Miller has the Broncos jumping to #4 to take JJM by offering Arizona #12 and their first round picks in 2025 and 2026. If that happens, or if for some other reason all four QBs are gone by #6, I wonder if we try and trade down. My guess is no and we'd just take whichever of the two remaining WRs we prefer (assuming that SD takes one of the three.)
Too many teams with QB needs and even teams like the Vikings already stocking up for a trade-up. This isn't some Levis late surge like last year (betting market wise) -- there are legit insiders pushing McCarthy already and they have been for weeks.
Right now I'll say Williams, Maye, McCarthy, Daniels, MHJ go top 5. That leaves us with Nabers.
If McCarthy is on the board when the Chargers pick,
on NE and if they trade with Minny. I think Minny is coming up no matter what. If they go to NE then yes it could come down to JJM/Odunze. If NE stays and picks a QB, I think Minny comes up to AZ or LAC. Meaning it will come down to Nabers/Odunze.
Don't be surprised though if LAC moves out even if the team coming up is not looking WR. Harbaugh is going to want OL/Def/etc. I can see them moving down to 10 with the JETS and them taking a OT.
Is going to jump in front of us for the McCarthy.
IMO it will be Nabers or Odunze.
Agree with this. Minnesota has been actively accumulating draft resources, and if they don’t move up for a QB, it won’t be for lack of trying. I think if Giants want a QB they will have to outbid the Vikes.
RE: If McCarthy is on the board when the Chargers pick,
we should be able to trade up one spot with LA. That would allow the Giants their choice of McCarthy or Nabers. LA gets Alt, Odunze or Nabers if the Giants go McCarthy.
Either we get to pick one of them or it means that LA and Arizona will be less inclined to leave the top 6 and miss out on one of these guys. The last of which figures to be gone by 9 when Chicago would undoubtedly take whichever big 3 WR is remaining.
think Minnesota will offer NE, AZ, or SD #11, #23, and their #1 and #3 next year to move up. The Giants offering #47 and their #1 next year to NE might not be enough to compete with that offer, but my guess is the most Schoen would offer to AZ or SD is #47 and #70, which certainly would not be. Minnesota seems determined to outbid the Giants and offer so much that one of those three teams will accept.
they might be a hard pill to swallow for a team like NE.
Agreed. But if NE wants to trade out, which I still have my doubts, I can't see how the Minnesota picks beats the Giants at #6 plus whatever else they package. Where NE gets a shot at one of the top receivers and perhaps JJ.
they might be a hard pill to swallow for a team like NE.
No question, but Minnesota has three chances to get one of the "big four" QBs. The question is also how much would NE want from us. Would #47 and our #1 next year be enough to get to #3? I don't know. I still think NE takes a QB. Our #1 next year might be in the middle of the first round. Theirs might be as well. Even if both are in the top 10, packaging them together still might not be enough to allow them to move up to get a QB they want. They might understandably not want to take that risk by dropping down to #6.
and see what is available at 6. There will be either a qb or a very good receiver available.
Some team may want to trade up for one of the receivers and make us an offer we cannot refuse.
Schoen would not have traded the second round pick away if he was going to move up much.
I think you nailed it .. Schoen has often said you have to let the draft come to you and have a plan for the different scenarios. I don’t see him getting into a bidding war over a ‘maybe ‘ QB when there will definitely be a stud WR available.
So I think they would deal with us. It’s a good deal for them. They get JJM, MHJ, or Nabers plus our 2025 #1. They are still going to suck. But if they don’t get their QB this year they get a stud WR and have their likely high pick next year plus ours to be well positioned to draft their QB next year.
and see what is available at 6. There will be either a qb or a very good receiver available.
Some team may want to trade up for one of the receivers and make us an offer we cannot refuse.
Schoen would not have traded the second round pick away if he was going to move up much.
I think you nailed it .. Schoen has often said you have to let the draft come to you and have a plan for the different scenarios. I don’t see him getting into a bidding war over a ‘maybe ‘ QB when there will definitely be a stud WR available.
The wide receivers are also maybes, there’s no guarantees in a draft
Whether it be Maye or JJM, they are ready to pay and take a big swing imo. I don't see us being outbid for their guy this year. A big factor in this is NE and AZ will both much prefer to trade down with us vs Min, Denver or Vegas.
RE: If McCarthy is on the board when the Chargers pick,
If this is indeed true and 4 QBs go before us, we are looking at MHJ/Nabers when our number is called. If CHI does indeed want to jump Tenn for Alt, then we could get extra 3rd rounder from Tenn and move down to 7, and still get MHJ/Nabers. Make it so :)
no one traded out of the top 5. Wouldn't shock me, it just lines up well with talen and need. And it would likely be McCarthy or Maye and Odunze for us at 6.
RE: Would be pretty funny if, after all the speculation,
no one traded out of the top 5. Wouldn't shock me, it just lines up well with talen and need. And it would likely be McCarthy or Maye and Odunze for us at 6.
I was convinced that there would be a trade in front of us. Now I'm not sure those teams want to trade out of those spots.
I don't think the Bears are moving.
I don't think the Commanders are moving.
To me, the Patriots are the big unknown. They need a QB however.
The Cardinals have a bunch of picks already and need a top WR.
Would the Chargers, who also need a WR, want to pass on one of the top guys?
RE: I get the feeling Schdabka are getting their QB
Whether it be Maye or JJM, they are ready to pay and take a big swing imo. I don't see us being outbid for their guy this year. A big factor in this is NE and AZ will both much prefer to trade down with us vs Min, Denver or Vegas.
it would be extremely tough to pass on Oduzne or Nabers.
Here’s a scenario. Neither NYG or Minnesota are able to move up. The top 3 QBs plus MHjr and Nabers are off the board and you have your pick of McCarthy or Odunze but then Minnesota calls you up and offers you #11, #23 and a 2025 2nd.
Do you take the QB for yourself? The blue chip WR? Or bet that neither player helps as much as that haul will?
Having 11 and 23 puts Nix and Penix back in play and then with the additional 1st plus 47 and 70 you can really build out a nice little core for this roster.
it would be extremely tough to pass on Oduzne or Nabers.
Here’s a scenario. Neither NYG or Minnesota are able to move up. The top 3 QBs plus MHjr and Nabers are off the board and you have your pick of McCarthy or Odunze but then Minnesota calls you up and offers you #11, #23 and a 2025 2nd.
Do you take the QB for yourself? The blue chip WR? Or bet that neither player helps as much as that haul will?
Having 11 and 23 puts Nix and Penix back in play and then with the additional 1st plus 47 and 70 you can really build out a nice little core for this roster.
They would have to throw in a 2025 1st if you're giving up a chance at a premium WR.
IMO it will be Nabers or Odunze.
IMO it will be Nabers or Odunze.
Perhaps, but I'm not sure the Chargers pass on Nabers.
Right now I'll say Williams, Maye, McCarthy, Daniels, MHJ go top 5. That leaves us with Nabers.
Don't be surprised though if LAC moves out even if the team coming up is not looking WR. Harbaugh is going to want OL/Def/etc. I can see them moving down to 10 with the JETS and them taking a OT.
IMO it will be Nabers or Odunze.
Agree with this. Minnesota has been actively accumulating draft resources, and if they don’t move up for a QB, it won’t be for lack of trying. I think if Giants want a QB they will have to outbid the Vikes.
I would love this, although the money would have to work somehow and not much time to make that happen.
I've been saying this for a while. Lets see how much B.S. this dude has been spewing.
Some team may want to trade up for one of the receivers and make us an offer we cannot refuse.
Schoen would not have traded the second round pick away if he was going to move up much.
IMO it will be Nabers or Odunze.
Then it's Minnesota. I don't see Harbs giving the Raiders or Broncos their pick.
+1
Agreed. But if NE wants to trade out, which I still have my doubts, I can't see how the Minnesota picks beats the Giants at #6 plus whatever else they package. Where NE gets a shot at one of the top receivers and perhaps JJ.
I will take that gut as long as the cost isn't less than our 1st next year and doesn't include Thibs or Hyatt.
I think this is a very likely outcome.
Giants select Maye at 4, Cardinals select Nabers at 6 (+70, + 2025 round one pick).
No question, but Minnesota has three chances to get one of the "big four" QBs. The question is also how much would NE want from us. Would #47 and our #1 next year be enough to get to #3? I don't know. I still think NE takes a QB. Our #1 next year might be in the middle of the first round. Theirs might be as well. Even if both are in the top 10, packaging them together still might not be enough to allow them to move up to get a QB they want. They might understandably not want to take that risk by dropping down to #6.
Some team may want to trade up for one of the receivers and make us an offer we cannot refuse.
Schoen would not have traded the second round pick away if he was going to move up much.
I think you nailed it .. Schoen has often said you have to let the draft come to you and have a plan for the different scenarios. I don’t see him getting into a bidding war over a ‘maybe ‘ QB when there will definitely be a stud WR available.
I think this is a very likely outcome.
Giants select Maye at 4, Cardinals select Nabers at 6 (+70, + 2025 round one pick).
That's a more realistic scenario.
Arizona is opportunistic, but they don't need to move down if the drop is too severe. Falling from 4 to 11 doesn't make sense for them.
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and see what is available at 6. There will be either a qb or a very good receiver available.
Some team may want to trade up for one of the receivers and make us an offer we cannot refuse.
Schoen would not have traded the second round pick away if he was going to move up much.
I think you nailed it .. Schoen has often said you have to let the draft come to you and have a plan for the different scenarios. I don’t see him getting into a bidding war over a ‘maybe ‘ QB when there will definitely be a stud WR available.
The wide receivers are also maybes, there’s no guarantees in a draft
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Is going to jump in front of us for the McCarthy.
IMO it will be Nabers or Odunze.
Perhaps, but I'm not sure the Chargers pass on Nabers.
Agree. Think it’s less likely after today.
This would be an interesting option!
Sure there is an excuse. The first three teams may draft the best QBs.
I was convinced that there would be a trade in front of us. Now I'm not sure those teams want to trade out of those spots.
I don't think the Bears are moving.
I don't think the Commanders are moving.
To me, the Patriots are the big unknown. They need a QB however.
The Cardinals have a bunch of picks already and need a top WR.
Would the Chargers, who also need a WR, want to pass on one of the top guys?
Who is Schdabka? You post this name all the time.
Assuming they aren't successful in a trade up to #3 for a QB.
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the Giants should call Harbaugh and ask if he'll send Herbert for the #6 pick. At least find out how much Harbaugh really loves McCarthy.
I've been saying this for a while. Lets see how much B.S. this dude has been spewing.
Two things can be true at the same time - that Harbaugh loves McCarthy and thinks Herbert is a better QB. He’s not trading Herbert
Having said that I’ve thought the Chargers are the most likely partner for a Giants trade.
Here’s a scenario. Neither NYG or Minnesota are able to move up. The top 3 QBs plus MHjr and Nabers are off the board and you have your pick of McCarthy or Odunze but then Minnesota calls you up and offers you #11, #23 and a 2025 2nd.
Do you take the QB for yourself? The blue chip WR? Or bet that neither player helps as much as that haul will?
Having 11 and 23 puts Nix and Penix back in play and then with the additional 1st plus 47 and 70 you can really build out a nice little core for this roster.
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it would be extremely tough to pass on Oduzne or Nabers.
Here’s a scenario. Neither NYG or Minnesota are able to move up. The top 3 QBs plus MHjr and Nabers are off the board and you have your pick of McCarthy or Odunze but then Minnesota calls you up and offers you #11, #23 and a 2025 2nd.
Do you take the QB for yourself? The blue chip WR? Or bet that neither player helps as much as that haul will?
Having 11 and 23 puts Nix and Penix back in play and then with the additional 1st plus 47 and 70 you can really build out a nice little core for this roster.
They would have to throw in a 2025 1st if you're giving up a chance at a premium WR.