If we landed Odunze and Trade up for Penix. Penix has his medical concerns, but I have absolutely no doubt he will be a good pro. Even if his career is cut short, I could still live with 4 or 5 years of good play.
Penix is clear QB4 for me. Much cleaner thrower of the football than McCarthy, and much quicker release. Don’t confuse McCarthy’s young age with “upside”
The travel, one person can't be everywhere all the time. As long as the Giants have someone there that is whats important, it shows they are interested.
But with how this league values QBs, tell me how Penix lasts from 13 (right after Denver likely takes Nix at 12) all the way to 47, without us having to trade up.
First clear sign to me that they won't necessarily throw their hands up and concede if they miss out on the top 4, or if the price is too high to trade up.
My guess is Penix goes somewhere in the teens/twenties
Despite the injury concerns, the guy can throw the ball. I see some suggesting he will be there in the second round but I would be really surprised if that happens.
Is a game that makes you go wow, reminded me of Strouds game vs Georgia. Eye opening.
Seriously? The Stroud game was basically against an NFL defense. Not even close in my opinion. Go look at his national championship game. Extremely underwhelming and exactly what I think he'll be in the NFL. Mediocre at best.
The travel, one person can't be everywhere all the time. As long as the Giants have someone there that is whats important, it shows they are interested.
Per Jordan Raanan.. Schoen is there as well.. It sounds like they will private workout with Maye.
One of the toughest players to peg due to injuries. Could go in the teens, could go in the 3rd round or later. Will be very interesting to see where he winds up. I have a feeling he will put his injury history behind him and have a great NFL career like Frank Gore did after sliding in the draft due to injury history. I would take him at 47 if he slid and we took WR in rd1.
but I don't see them moving on from Jones, using injuries as a big part of that reason apparently, and then going to Penix who's had 2 ACL tears on the same knee along with the shoulder injuries.
I believe it's JJM or Maye.
RE: RE: My guess is Daboll and Schoen are splitting up
The travel, one person can't be everywhere all the time. As long as the Giants have someone there that is whats important, it shows they are interested.
Per Jordan Raanan.. Schoen is there as well.. It sounds like they will private workout with Maye.
If schoen and Daboll aren't there then they obviously aren't interested ;)
Because he doesn't run much, there's been this misconception that Penix is immobile, like a Bernie Kosar type. Couldn't be further from the truth. He's very athletic and adept at avoiding pressure - he just isn't a guy who will pull it down and take off very much.
that Penix gets past Seattle at 16. He can spin that ball as good as anybody. Penix lower rating than the top four is due to his durability concerns. If we draft him he immediately is our best QB.
choice for this team.. But sure, get a guy with injury concerns and no mobility skills that fit our offense.
See what I mean about the incorrect perception of immobility? This is just flat-out incorrect. He's been very difficult to pressure his entire career. Not just at Washington with elite skill players around him, but at Indiana as well.
One thing no one is saying though: Penix isn't a good thrower.
I think he is clearly the best thrower in this class, and he becomes one of the best throwers in the NFL the day he is drafted. And for those who only like to look back in Giants history, this is the guy that's most like Simms and Eli.
but I don't see them moving on from Jones, using injuries as a big part of that reason apparently, and then going to Penix who's had 2 ACL tears on the same knee along with the shoulder injuries.
I believe it's JJM or Maye.
I agree. I think they are going to get Maye or McCarthy.
The travel, one person can't be everywhere all the time. As long as the Giants have someone there that is whats important, it shows they are interested.
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Giants contingent in Washington includes GM Joe Schoen (right), director of player personnel Tim McDonnell (left) and coach Brian Daboll (not pictured).
Washington QB Michael Penix Jr. expected to throw at Thursday’s Pro Day.
player. Fantastic arm strength and accuracy, rarely gets sacked, excellent deep ball, and apparently reads defenses very well. The injuries are concerning, especially since we'd essentially be replacing one injury-riddled QB with another if we drafted him. I originally didn't want to draft him until day three for that reason, but would now be OK with the Giants taking in the middle of the first after a trade down. His talent is that good IMO.
Funny I was going to post today have the Giants scheduled
late teens to around 20.
A package which would include next year's #1, could conceivably, get them within range.
That would get them a blue chip receiver, and their new QB.
are doing their due diligence for sure. They saw a lot of UNC games and it sounds like a private workout for Maye will be happening in the coming weeks so I wouldn't put much stock in missing UNC for Washington. They probably want to see more of Penix in person.
What this does do though it show the NFL that they are considering a wide array of QBs and will hide their desire for their favorite (still believe that's Maye).
That would be a homerun. Imagine Penix going vertical with Nabers, Hyatt, and Slayton. Instantly get some major strengths on offense and see if we can fix his limitations.
I'm honestly waiting to hear a precise argument against Penix
I think he has the potential (evil word in sports) to be the best QB of the bunch. But, he also could easily flame out from injury or lack of experience under any kind of pressure.
But, a combo or Odunze/Nabers and Penix is interesting.
One thing no one is saying though: Penix isn't a good thrower.
I think he is clearly the best thrower in this class, and he becomes one of the best throwers in the NFL the day he is drafted. And for those who only like to look back in Giants history, this is the guy that's most like Simms and Eli.
Penix can sling the ball, but he is older, he has injuries, while he ran a 4.58 he doesn't show that on the field, and the main reason I don't like the fit... He is left handed. That just doesn't fit our bad OL and RT issues. On a team like the 49ers or Miami I think he would be great.
One thing no one is saying though: Penix isn't a good thrower.
I think he is clearly the best thrower in this class, and he becomes one of the best throwers in the NFL the day he is drafted. And for those who only like to look back in Giants history, this is the guy that's most like Simms and Eli.
I want Odunze and Penix. Any of WR1 are fine with me though. If Penix doesn’t hit, draft another 1. Get the Bluechip player at 6 though, if it is a QB, yay!!! If not Penix can spin it. Giant hands.
But with how this league values QBs, tell me how Penix lasts from 13 (right after Denver likely takes Nix at 12) all the way to 47, without us having to trade up.
Despite the injury concerns, the guy can throw the ball. I see some suggesting he will be there in the second round but I would be really surprised if that happens.
I would sign up for that right now.
Seriously? The Stroud game was basically against an NFL defense. Not even close in my opinion. Go look at his national championship game. Extremely underwhelming and exactly what I think he'll be in the NFL. Mediocre at best.
holy crap that is way faster than I was expecting
This is my dream scenario
Per Jordan Raanan.. Schoen is there as well.. It sounds like they will private workout with Maye.
I thought the same thing.
They are taking a QB somewhere in the first 47 picks.
One of the toughest players to peg due to injuries. Could go in the teens, could go in the 3rd round or later. Will be very interesting to see where he winds up. I have a feeling he will put his injury history behind him and have a great NFL career like Frank Gore did after sliding in the draft due to injury history. I would take him at 47 if he slid and we took WR in rd1.
I believe it's JJM or Maye.
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The travel, one person can't be everywhere all the time. As long as the Giants have someone there that is whats important, it shows they are interested.
Per Jordan Raanan.. Schoen is there as well.. It sounds like they will private workout with Maye.
If schoen and Daboll aren't there then they obviously aren't interested ;)
Because he doesn't run much, there's been this misconception that Penix is immobile, like a Bernie Kosar type. Couldn't be further from the truth. He's very athletic and adept at avoiding pressure - he just isn't a guy who will pull it down and take off very much.
See what I mean about the incorrect perception of immobility? This is just flat-out incorrect. He's been very difficult to pressure his entire career. Not just at Washington with elite skill players around him, but at Indiana as well.
I think he is clearly the best thrower in this class, and he becomes one of the best throwers in the NFL the day he is drafted. And for those who only like to look back in Giants history, this is the guy that's most like Simms and Eli.
Really no commitment to Jones beyond opener and only if he is ready.
Before the last game, Lock will be the starter and BBI will decide the Giants don’t need Jones or a rookie QB.
I believe it's JJM or Maye.
I agree. I think they are going to get Maye or McCarthy.
We just have to come out of this draft with a succession plan at QB.
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Giants contingent in Washington includes GM Joe Schoen (right), director of player personnel Tim McDonnell (left) and coach Brian Daboll (not pictured).
Washington QB Michael Penix Jr. expected to throw at Thursday’s Pro Day.
I wish!
A package which would include next year's #1, could conceivably, get them within range.
That would get them a blue chip receiver, and their new QB.
What this does do though it show the NFL that they are considering a wide array of QBs and will hide their desire for their favorite (still believe that's Maye).
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Joe Schoen also part of the #Giants contingent, as well as OC Mike Kafka
But, a combo or Odunze/Nabers and Penix is interesting.
I think he is clearly the best thrower in this class, and he becomes one of the best throwers in the NFL the day he is drafted. And for those who only like to look back in Giants history, this is the guy that's most like Simms and Eli.
Penix can sling the ball, but he is older, he has injuries, while he ran a 4.58 he doesn't show that on the field, and the main reason I don't like the fit... He is left handed. That just doesn't fit our bad OL and RT issues. On a team like the 49ers or Miami I think he would be great.
I think he is clearly the best thrower in this class, and he becomes one of the best throwers in the NFL the day he is drafted. And for those who only like to look back in Giants history, this is the guy that's most like Simms and Eli.
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