 actually, but really close
As others have mentioned, 62 is the combine record and Jones was not anywhere near that number.
Make all your tinder jokes and mean spirited comments towards Lafferty, Daniel.
But the truth is, JJ McCarthy stinks.
In addition to checking out how prospects fill out a uniform you also refer to yourself in the second person now?
How can you make yourself more creepy?
I have been watching a lot of him. I think his game translates perfectly to the NFL and specifically the Giants. He has plus escapability. The kid can create even if given a running first game plan.
His play faking and ball handling are better than most in the NFL. He is great at the back shoulder throw.
This combined with his athletic ability make him deadly in the red zone. A true dual threat that can create down there.
Has all the intangibles including being coached by Harbaugh
I think JJ will make a better pro than CW.
I have my QB stack thread coming soon, and I would stop a little short of saying McCarthy has a shoulder cannon, but he definitely has a high-powered rifle. The arm is more than enough, it plays aplenty. More arm strength than Stroud and Jackson. I'd put it in the Burrow category at minimum.
I have been watching a lot of him. I think his game translates perfectly to the NFL and specifically the Giants. He has plus escapability. The kid can create even if given a running first game plan.
His play faking and ball handling are better than most in the NFL. He is great at the back shoulder throw.
This combined with his athletic ability make him deadly in the red zone. A true dual threat that can create down there.
Has all the intangibles including being coached by Harbaugh
I think JJ will make a better pro than CW.
You seriously think he could pass Williams? Not in a million years. Williams has multiple elite traits. JJM has none.
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I have been watching a lot of him. I think his game translates perfectly to the NFL and specifically the Giants. He has plus escapability. The kid can create even if given a running first game plan.
His play faking and ball handling are better than most in the NFL. He is great at the back shoulder throw.
This combined with his athletic ability make him deadly in the red zone. A true dual threat that can create down there.
Has all the intangibles including being coached by Harbaugh
I think JJ will make a better pro than CW.
You seriously think he could pass Williams? Not in a million years. Williams has multiple elite traits. JJM has none.
Just look at him. Does he fill out the uni? Look good in the pads?
The answer is clearly no. And he throws a flat intermediate/deep ball. He cannot spin it and get it up and down over coverage. Or put deep touch out side the numbers and let his guys run after it.
He will not be good in the NFL. He looks like a high school kid - same way Zach Wilson looked in his pads.
He's a clone a Patrick Mahomes physically. Height, weight, hand size, ball speed, quickness are all near identical.
Both 6'2'', 215lbs vs 219lbs, 9'' vs 9.25'', 61mph vs 62 mph. Both great 3 cone times. McCarthy had the better 40 and Mahomes had the better shuttle.
The analysis of McCarthy should be what matters.
6'2.5", 219 lbs
Patrick Mahomes
6'2" 225 lbs
I am obviously not saying JJ will be PM but lets stop with he does not have enough size to be an NFL QB. That is the least of the things to be concerned with. He has plenty of arm strength as well.
Body composition matters. Mahomes is built much thicker look at his joints. He is naturally 225. McCarthy had to go on the Eric cart man diet to weigh in that much. He is rail thin and has built himself up into a bigger guy. Hes very lean lower half as well. It’s totally different. 2 guys can be identical in weight but that isn’t indicative of body structure. DJ as well worked himself into a big guy. Naturally he’s very thin. Doesn’t bode well long term for durability. JJ also has a horrendous throwing motion and shows no touch on his passes. I wouldn’t touch him until round 2. I pray he goes ahead of us. The only guy I’d want it Maye and I’d trade up to 3 to secure him.
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Just look at him. Does he fill out the uni? Look good in the pads?
The answer is clearly no.
Tinder has made its way to prospect analysis on this board as JJM got a “swipe left” from you. Did Peyton and Brady do it for you in their unis when they came out? Probably not as much as beefcakes like Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russel dis coming out. Sigh….they could fill out a uni.
The apocalypse truly has arrived on BBi now.
Not even asking about his bubble.
This a distortion of what’s happened. McCarthy was not expected to declare. Hence, he wasn’t being mocked last fall.
Btw, there’s an emerging trend of Schoen liking younger underdeveloped players declaring early. Still surprised at how many people are sleeping on Flott, who would have been drafted in the top 2 rounds except he declared very, very early.
The fact that Shea Tierney was working with him at the Pro Day suggests the Giants are doing a deep dive on his technique. I think that’s one of the questions they are trying to answer.
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He could end 1.
I have been watching a lot of him. I think his game translates perfectly to the NFL and specifically the Giants. He has plus escapability. The kid can create even if given a running first game plan.
His play faking and ball handling are better than most in the NFL. He is great at the back shoulder throw.
This combined with his athletic ability make him deadly in the red zone. A true dual threat that can create down there.
Has all the intangibles including being coached by Harbaugh
I think JJ will make a better pro than CW.
You seriously think he could pass Williams? Not in a million years. Williams has multiple elite traits. JJM has none.
None? I suggest you learn some humility and take note of what the chatter from the scouts is indicating. And I’m not arguing that JJ isn’t a risky pick. But saying he has no elite traits is just ignorant.
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In comment 16446834 bw in dc said:
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McCarthy's prospects more than me.
I just don't see this big prize, either. But has a plus arm. And a better arm than Jones.
Better criticism, IMV, is McCarthy's release and stroke.
The only time McCarthy has a "plus" arm is when he takes a big windup.
And Jones threw 62 mph at the combine, McCarthy threw 61.
Jones did not throw 62 at the combine... QB Ball Velocity at NFL Combine Since 2008 - ( New Window )
This tracks for sure.
Just look at him. Does he fill out the uni? Look good in the pads?
I can think of another former Michigan QB who didn't fill out the uni or look good in pads, when he was drafted. Not comparing careers, but JJM is only 21 and wouldn't be crazy to think he'll eventually fill out the uni and be able to put more zip on his passes.
Harbaugh coaches fucking hard. College kids want to throw to get drafted. This kid played within the system, then he was asked to be a hero against the best.
JJ rose to the occasion. His throws in the red zone are confident and decisive. He can run in it in there and is so gifted athletically that if you come at him with a full head steam, he can embarrass. I don’t he is getting past 2. Teams are going to fall in love with him.. He is the this years riser. IMO
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the lack of film demonstrating passer skills to project him to the NFL. There's a black hole of unknown imv, which makes him a bigger risk right now.
He is a risk. The interviews and research matter x10 to me with the QB position.
Harbaugh coaches fucking hard. College kids want to throw to get drafted. This kid played within the system, then he was asked to be a hero against the best.
JJ rose to the occasion. His throws in the red zone are confident and decisive. He can run in it in there and is so gifted athletically that if you come at him with a full head steam, he can embarrass. I don’t he is getting past 2. Teams are going to fall in love with him.. He is the this years riser. IMO
The cat is out of the bag.
A hunch
I watched him fit the system and rise to the occasion. I also saw a QB surrounded by talent which can distort perception in the college level.
I watched him fit the system and rise to the occasion. I also saw a QB surrounded by talent which can distort perception in the college level.
I think JJ ends up the best pro. Of the QBs I like his leadership component the most. I need that detailed background shit that I don’t have though. I may sound confident.
Speculating, I expect I will be wrong based on the history of everyone projecting college QBs to the pros :)
If Daboll is looking for a distributor QB who will do as he's told by the scheme (i.e throw the ball to Walker when the Seattle CB covers the low route), McCarthy may be his guy.
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He could end 1.
I have been watching a lot of him. I think his game translates perfectly to the NFL and specifically the Giants. He has plus escapability. The kid can create even if given a running first game plan.
His play faking and ball handling are better than most in the NFL. He is great at the back shoulder throw.
This combined with his athletic ability make him deadly in the red zone. A true dual threat that can create down there.
Has all the intangibles including being coached by Harbaugh
I think JJ will make a better pro than CW.
You seriously think he could pass Williams? Not in a million years. Williams has multiple elite traits. JJM has none.
I don’t like CW between the ears. I think JJ will be the better rookie and have a better career. Hold me to that.
How exactly do you know what's between Caleb Williams' ears? What evidence do you have that he is anything but a thoughtful, intelligent, committed football player? If his public interviews are a factor, he demonstrates that he is an intelligent and charismatic leader. Why should we bother to listen to your opinion, you, who said Daniel Jones was a great leader and has "it". When you can admit you botched that call, we can discuss your hot takes on CW.
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He could end 1.
I have been watching a lot of him. I think his game translates perfectly to the NFL and specifically the Giants. He has plus escapability. The kid can create even if given a running first game plan.
His play faking and ball handling are better than most in the NFL. He is great at the back shoulder throw.
This combined with his athletic ability make him deadly in the red zone. A true dual threat that can create down there.
Has all the intangibles including being coached by Harbaugh
I think JJ will make a better pro than CW.
You seriously think he could pass Williams? Not in a million years. Williams has multiple elite traits. JJM has none.
None? I suggest you learn some humility and take note of what the chatter from the scouts is indicating. And I’m not arguing that JJ isn’t a risky pick. But saying he has no elite traits is just ignorant.
When comparing the traits of CW and JJM, sorry there is no debate.
When comparing the traits of CW and JJM, sorry there is no debate.
Hmm you just registered this month. You’re all up on Caleb Williams. Manhattan was just banned. Things that make you go…. “Producer”
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When comparing the traits of CW and JJM, sorry there is no debate.
Hmm you just registered this month. You’re all up on Caleb Williams. Manhattan was just banned. Things that make you go…. “Producer”
Is that meant for me? What are you talking about?
Keep it to football buddy. Continued harrassment for off topic delusions will get you reported to the mods