an astute GM. He trades Montgomery for damaged goods (Harrison Bader), claiming that Montgomery will not be effective in the post-season. Bader does absolutely nothing for the Yankees and Montgomery goes on to win a WS ring with the Rangers.
RE: And Cashman continues to pretend he knows all about being
an astute GM. He trades Montgomery for damaged goods (Harrison Bader), claiming that Montgomery will not be effective in the post-season. Bader does absolutely nothing for the Yankees and Montgomery goes on to win a WS ring with the Rangers.
Meanwhile you and your self-professed genius sit and post on a fan site where no one cares or even is moved by your whiny posts.
RE: And Cashman continues to pretend he knows all about being
an astute GM. He trades Montgomery for damaged goods (Harrison Bader), claiming that Montgomery will not be effective in the post-season. Bader does absolutely nothing for the Yankees and Montgomery goes on to win a WS ring with the Rangers.
Aren't you missing a piece here? If Monty was so good with the Cardinals, why did they trade him to the Rangers? So that's two teams that missed on him. And the Rangers didn't exactly go out of their way to sign him. Mike Maddux was his pitching coach in STL and Texas.
I wish Monty the best, but lets not pretend that he was some diamond in the rough the Yanks let go. Considering he had the same pitching coach for two different teams, you can't discount he just got hot at the right moment last year. Lets see how he does in Arizona this year.
RE: And Cashman continues to pretend he knows all about being
an astute GM. He trades Montgomery for damaged goods (Harrison Bader), claiming that Montgomery will not be effective in the post-season. Bader does absolutely nothing for the Yankees and Montgomery goes on to win a WS ring with the Rangers.
Without Bader, the Yanks don’t get past Cleveland. Not that it really mattered.
signing Stroman to 2 years 40 mil look like an overpay
Stroman has always been a better pitcher than Montgomery. It is not that Stroman was overpaid(pitchers are) it is that Monty was overrated.
That the Rangers let him go after the WS, should tell you what you need to know. Monty is a #4 in the rotation pitcher. The Cards, who always seem to identify good pitching, traded him away, also.
Monty is at best a 3 but mainly back of the rotation. He is reliable and durable - very important attributes. I would have loved him a $12-$15 mill, but honestly, if Schmidt keeps progressing as he did last season after the AS break - they have the better guy.
Montgomery was always a mediocre to decent SP for the Yankees. He’s a number 3 or 4 type. A decent pitcher that has some good games and some bad games. Not one single Yankees fan was waxing poetic at any point about Montgomery while he was on the Yankees. He was just…meh. Yet here we are again with fans acting like Montgomery is a 4 time Cy Young winner.
There a reason that not a single team in baseball was willing to give him a long term deal and he had to settle for a 1 yr deal. But why let facts get in the way?
RE: And Cashman continues to pretend he knows all about being
an astute GM. He trades Montgomery for damaged goods (Harrison Bader), claiming that Montgomery will not be effective in the post-season. Bader does absolutely nothing for the Yankees and Montgomery goes on to win a WS ring with the Rangers.
That trade was a big head scratcher. I understand why Cashman wanted to trade Monty, but for a guy who was injured at the time, a career .250 hitter, and who averages about 6 HRs per season; it didn't seem like the Yanks got a good deal.
Cashmand traded him for Bader and then released Bader and got nothing for him . How was that a good move ? Cashman is now in season 15 of complete failure . He builds teams of over price sluggers that can't win in the post season . I have no idea why he is still around .
RE: And Cashman continues to pretend he knows all about being
an astute GM. He trades Montgomery for damaged goods (Harrison Bader), claiming that Montgomery will not be effective in the post-season. Bader does absolutely nothing for the Yankees and Montgomery goes on to win a WS ring with the Rangers.
Without Bader, they dont get past Cleveland in the 2022 AL Division series.
he has been a reliable innings eater and shown up for playoff teams when it matters. i thought at minimum he'd get 3+ years like Bassitt (who was older when he got his deal).
i think this means next offseason Montgomery will have QO attached? that will not help his market. on top of being a year older. and probably not in the glow of a postseason w/ a sub-3 era.
he has been a reliable innings eater and shown up for playoff teams when it matters. i thought at minimum he'd get 3+ years like Bassitt (who was older when he got his deal).
i think this means next offseason Montgomery will have QO attached? that will not help his market. on top of being a year older. and probably not in the glow of a postseason w/ a sub-3 era.
Deal not expected to be official until Friday as to avoid the QO (that per Nick Piecoro)
RE: RE: i am surprised the league was so down on him
he has been a reliable innings eater and shown up for playoff teams when it matters. i thought at minimum he'd get 3+ years like Bassitt (who was older when he got his deal).
i think this means next offseason Montgomery will have QO attached? that will not help his market. on top of being a year older. and probably not in the glow of a postseason w/ a sub-3 era.
Deal not expected to be official until Friday as to avoid the QO (that per Nick Piecoro)
good news for mets. if he has a good year they can rebid next year. that was my biggest concern passing on him this year, not getting another "free" shot next year.
Cashmand traded him for Bader and then released Bader and got nothing for him . How was that a good move ? Cashman is now in season 15 of complete failure . He builds teams of over price sluggers that can't win in the post season . I have no idea why he is still around .
Gotta laugh at “fans” like you. A lot of Chicago fans would give their left nut to be in playoff contention annually. Winning the WS is about luck more than skill. Ask the Braves and Dodgers. The Rangers were not better than either one last year. Arguably, neither were the DBacks, but that’s who the WS teams were.
Put things in perspective, the Braves have been dominant for years- and have exactly one WS title since 1996. One.
The Dodgers have outspent everyone for well over a decade and run strong teams annually- and have ONE WS title since 1981. One.
The high spending Mets haven’t won a thing since 1969.
Cashman put together 5 WS winning teams during those times. But he sucks because they haven’t won one since 2009. Got it- just another front runner “fan”.
Oops- but the point is still made- ONE WS title in over 40 years. One.
Sure. But I’d note that you referred to them as “The high spending Mets”. But that’s only rarely been the case. Certainly they are now, but not in the past.
I only found payroll figure going back 25 years. The Mets outspent the Yankees in 2023 & 2022. The Yankees outspent the Mets the previous 23 years. And often by a huge margin, sometimes reaching double the payroll.
Money doesn’t equal success, but there’s a very high correlation.
In comment 16447251 GeofromNJ said:
[quote] an astute GM. He trades Montgomery for damaged goods (Harrison Bader), claiming that Montgomery will not be effective in the post-season. Bader does absolutely nothing for the Yankees and Montgomery goes on to win a WS ring with the Rangers. [/quote)
The trouble with Cashman at times is, instead of holding his cards close to the vest, he pipes up and says something.
Even if they felt that way back then, just shut up.
Monty has pitched better with Mike Maddox as his pitching coach, first in St. Louis and then in Texas...Is that a coincidence, maybe not? And Boras blew it with both Snell and Monty I would say, overplayed their hands, both had warts that other teams didn't want to deal in long term contracts, at least for now.
Cashmand traded him for Bader and then released Bader and got nothing for him . How was that a good move ? Cashman is now in season 15 of complete failure . He builds teams of over price sluggers that can't win in the post season . I have no idea why he is still around .
Gotta laugh at “fans” like you. A lot of Chicago fans would give their left nut to be in playoff contention annually. Winning the WS is about luck more than skill. Ask the Braves and Dodgers. The Rangers were not better than either one last year. Arguably, neither were the DBacks, but that’s who the WS teams were.
Put things in perspective, the Braves have been dominant for years- and have exactly one WS title since 1996. One.
The Dodgers have outspent everyone for well over a decade and run strong teams annually- and have ONE WS title since 1981. One.
The high spending Mets haven’t won a thing since 1969.
Cashman put together 5 WS winning teams during those times. But he sucks because they haven’t won one since 2009. Got it- just another front runner “fan”.
Come on Rich. Don’t you know that every Yankee needs to bat over 400 and every pitcher needs to have an era under 1. It is appalling that the Yankees don’t win at least 140 games every year!
Seriously though, I wonder how many of the Yankee fans that continue to complain were fans before 1996. I started being a Yankees fan at the end of Mantle’s career. I grew up in the Horace Clark Yankees.i think I look differently than most.
they never traded him.
Yankees gonna wish they had signed him as a FA.
Yankees starting pitching is a little scary right now.
Say what you want, Boras had to eat some humble pie this spring
Meanwhile you and your self-professed genius sit and post on a fan site where no one cares or even is moved by your whiny posts.
Aren't you missing a piece here? If Monty was so good with the Cardinals, why did they trade him to the Rangers? So that's two teams that missed on him. And the Rangers didn't exactly go out of their way to sign him. Mike Maddux was his pitching coach in STL and Texas.
I wish Monty the best, but lets not pretend that he was some diamond in the rough the Yanks let go. Considering he had the same pitching coach for two different teams, you can't discount he just got hot at the right moment last year. Lets see how he does in Arizona this year.
Without Bader, the Yanks don’t get past Cleveland. Not that it really mattered.
Stroman has always been a better pitcher than Montgomery. It is not that Stroman was overpaid(pitchers are) it is that Monty was overrated.
That the Rangers let him go after the WS, should tell you what you need to know. Monty is a #4 in the rotation pitcher. The Cards, who always seem to identify good pitching, traded him away, also.
Monty is at best a 3 but mainly back of the rotation. He is reliable and durable - very important attributes. I would have loved him a $12-$15 mill, but honestly, if Schmidt keeps progressing as he did last season after the AS break - they have the better guy.
There a reason that not a single team in baseball was willing to give him a long term deal and he had to settle for a 1 yr deal. But why let facts get in the way?
Without Bader, they dont get past Cleveland in the 2022 AL Division series.
i think this means next offseason Montgomery will have QO attached? that will not help his market. on top of being a year older. and probably not in the glow of a postseason w/ a sub-3 era.
i think this means next offseason Montgomery will have QO attached? that will not help his market. on top of being a year older. and probably not in the glow of a postseason w/ a sub-3 era.
Deal not expected to be official until Friday as to avoid the QO (that per Nick Piecoro)
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he has been a reliable innings eater and shown up for playoff teams when it matters. i thought at minimum he'd get 3+ years like Bassitt (who was older when he got his deal).
i think this means next offseason Montgomery will have QO attached? that will not help his market. on top of being a year older. and probably not in the glow of a postseason w/ a sub-3 era.
Deal not expected to be official until Friday as to avoid the QO (that per Nick Piecoro)
good news for mets. if he has a good year they can rebid next year. that was my biggest concern passing on him this year, not getting another "free" shot next year.
Gotta laugh at “fans” like you. A lot of Chicago fans would give their left nut to be in playoff contention annually. Winning the WS is about luck more than skill. Ask the Braves and Dodgers. The Rangers were not better than either one last year. Arguably, neither were the DBacks, but that’s who the WS teams were.
Put things in perspective, the Braves have been dominant for years- and have exactly one WS title since 1996. One.
The Dodgers have outspent everyone for well over a decade and run strong teams annually- and have ONE WS title since 1981. One.
The high spending Mets haven’t won a thing since 1969.
Cashman put together 5 WS winning teams during those times. But he sucks because they haven’t won one since 2009. Got it- just another front runner “fan”.
The high spending Mets haven’t won a thing since 1969.
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The high spending Mets haven’t won a thing since 1969.
Oops- but the point is still made- ONE WS title in over 40 years. One.
Oops- but the point is still made- ONE WS title in over 40 years. One.
Sure. But I’d note that you referred to them as “The high spending Mets”. But that’s only rarely been the case. Certainly they are now, but not in the past.
I only found payroll figure going back 25 years. The Mets outspent the Yankees in 2023 & 2022. The Yankees outspent the Mets the previous 23 years. And often by a huge margin, sometimes reaching double the payroll.
Money doesn’t equal success, but there’s a very high correlation.
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[quote] an astute GM. He trades Montgomery for damaged goods (Harrison Bader), claiming that Montgomery will not be effective in the post-season. Bader does absolutely nothing for the Yankees and Montgomery goes on to win a WS ring with the Rangers. [/quote)
The trouble with Cashman at times is, instead of holding his cards close to the vest, he pipes up and says something.
Even if they felt that way back then, just shut up.
Monty has pitched better with Mike Maddox as his pitching coach, first in St. Louis and then in Texas...Is that a coincidence, maybe not? And Boras blew it with both Snell and Monty I would say, overplayed their hands, both had warts that other teams didn't want to deal in long term contracts, at least for now.
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Cashmand traded him for Bader and then released Bader and got nothing for him . How was that a good move ? Cashman is now in season 15 of complete failure . He builds teams of over price sluggers that can't win in the post season . I have no idea why he is still around .
Gotta laugh at “fans” like you. A lot of Chicago fans would give their left nut to be in playoff contention annually. Winning the WS is about luck more than skill. Ask the Braves and Dodgers. The Rangers were not better than either one last year. Arguably, neither were the DBacks, but that’s who the WS teams were.
Put things in perspective, the Braves have been dominant for years- and have exactly one WS title since 1996. One.
The Dodgers have outspent everyone for well over a decade and run strong teams annually- and have ONE WS title since 1981. One.
The high spending Mets haven’t won a thing since 1969.
Cashman put together 5 WS winning teams during those times. But he sucks because they haven’t won one since 2009. Got it- just another front runner “fan”.
Come on Rich. Don’t you know that every Yankee needs to bat over 400 and every pitcher needs to have an era under 1. It is appalling that the Yankees don’t win at least 140 games every year!
Seriously though, I wonder how many of the Yankee fans that continue to complain were fans before 1996. I started being a Yankees fan at the end of Mantle’s career. I grew up in the Horace Clark Yankees.i think I look differently than most.