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Mara on why Saquon wasn’t traded at the deadline

FranknWeezer : 3/28/2024 10:26 am
Eric from BBI, grab some Pepsid before you read this…

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‘I hate trading guys right at the trade deadline because it almost signals that you are giving up on the season. Saquon, I was still hoping to be able to sign, so I don't regret that. It's unfortunate we weren't able to do it, but from his standpoint at least we allowed him to pick where he wanted to go, and I think we owed him that to tell you the truth rather than just trading him somewhere maybe he wouldn't want to go.’

Mara: “We owed it to him” - ( New Window )
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/28/2024 10:28 am : link
Translation: I wanted asses in the seats and medium Pepsis to be sold.
FFS...  
Capt. Don : 3/28/2024 10:28 am : link
"If you want to be popular, sell ice cream."
Some fans and maybe even some players eat this up  
Matt M. : 3/28/2024 10:28 am : link
as a sign of the Giants being "classy". But, it is also a sign of how backwards the Giants organization has been in it's thinking, evaluating, and handling personnel decisions.
Ummm  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/28/2024 10:29 am : link
the season WAS OVER by the trading deadline (Halloween).

So if that is their reasoning, the team is still being guided by morons.
Until we know what was offered,  
barens : 3/28/2024 10:29 am : link
it's tough to cast blame.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/28/2024 10:29 am : link
Also, how about doing right for the team instead of doing right for Saquon? The way John fawns over this guy you’d think he’s destined to be in the Giants ROH, which he might be considering John’s delusional love for certain guys.
Wasn't there a massive thread on this already?  
sb from NYT Forum : 3/28/2024 10:29 am : link
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RE: Wasn't there a massive thread on this already?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/28/2024 10:30 am : link
In comment 16448540 sb from NYT Forum said:
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Not with that quote.
This is the quote that I posted in that other thread.  
j_rud : 3/28/2024 10:31 am : link
It's absurd. 50 million dollars and endorsements in the NY market and you feel like you owe the guy? Loser mentality begets losing.
These quotes have been published...  
bw in dc : 3/28/2024 10:32 am : link
and discussed earlier this week.

Basically, one can conclude this:

Mara is okay with losing as long as he does it with class and the player feels good and wins.

The new mission statement at 1925 Giants Way should now read:

We Lose with Class.

As said in the other thread, Mara feels like he owes Saquon...  
sb from NYT Forum : 3/28/2024 10:32 am : link
...and Saquon returns that loyalty by signing with the most hated rival. Nice.
RE: Ummm  
US1 Giants : 3/28/2024 10:34 am : link
In comment 16448537 Eric from BBI said:
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the season WAS OVER by the trading deadline (Halloween).

So if that is their reasoning, the team is still being guided by morons.


I think he means that it would be time for the players to quit playing hard.
RE: Ummm  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/28/2024 10:35 am : link
In comment 16448537 Eric from BBI said:
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the season WAS OVER by the trading deadline (Halloween).

So if that is their reasoning, the team is still being guided by morons.


Pretty sad how far we’ve fallen as an organization.
That is all reasonable  
gpat1031 : 3/28/2024 10:36 am : link
I'm one of those that wished it worked out. It didn't and that's how it goes sometimes in this league. Yeah I do think there are some teams that have owners and GMs that exercise some class. The Bears did Fields a solid in sending him to a preferred team, so it happens.
This reeks of John  
Dave on the UWS : 3/28/2024 10:37 am : link
interfering (again) with what his GM may have wanted to do.
Will he ever learn that he DOESN'T KNOW JACK ABOUT RUNNING A FOOTBALL TEAM. JFC
RE: That is all reasonable  
FranknWeezer : 3/28/2024 10:39 am : link
In comment 16448563 gpat1031 said:
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I'm one of those that wished it worked out. It didn't and that's how it goes sometimes in this league. Yeah I do think there are some teams that have owners and GMs that exercise some class. The Bears did Fields a solid in sending him to a preferred team, so it happens.


Class is great and all, but look where that kind of thinking has gotten the Giants and the Bears in the last 10 years.
I always assumed we wouldn't get much for him  
mfjmfj : 3/28/2024 10:41 am : link
but given the contract he got from the Eagles maybe they were offered something. If they could have gotten a decent third or better, then keeping him is mind boggling.
read the entire quote  
bc4life : 3/28/2024 10:41 am : link
"was hoping they'd be able to sign him" still may have been a bad idea but to just say - "He owed it to him" as the reason is selective analysis.
RE: Some fans and maybe even some players eat this up  
Gruber : 3/28/2024 10:42 am : link
In comment 16448533 Matt M. said:
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as a sign of the Giants being "classy". But, it is also a sign of how backwards the Giants organization has been in it's thinking, evaluating, and handling personnel decisions.


The question is did Mara effectively prevent Joe Schoen from exploring a trade option? Schoen is not backwards in any regard, despite a portion of BBI wishing to push a clueless/rudderless narrative.
RE: Ummm  
GiantTuff1 : 3/28/2024 10:43 am : link
In comment 16448537 Eric from BBI said:
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the season WAS OVER by the trading deadline (Halloween).

So if that is their reasoning, the team is still being guided by morons.

May I have another bowl of soup please, Mr. Mara, while I laugh at all the crackers I stole from you on my way to the green penthouse down 95.
RE: Ummm  
ThomasG : 3/28/2024 10:43 am : link
In comment 16448537 Eric from BBI said:
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the season WAS OVER by the trading deadline (Halloween).

So if that is their reasoning, the team is still being guided by morons.


Record at the trade deadline:

NFC East
Philadelphia Eagles (7-1)
Dallas Cowboys (5-2)
Washington Commanders (3-5)
New York Giants (2-6)
Sounds to me like  
Shecky : 3/28/2024 10:43 am : link
They may have presented a trade proposal to him, he didn’t want to go there perhaps.
He wanted it to work with the Giants still, and clearly the Giants still wished it worked with him.
It is what it is at this point.
There's something to be said for Jeffrey Lurie  
j_rud : 3/28/2024 10:44 am : link
finding a young wife, a green energy project, and staying away from the actual football.
And the reason I say the above is  
Shecky : 3/28/2024 10:44 am : link
Didn’t they trade Leo? What was different in that situation?
RE: read the entire quote  
FranknWeezer : 3/28/2024 10:45 am : link
In comment 16448578 bc4life said:
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"was hoping they'd be able to sign him" still may have been a bad idea but to just say - "He owed it to him" as the reason is selective analysis.


Hey, I get to pick the headlines… It’s my thread. Just like the NY Post. Ha.
You guys can argue about the merits of long-term  
Chris684 : 3/28/2024 10:45 am : link
sustainability and its a fair point.

However, you can’t deny the fact that with 7 playoff teams, crappy teams will get in a lot now. Even down our top 2 quarterbacks, the team as it was nearly played itself playoff contention, so while I get why it upsets people, he does have a point.

We could have been 2-15 last year, but we also could have been 9-8 and a playoff team, even with Taylor and DeVito.

My bigger issue is the franchise not realizing that the relationship with Barkley was fractured which is now obvious in hindsight. Mara has also made way too much of Barkley as a “legacy” guy which he’s not.
RE: This is the quote that I posted in that other thread.  
GiantTuff1 : 3/28/2024 10:46 am : link
In comment 16448545 j_rud said:
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It's absurd. 50 million dollars and endorsements in the NY market and you feel like you owe the guy? Loser mentality begets losing.

Complete loser mentality is right.

You don't do business on "hope". "We hoped to sign him". Idiotic. If Saquon didn't sign THAT IS HIS LOSS. The Mara's are the product version of a fiduciary and are obligated to build the team that is best for the future for all involved in the team, and its fans. Trading Saquon could have helped accomplish that. Not trading him is the equivalent of Mara putting Saquon's interests above the team. It makes me fucking sick. Mara is failing on every level imaginable.
I hear him loud and clear  
Thegratefulhead : 3/28/2024 10:48 am : link
He is still in charge.

Fuck you if you don’t like it.

I do business a certain way, I wanted to keep Barkley but understand we could not and support his separation from the team and that was decided last year. He gets to leave on kinder terms because that is the way I do business.

It was VERY clear.
2023 Unforced Errors  
ThomasG : 3/28/2024 10:49 am : link
#1 Giving Jones that ridiculous contract
#2 No proper contingency plans at Guard or Right Tackle
#3 Not trading Saquon at trade deadline
DJ tore his ACL the week after the deadline...  
The Dude : 3/28/2024 10:49 am : link
If the deadline was one week later i bet even Saquon & John Mara wouldve changed their tune.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/28/2024 10:49 am : link
I will never understand Mara’s love for guys like Saquon and Jones who have accomplished little to no team success. It is so odd to me. This isn’t Eli or Tuck we’re talking about here.

Very strange.
RE: And the reason I say the above is  
j_rud : 3/28/2024 10:50 am : link
In comment 16448588 Shecky said:
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Didn’t they trade Leo? What was different in that situation?


The difference, quite obviously, is his emotional attachment to the player.
So why did they trade Leonard Williams?  
Mike from Ohio : 3/28/2024 10:51 am : link
Let's not pretend they don't want to trade guys at the deadline. They don't want to trade guys they really like at the deadline.

This is Mara letting his personal affection for a player get in the way of doing what is best for the team. He wants to win, but he would rather lose surrounded by guys he likes.

The Giants are a family business and will always be run like a family business. That is true whether it helps or hurts the team.
RE: I hear him loud and clear  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/28/2024 10:51 am : link
In comment 16448599 Thegratefulhead said:
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He is still in charge.

Fuck you if you don’t like it.

I do business a certain way, I wanted to keep Barkley but understand we could not and support his separation from the team and that was decided last year. He gets to leave on kinder terms because that is the way I do business.

It was VERY clear.


This.
RE: I hear him loud and clear  
j_rud : 3/28/2024 10:53 am : link
In comment 16448599 Thegratefulhead said:
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He is still in charge.

Fuck you if you don’t like it.

I do business a certain way, I wanted to keep Barkley but understand we could not and support his separation from the team and that was decided last year. He gets to leave on kinder terms because that is the way I do business.

It was VERY clear.


Nothing line a rich prick being confidently wrong.
RE: I hear him loud and clear  
M.S. : 3/28/2024 10:54 am : link
In comment 16448599 Thegratefulhead said:
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He is still in charge.

Fuck you if you don’t like it.

I do business a certain way, I wanted to keep Barkley but understand we could not and support his separation from the team and that was decided last year. He gets to leave on kinder terms because that is the way I do business.

It was VERY clear.

That is exactly how John Mara does business. He is a very decent man which unfortunately does not necessarily equate with winning football.
RE: …  
Lambuth_Special : 3/28/2024 10:56 am : link
In comment 16448603 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I will never understand Mara’s love for guys like Saquon and Jones who have accomplished little to no team success. It is so odd to me. This isn’t Eli or Tuck we’re talking about here.

Very strange.


My theory on this was that the Eli era was started by his father, so Jones and Barkley are the first players who are truly "his" guys and foundation, so he was very reluctant to part ways and explains why there was over-exuberance to the 2022 season.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/28/2024 10:56 am : link
I can’t wait to hear the Mara quotes when the Jones era eventually comes to an end. I hope John has the inner strength not to lose it/not need a box of Kleenex.
RE: You guys can argue about the merits of long-term  
rsjem1979 : 3/28/2024 10:57 am : link
In comment 16448593 Chris684 said:
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sustainability and its a fair point.

However, you can’t deny the fact that with 7 playoff teams, crappy teams will get in a lot now. Even down our top 2 quarterbacks, the team as it was nearly played itself playoff contention, so while I get why it upsets people, he does have a point.

We could have been 2-15 last year, but we also could have been 9-8 and a playoff team, even with Taylor and DeVito.

My bigger issue is the franchise not realizing that the relationship with Barkley was fractured which is now obvious in hindsight. Mara has also made way too much of Barkley as a “legacy” guy which he’s not.


You don't have to pretend to be a contender just because it's "not impossible" that you could sneak into the playoffs.

That's where an honest evaluation is required instead of delusion and wishful thinking.
Lambuth.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/28/2024 10:58 am : link
If that’s the case, we’re fucked.
John Mara's Headstone  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 3/28/2024 10:59 am : link
Loving and loyal father, grandfather, and CEO.

Sentimentally presided over the worst decade of NY Giants Football.
Just STFU John  
Chef : 3/28/2024 10:59 am : link
embarassing...
It’s his team  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/28/2024 10:59 am : link
And he has a personal relationship with the player, who has been the face of his franchise for 6 years. We don’t need to complain about every aspect of how the team is run. The important is that Barkley is not here anymore which is what Giants fans wanted, and Saquon got paid. Both sides got what they wanted.
What makes him insufferable is the "It's Joe and Brian's call" BS  
widmerseyebrow : 3/28/2024 11:00 am : link
No it's not.

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I hate trading guys right at the trade deadline because it almost signals that you are giving up on the season. Saquon, I was still hoping to be able to sign, so I don't regret that. It's unfortunate we weren't able to do it, but from his standpoint at least we allowed him to pick where he wanted to go, and I think we owed him that to tell you the truth rather than just trading him somewhere maybe he wouldn't want to go.’


Should be crystal clear now who wanted to extend Jones.
Mara never fails to disappoint  
RCPhoenix : 3/28/2024 11:01 am : link
Whenever he talks to the press.

And for those who say 'well, he should talk to the press', I don't seem to recall any quotes from Tisch about the team. And he is the co-owner.
we  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/28/2024 11:01 am : link
had better pray this decision was imposed by Mara, but it would be worse if the GM felt this way. It's understandable why Daboll would want Barkley still playing last year, but the GM is supposed to have a longer term vision.

We're now beyond just what compensation might have received. The Giants could have dictated where Saquon played (like Beckham).
RE: So why did they trade Leonard Williams?  
Thegratefulhead : 3/28/2024 11:01 am : link
In comment 16448608 Mike from Ohio said:
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Let's not pretend they don't want to trade guys at the deadline. They don't want to trade guys they really like at the deadline.

This is Mara letting his personal affection for a player get in the way of doing what is best for the team. He wants to win, but he would rather lose surrounded by guys he likes.

The Giants are a family business and will always be run like a family business. That is true whether it helps or hurts the team.
They let LW go because someone traded a second round pick for him.

I don’t think anyone was giving us a 2 for Barkley. LW was making BANK and while I love the availability I am not sure his production matches his salary.
It’s surprising  
Fast Eddie : 3/28/2024 11:02 am : link
to me that this site is teaming with fans who absolutely hate the way Mara runs his team and yet they still continue to be fans of the team. News flash - its never gonna change, live with it or find another team
Loyalty is great when  
Shecky : 3/28/2024 11:03 am : link
You are loyal to the right guys
But disaster when you don’t know who to be loyal to
That’s his biggest problem
RE: It’s his team  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/28/2024 11:03 am : link
In comment 16448624 JoeyBigBlue said:
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And he has a personal relationship with the player, who has been the face of his franchise for 6 years. We don’t need to complain about every aspect of how the team is run. The important is that Barkley is not here anymore which is what Giants fans wanted, and Saquon got paid. Both sides got what they wanted.


Except now the Giants are HOPING for a comp pick rather than ensuring they did get a draft pick. Moreover, he is playing with the Eagles instead of some other team.

Perhaps while Saquon is scoring his third TD against the Giants at MetLife while spiking the ball in the endzone, it will finally dawn on Mara he made a mistake.
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