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Is this the most likely scenario now?

Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/27/2024 6:49 pm
Before the Giants pick, Williams, Maye, and Daniels gone.

At WR, Harrison and Nabers gone.

If so, this may come down to Odunze versus McCarthy.
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Toth029 : 3/27/2024 7:53 pm : link
In comment 16448145 christian said:
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The Cardinals can move to 6 with NYG and still get a blue chip WR while picking up additional premium resources.

I think this is a very likely outcome.

Giants select Maye at 4, Cardinals select Nabers at 6 (+70, + 2025 round one pick).


That's a more realistic scenario.

Arizona is opportunistic, but they don't need to move down if the drop is too severe. Falling from 4 to 11 doesn't make sense for them.
If NE stays put and selects QB - which they should  
stoneman : 3/27/2024 7:56 pm : link
then AZ and SD would have to pass up on Brian Thomas and 2 firsts - one of them will bite. We need 4 QBs to be taken.
RE: RE: We are in a good spot to just wait  
LW_Giants : 3/27/2024 7:56 pm : link
In comment 16448151 Spider56 said:
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and see what is available at 6. There will be either a qb or a very good receiver available.

Some team may want to trade up for one of the receivers and make us an offer we cannot refuse.

Schoen would not have traded the second round pick away if he was going to move up much.



I think you nailed it .. Schoen has often said you have to let the draft come to you and have a plan for the different scenarios. I don’t see him getting into a bidding war over a ‘maybe ‘ QB when there will definitely be a stud WR available.


The wide receivers are also maybes, there’s no guarantees in a draft
I think JJ goes  
MyNameIsMyName : 3/27/2024 8:08 pm : link
Top 5, and I don’t think the Chargers would go WR
RE: RE: I think Minny, Denver or LV  
jeff57 : 3/27/2024 8:13 pm : link
In comment 16448092 Eric from BBI said:
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Is going to jump in front of us for the McCarthy.
IMO it will be Nabers or Odunze.



Perhaps, but I'm not sure the Chargers pass on Nabers.


Agree. Think it’s less likely after today.
I get the feeling Schdabka are getting their QB  
BleedBlue46 : 3/27/2024 8:15 pm : link
Whether it be Maye or JJM, they are ready to pay and take a big swing imo. I don't see us being outbid for their guy this year. A big factor in this is NE and AZ will both much prefer to trade down with us vs Min, Denver or Vegas.
RE: If McCarthy is on the board when the Chargers pick,  
Rjanyg : 3/27/2024 8:16 pm : link
In comment 16448096 Go Terps said:
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the Giants should call Harbaugh and ask if he'll send Herbert for the #6 pick. At least find out how much Harbaugh really loves McCarthy.


This would be an interesting option!
CHI may want Alt  
stoneman : 3/27/2024 8:19 pm : link
If this is indeed true and 4 QBs go before us, we are looking at MHJ/Nabers when our number is called. If CHI does indeed want to jump Tenn for Alt, then we could get extra 3rd rounder from Tenn and move down to 7, and still get MHJ/Nabers. Make it so :)
Can we get to 4 with 2025 1st round pick?  
Rjanyg : 3/27/2024 8:20 pm : link
I would hate to lose our 2nd and 3rd round picks this year. It’s such a good draft.

RE: no excuse to let anyone jump us to get a QB,  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/27/2024 8:24 pm : link
In comment 16448105 Shirk130 said:
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Schoen needs to be all in on getting his guy.


Sure there is an excuse. The first three teams may draft the best QBs.
Would be pretty funny if, after all the speculation,  
j_rud : 3/27/2024 8:28 pm : link
no one traded out of the top 5. Wouldn't shock me, it just lines up well with talen and need. And it would likely be McCarthy or Maye and Odunze for us at 6.
RE: Would be pretty funny if, after all the speculation,  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/27/2024 8:34 pm : link
In comment 16448188 j_rud said:
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no one traded out of the top 5. Wouldn't shock me, it just lines up well with talen and need. And it would likely be McCarthy or Maye and Odunze for us at 6.


I was convinced that there would be a trade in front of us. Now I'm not sure those teams want to trade out of those spots.

I don't think the Bears are moving.
I don't think the Commanders are moving.
To me, the Patriots are the big unknown. They need a QB however.
The Cardinals have a bunch of picks already and need a top WR.
Would the Chargers, who also need a WR, want to pass on one of the top guys?

RE: I get the feeling Schdabka are getting their QB  
GFAN52 : 3/27/2024 8:36 pm : link
In comment 16448173 BleedBlue46 said:
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Whether it be Maye or JJM, they are ready to pay and take a big swing imo. I don't see us being outbid for their guy this year. A big factor in this is NE and AZ will both much prefer to trade down with us vs Min, Denver or Vegas.


Who is Schdabka? You post this name all the time.
If I'm the Giants  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/27/2024 8:36 pm : link
it would be extremely tough to pass on Oduzne or Nabers.
RE: If I'm the Giants  
GFAN52 : 3/27/2024 8:38 pm : link
In comment 16448193 Eric from BBI said:
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it would be extremely tough to pass on Oduzne or Nabers.


Assuming they aren't successful in a trade up to #3 for a QB.
RE: RE: If McCarthy is on the board when the Chargers pick,  
RCPhoenix : 3/27/2024 8:40 pm : link
In comment 16448112 BlueHurricane said:
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the Giants should call Harbaugh and ask if he'll send Herbert for the #6 pick. At least find out how much Harbaugh really loves McCarthy.



I've been saying this for a while. Lets see how much B.S. this dude has been spewing.


Two things can be true at the same time - that Harbaugh loves McCarthy and thinks Herbert is a better QB. He’s not trading Herbert

Having said that I’ve thought the Chargers are the most likely partner for a Giants trade.
RE: If I'm the Giants  
Chris684 : 3/27/2024 8:45 pm : link
In comment 16448193 Eric from BBI said:
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it would be extremely tough to pass on Oduzne or Nabers.


Here’s a scenario. Neither NYG or Minnesota are able to move up. The top 3 QBs plus MHjr and Nabers are off the board and you have your pick of McCarthy or Odunze but then Minnesota calls you up and offers you #11, #23 and a 2025 2nd.

Do you take the QB for yourself? The blue chip WR? Or bet that neither player helps as much as that haul will?

Having 11 and 23 puts Nix and Penix back in play and then with the additional 1st plus 47 and 70 you can really build out a nice little core for this roster.
RE: RE: If I'm the Giants  
GFAN52 : 3/27/2024 8:48 pm : link
In comment 16448203 Chris684 said:
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it would be extremely tough to pass on Oduzne or Nabers.



Here’s a scenario. Neither NYG or Minnesota are able to move up. The top 3 QBs plus MHjr and Nabers are off the board and you have your pick of McCarthy or Odunze but then Minnesota calls you up and offers you #11, #23 and a 2025 2nd.

Do you take the QB for yourself? The blue chip WR? Or bet that neither player helps as much as that haul will?

Having 11 and 23 puts Nix and Penix back in play and then with the additional 1st plus 47 and 70 you can really build out a nice little core for this roster.


They would have to throw in a 2025 1st if you're giving up a chance at a premium WR.
RE: RE: If I'm the Giants  
AcidTest : 3/27/2024 8:53 pm : link
In comment 16448203 Chris684 said:
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it would be extremely tough to pass on Oduzne or Nabers.



Here’s a scenario. Neither NYG or Minnesota are able to move up. The top 3 QBs plus MHjr and Nabers are off the board and you have your pick of McCarthy or Odunze but then Minnesota calls you up and offers you #11, #23 and a 2025 2nd.

Do you take the QB for yourself? The blue chip WR? Or bet that neither player helps as much as that haul will?

Having 11 and 23 puts Nix and Penix back in play and then with the additional 1st plus 47 and 70 you can really build out a nice little core for this roster.


Minnesota doesn't have a 2025 2nd. They traded it to Houston as part of the package to get #23. But I agree it's possible we could trade with Minnesota if JJM is available and the Giants aren't in love with him, although that seems unlikely.
RE: RE: RE: If I'm the Giants  
Chris684 : 3/27/2024 9:04 pm : link
In comment 16448212 AcidTest said:
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In comment 16448193 Eric from BBI said:


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it would be extremely tough to pass on Oduzne or Nabers.



Here’s a scenario. Neither NYG or Minnesota are able to move up. The top 3 QBs plus MHjr and Nabers are off the board and you have your pick of McCarthy or Odunze but then Minnesota calls you up and offers you #11, #23 and a 2025 2nd.

Do you take the QB for yourself? The blue chip WR? Or bet that neither player helps as much as that haul will?

Having 11 and 23 puts Nix and Penix back in play and then with the additional 1st plus 47 and 70 you can really build out a nice little core for this roster.



Minnesota doesn't have a 2025 2nd. They traded it to Houston as part of the package to get #23. But I agree it's possible we could trade with Minnesota if JJM is available and the Giants aren't in love with him, although that seems unlikely.


Ah yes, forgot about that. I’d need their 25 1st then.
I don't think we have any valid idea, including  
Bill in UT : 3/27/2024 9:12 pm : link
the possibility of trades, whether the first 5 picks will be 4 QBs and 1 WR, or 3 QBs and a WR and then a 2nd WR or OT or something else
RE: If McCarthy is on the board when the Chargers pick,  
TyreeHelmet : 3/27/2024 9:22 pm : link
In comment 16448096 Go Terps said:
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the Giants should call Harbaugh and ask if he'll send Herbert for the #6 pick. At least find out how much Harbaugh really loves McCarthy.


I'd happily give up the 6th and more in this scenario. Hopefully this call has already been made...highly doubtful he would move Herbert.
RE: RE: If I'm the Giants  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/27/2024 9:42 pm : link
In comment 16448203 Chris684 said:
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In comment 16448193 Eric from BBI said:


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it would be extremely tough to pass on Oduzne or Nabers.



Here’s a scenario. Neither NYG or Minnesota are able to move up. The top 3 QBs plus MHjr and Nabers are off the board and you have your pick of McCarthy or Odunze but then Minnesota calls you up and offers you #11, #23 and a 2025 2nd.

Do you take the QB for yourself? The blue chip WR? Or bet that neither player helps as much as that haul will?

Having 11 and 23 puts Nix and Penix back in play and then with the additional 1st plus 47 and 70 you can really build out a nice little core for this roster.


You'd have to consider it. But you'd lose Odunze.
RE: RE: I get the feeling Schdabka are getting their QB  
BleedBlue46 : 3/27/2024 9:42 pm : link
In comment 16448192 GFAN52 said:
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Whether it be Maye or JJM, they are ready to pay and take a big swing imo. I don't see us being outbid for their guy this year. A big factor in this is NE and AZ will both much prefer to trade down with us vs Min, Denver or Vegas.



Who is Schdabka? You post this name all the time.


Schoen, Daboll and Kafka haha
RE: If I'm the Giants  
UberAlias : 3/27/2024 9:49 pm : link
In comment 16448193 Eric from BBI said:
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it would be extremely tough to pass on Oduzne or Nabers.
That’s why we’re in such a good spot. We either get our QB, or get an explosive playmaker who is one of the best players in the draft.
Does Minny make us an offer that includes 11&23?  
90.Cal : 3/27/2024 9:50 pm : link
?
I would draft  
g56blue10 : 3/27/2024 9:53 pm : link
JJ at 6 if he’s there but if the giants don’t like him and the Viking are wanting to make a trade with us. That would be hard to pass up. We could geta WR, CB and DT in the first 2 rounds
In this scenario, if they don't have a stellar grade on JJ  
Mike in Prescott : 3/27/2024 10:13 pm : link
I would think that entertaining a trade with the Vikes for a ranson might be the best move. We have LOTS of needs and might pick up a tier 2 QB and tier 2 WR.
I say  
Spider43 : 3/27/2024 10:22 pm : link
We'll be picking between Odunze and... MHJ!
I agree with Bill in UT  
Milton : 3/27/2024 10:43 pm : link
There is no "most likely" scenario as far as I can tell. Caleb Williams is going #1 and Jayden Daniels is most likely going second, but after that anything can happen. I wonder what kind of odds you can get on the first six picks all being quarterbacks? Because that's actually one of the many possibilities.
How is JJ McCarthy not going either #1 or #2? He is being talked  
nygiantfan : 3/27/2024 10:53 pm : link
about on tv, radio, and BBI about 5X more than the other QBs combined. He is the consummate winner, pedigree player since junior high that has payed in a pro style offense for a former professional QB and Head Coach.

He even had the greatest pro-day any QB ever had.

Why are we not talking about the other guys more because JJ should be long gone before we pick?

RE: How is JJ McCarthy not going either #1 or #2? He is being talked  
Toth029 : 3/27/2024 11:02 pm : link
In comment 16448297 nygiantfan said:
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about on tv, radio, and BBI about 5X more than the other QBs combined. He is the consummate winner, pedigree player since junior high that has payed in a pro style offense for a former professional QB and Head Coach.

He even had the greatest pro-day any QB ever had.

Why are we not talking about the other guys more because JJ should be long gone before we pick?

Caleb is going to Chicago and he and Maye were the 1A and 1B since last April. Daniels entered the conversation back in November. He's a guy who just declared back in January and won the National title. Everybody knows who is going one. Daniels is expected to go to 2 as Kingsbury is their playcaller. Maye seems like an unusual fit as does McCarthy. So there's the Maye and McCarthy chatter to make due.
RE: Is this the most likely scenario now?  
Milton : 3/27/2024 11:09 pm : link
In comment 16448116 M.S. said:
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Welp, if it is, that would suck since I want either Malik Nabers or MHJ.
DraftKings has it...
Williams -4000 first pick
Daniels -120 second pick
Maye -105 third pick
MHJ -150 fourth pick
Nabers +225 fifth pick
...for what it's worth.
It is important to note that  
Rave7 : 3/27/2024 11:23 pm : link
this draft class is unique due to the presence of 3 highly-talented quarterbacks, 3 highly-talented wide receivers, and 1 potentially talented quarterback. Including Alt, there are a total of 8 such players. Teams such as NE, Arizona, and SD may be hesitant to trade down within the top 8 picks as they risk losing out on these valuable players.
While it is uncertain what will happen, the Giants' 6th pick may be a good option for trading down and acquiring additional assets while still being able to select a top-tier wide receiver.
Given This Is The 'Lying Season'  
Trainmaster : 3/28/2024 1:22 am : link
It's really hard to make any meaningful speculation, but of course it's fun and somewhat interesting.

Some assumptions:
1) Chicago will not trade down and take QB1 (likely Williams)
2) Washington will not trade down and take QB2 (likely Daniels)
3) Arizona is not drafting a QB
4) San Diego is not draft a QB

From the media speculation, the uncertainty likely begins with New England at 3rd overall. Seems like they have 3 major choices:

A) Pick QB3
B) Pick WR1
C) Trade down (likely means QB3 drafted here)

Then Arizona has these choices:

A) Pick WR1 if available
B) Pick WR2 if available
C) Trade down (likely means QB3 or QB4 is drafted here)

Then LA Chargers have these choices:

A) Pick WR1 if available
B) Pick WR2 if available
C) Pick WR3 if available
D) Pick OT1
E) Trade down (likely means QB3, QB4, WR1 or WR2 drafted here)

So the best case for the Giants assuming they remain at #6 (by choice or no fair trade up offer is available)

A) Pick QB3 (very unlikely, means first 5 picks are QB1, QB2, WR1, WR2 and OT1)
B) Pick QB4 (first 5 picks are QB1, QB2, QB3, WR1 and either WR2 or OT1)
C) Pick WR1 (very unlikely unless the first 5 picks are QB1, QB2, QB3, QB4 and OT1)
D) Pick WR2 (first 5 are QB1, QB2, QB3, QB4 and WR1)
E) Pick WR3 (first 5 are QB1, QB2, QB3, WR1 and WR2 AND the Giants don't think QB4 is worthwhile)
F) Trade down

So without a trade up, the Giants could end up with:

QB3 - Very Unlikely
QB4
WR1 - Unlikely
WR2
WR3
OT1

QB4, WR2 or WR3 are pretty good "consolation prizes".

Trainmaster....add 2 questions  
George from PA : 3/28/2024 4:52 am : link
1. How far are the teams willing to train down?

I will forgo QB#3.....but not WR# 3?

I will forgo WR#1....but not WR# 3 or OT #1?

In other words, trading down past 7.....might be a no go.

2. What ranking are QBs and WRs for each team?

Is Maye #2, #3, or #4?

Is JJ in top 3?

Where is Nix?

Deep WR class lessen concern on missing top 3 WR?

I assume not everyone will have same rankings.
The scenario in the OP is extremely likely  
UberAlias : 3/28/2024 5:39 am : link
And is absolutely why NYG should not trade up for JJM. You can take him if he’s there at 6, but as a guy who has never been asked to carry the offense he’s too much of a projection risk to pass on elite WR plus add picks into the gamble. Wait at 6 and see who drops.
I think the most likely situation  
ZogZerg : 3/28/2024 6:33 am : link
is that the Chargers trade back to a team that takes the 4th QB.

I think Bears, Washington, and Pats all go QB. They all need one and they are not trading back.

Arizona could trade back, but I could see them taking their top WR. If Arizona does trade back, they won't want to drop that far.

Chargers can trade with any of the QB teams and still get a top OL. That is the direction I see them going.

RE: I think the most likely situation  
Chris684 : 3/28/2024 8:37 am : link
In comment 16448337 ZogZerg said:
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is that the Chargers trade back to a team that takes the 4th QB.

I think Bears, Washington, and Pats all go QB. They all need one and they are not trading back.

Arizona could trade back, but I could see them taking their top WR. If Arizona does trade back, they won't want to drop that far.

Chargers can trade with any of the QB teams and still get a top OL. That is the direction I see them going.


I dunno, they have Herbert and cut ties with almost all their playmakers this offseason. No Allen, Williams or Ekeler. Hard for me to believe they're going to pass up the opportunity for 1 of the big 3 WR's.
RE: RE: I think the most likely situation  
BigBlueShock : 3/28/2024 8:47 am : link
In comment 16448386 Chris684 said:
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is that the Chargers trade back to a team that takes the 4th QB.

I think Bears, Washington, and Pats all go QB. They all need one and they are not trading back.

Arizona could trade back, but I could see them taking their top WR. If Arizona does trade back, they won't want to drop that far.

Chargers can trade with any of the QB teams and still get a top OL. That is the direction I see them going.




I dunno, they have Herbert and cut ties with almost all their playmakers this offseason. No Allen, Williams or Ekeler. Hard for me to believe they're going to pass up the opportunity for 1 of the big 3 WR's.

Harbaugh like to build from the inside out and the Chargers OL was an absolute dumpster fire. If he wants his franchise QB to make it through the season I can absolutely see him prioritizing OL over the WR. That team needs to get tougher and that’s Harbaughs specialty
To the op...  
Brown_Hornet : 3/28/2024 8:51 am : link
...if Rome and JJ are the options, I would suggest that sitting at 6 is a pretty sweet spot.
not so sure  
bc4life : 3/28/2024 8:57 am : link
that Cards or Chargers would not trade back. It will be a pretty good haul.
I think there is a good chance that Maye becomes QB4 remaining  
auxelectric : 3/28/2024 9:00 am : link
if the first 3 teams make their pick. There's smoke that Washington likes JJM and of course NE likes Daniels. There's also the reporting that NE isn't a big fan of Maye so I could see the first 3 picks going like either of these situtations:

Situation 1:
CHI - Williams
WAS - JJM
NE - Daniels

Situation 2:
CHI - Williams
WAS - Daniels
NE - JJM

I think there's an increasing chance Maye is the odd one out in the top 3. The more JJM is talked the more likely I think he doesn't leave the top 3. I think Situation 2 is obviously the best outcome for trading up.
RE: I think there is a good chance that Maye becomes QB4 remaining  
GFAN52 : 3/28/2024 9:05 am : link
In comment 16448418 auxelectric said:
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if the first 3 teams make their pick. There's smoke that Washington likes JJM and of course NE likes Daniels. There's also the reporting that NE isn't a big fan of Maye so I could see the first 3 picks going like either of these situtations:

Situation 1:
CHI - Williams
WAS - JJM
NE - Daniels

Situation 2:
CHI - Williams
WAS - Daniels
NE - JJM

I think there's an increasing chance Maye is the odd one out in the top 3. The more JJM is talked the more likely I think he doesn't leave the top 3. I think Situation 2 is obviously the best outcome for trading up.


I don't see JJ McCarthy going to the Commanders at 2, your option 1 Daniels or Maye is the likely outcome.
LAC want a RT, Harbaugh has been pretty clear  
Section331 : 3/28/2024 9:08 am : link
about fortifying the OL. Now, they could go OT in rd 2, but I think the more likely scenario is that they trade back. I don’t think too many teams are trading up for a WR. I think 4 of the 1st 5 picks are QB’s. The question is - will the Giants get one of them?
...  
christian : 3/28/2024 9:18 am : link
If the Giants are pursuing a trade with San Diego, I'd like them to try and pry Pipkins away as part of the deal. He'd quickly become the best RT on the Giants roster.

I'd offer 6, 70, and Neal for 5 and Pipkins.

San Diego presumably picks Alt and then they can develop Neal at swing tackle or guard.
 
ryanmkeane : 3/28/2024 10:44 am : link
I don’t think the Giants are interested in Daniels at all
RE: If I'm the Giants  
ryanmkeane : 3/28/2024 10:44 am : link
In comment 16448193 Eric from BBI said:
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it would be extremely tough to pass on Oduzne or Nabers.

Yep
Ryan- I can easily see them having the same thought  
Dave on the UWS : 3/28/2024 11:22 am : link
Their priority has to be QB, BUT if the cost is going to be too high, having these two guys pretty much guaranteed at 6 (at least one of them), influences Schoen's decision.
If a trade up can be done fairly (from the Giant's perspective), then he will do it.
But if the cost to move from 6 to 4 for example is 3 #1s, I think he tells them "go talk to Minn".
Most likely scenario now  
johnboyw : 3/29/2024 6:50 am : link
Given the way things are shaping up, I think the top 4 QBs are gone before the Giants pick. That likely leaves them to choose from Nabers and Odunze. Not a bad consolation prize either way.
As far as the Giants moving up for one of the QBs, they really don’t have the draft capital to be able to do that without giving up the farm. They still have many needs (OL, TE, RB, CB, S) to be able to give up a ton of draft capital which would likely include their 2025 1st round pick. That said, if McCarthy were to fall to #6, I think they’ll jump on him and take a WR in the second round.
What I sense could happening if they are “forced to go WR in first round” is them trading their 2024 and 2025 2nd round picks along with a solid starter to acquire another 1st rounder with in the 20-25 area and taking either Nix or Penix.
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