Stapleton: NYG setting up private visit with Penix

now this is getting really interesting.

have suggested Penix at #6. With the Broncos (and others) lurking, could we see five QBs go early?

I’d take him at 6.

In comment 16449560 Eric from BBI said:

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have suggested Penix at #6. With the Broncos (and others) lurking, could we see five QBs go early?

I think this is a very real possibility.

They aren't researching Penix for 47 imo.

"Daniel Jones is our starter."

LOL

In comment 16449557 Eric from BBI said:

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now this is getting really interesting.

Yes, it is.

There’s absolutely no way he would make it to 47 from 13. No way in hell.

He has been great the past two years, BUT does a Lefty really fit this team? I just can't picture it. However, if we get a Nabers and then trade back up for Penix now that is a chance I am willing to take.

In comment 16449580 Amtoft said:

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He has been great the past two years, BUT does a Lefty really fit this team? I just can't picture it. However, if we get a Nabers and then trade back up for Penix now that is a chance I am willing to take.

It's looking unlikely he will get past the middle of the first round. He may go higher.

In comment 16449569 Eric from BBI said:

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"Daniel Jones is our starter." LOL

Well we haven't drafted a QB yet... So yes he is the starter. What are they supposed to say DJ is our starter unless we can draft a QB. Plus I do think DJ starts the year and then the rookie comes in like game 2-6.

think after his workout today, he's going top 15. I don't think he would make it past the Raiders.

His injury history is a real concern, but his last ACL tear was in 2020. His last injury of any kind was in 2021. OBJ tore the same ACL twice and he came back and played, and he is a WR. I'd much rather take Penix after a small trade down than trade up for any of the "big four' QBs.

In comment 16449581 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 16449580 Amtoft said: Quote: He has been great the past two years, BUT does a Lefty really fit this team? I just can't picture it. However, if we get a Nabers and then trade back up for Penix now that is a chance I am willing to take. It's looking unlikely he will get past the middle of the first round. He may go higher.

A lot will depend on NE. If NE trades out with Minny and we go WR... by pick 11 there might only be 3 of the big 6 gone.

I get it, but c'mon, everyone knows what they were lying (for multiple reasons).

On a tangent, it figures the Giants are in a draft, needing a QB, and we may see a all-time historical run on quarterbacks. SMH

In comment 16449560 Eric from BBI said:

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have suggested Penix at #6. With the Broncos (and others) lurking, could we see five QBs go early?

And if he’s not there, take Bo Nix at 6. Because you have to take a QB. Doesn’t matter who.

if one of Nabers or Odunze or perhaps MHjr is there.

- Daniel Jones throwing to Nabers, Hyatt, and Slayton, then hoping to be in position to draft Milroe or Ewers in 2025

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- Penix throwing to Legette/Polk/Mcconkey, Hyatt, and Slayton and not feeling desperate at QB entering the 2025 offseason

I think what Penix's workout solidifies is that he's healthy, and there's no need to trade up to exit round 1 with a top QB prospect.

Penix did the Giants a huge favor today, if they're willing to see it.

In comment 16449585 Eric from BBI said:

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I get it, but c'mon, everyone knows what they were lying (for multiple reasons). On a tangent, it figures the Giants are in a draft, needing a QB, and we may see a all-time historical run on quarterbacks. SMH

Agreed... How often is picks 1 and 2 not even up for sale much less 3 and maybe 4 if AZ stays to pick MHj. It is crazy. To bad Chicago didn't love Justin Fields.

In comment 16449591 Amtoft said:

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In comment 16449585 Eric from BBI said: Quote: I get it, but c'mon, everyone knows what they were lying (for multiple reasons). On a tangent, it figures the Giants are in a draft, needing a QB, and we may see a all-time historical run on quarterbacks. SMH Agreed... How often is picks 1 and 2 not even up for sale much less 3 and maybe 4 if AZ stays to pick MHj. It is crazy. To bad Chicago didn't love Justin Fields.

Too bad about those late wins over the Commanders and Patriots.

In comment 16449590 Go Terps said:

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- Daniel Jones throwing to Nabers, Hyatt, and Slayton, then hoping to be in position to draft Milroe or Ewers in 2025 or - Penix throwing to Legette/Polk/Mcconkey, Hyatt, and Slayton and not feeling desperate at QB entering the 2025 offseason I think what Penix's workout solidifies is that he's healthy, and there's no need to trade up to exit round 1 with a top QB prospect. Penix did the Giants a huge favor today, if they're willing to see it.

Agreed.

If you're drafting a first round QB, you are drafting him to be a multi year starter. It doesn't matter where in the first that QB is drafted, it's either going to work or not.

I think the Giants are drafting a QB at 6, it's just a matter of which one. In the Penix pro day thread I mentioned drafting Penix at 47, that's a complete pipe dream.

The question becomes:

Would you rather have Nabers/Odunze & Penix at the cost of a 2025 first round pick OR Penix and a 2nd round WR while owning the 2025 first round pick?

would be pretty cool if the Giants drafted Penix and he ended up being the best QB in the draft. Stranger things have happened.

decide if he's work competing with the Vikings for assuming a trade up is required.

The question was always about his health. If today is enough to make people feel confident in his health, he's every bit the player the other QBs in this class are.

In comment 16449564 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I’d take him at 6.

After today's peformance. If you don't take him at 6 he'll go between 10-15.

But when I watch Michael Penix, I see good decision making and quick processing. I also hear everyone talk about what a great arm he has. There is an elevated injury risk, but is that greater than the failure risk of a Maye/McCarthy/Nix? I would be very happy rolling the dice with Michael Penix, and they are all a roll of the dice.

JS is setting up contingency plans, but he's definitely taking a QB depending on who's available

If we could get Penix and Legette? I’d be over the moon.

Pipedream of getting Odunze/Nabers and Penix but that would rule

Dude has an awesome NFL ready arm. Sign me up at 6 or 47. I want in.

But the injury history is scary. I think he could be the best out of the gate among this group of qb prospects, question is will his body hold up. I’m glad I’m not the one making that determination

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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
When you look at where the other teams on his visit list are picking, it’s hard to imagine Penix getting past the middle of the first round

In comment 16449617 Darwinian said:

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They won't be able to trade up from #47 to the top #15.

In comment 16449564 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I’d take him at 6.

Me too but I think we have liked him for a while. Sure he may bust or be injured. But until you have a QB you have nothing. He has major upside I am willing to gamble on .

Brady Henderson
@BradyHenderson
News story from the University of Washington’s pro day, where Michael Penix Jr. may have checked off an important box with a strong 40 time. He said he has visits lined up with the Falcons, Raiders, Giants, Steelers and Broncos.

Or maybe even at 6. I've been saying i have a feeling he's going to be a franchise QB and have a healthy career similar to how Frank Gore slid due to injury history and ended up having a great, healthy career.

Trading down with the Vikings or Bears to get an extra pick and nab Pennix is possible

In comment 16449617 Darwinian said:

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Nope. It's Penix at 6. That's what they're looking at.

To say that they’re scared of Jones injury history to decide to take a player at 6 with an injury history with 2 torn ACLs and 2 shoulder injuries. Without Odunze/ Polk, he would have had 10+ more INT last year. I would be pissed if they took him at 47.

In comment 16449619 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 16449617 Darwinian said: Quote: . They won't be able to trade up from #47 to the top #15.

This is the big difference between 2019 and 2024. Imagine also having #17 this year

In comment 16449619 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 16449617 Darwinian said: Quote: . They won't be able to trade up from #47 to the top #15.

They could feasibly, but it would be tough, cost a lot and most importantly we'd have to find a team willing to trade down for 47 and a bunch of future draft capital.

If a team was willing we could trade pick 47 and a future 1st and 3rd or to get up there. It's not unheard of. Think of the Vikings trading pick 43 or so and future 2nd for pick 23 and that was an overpay. Pick 47 and a future 1st and 2nd or 3rd could get them up there I think.

They could potentially get Odunze or Nabers and Pennix for around the cost of trading up to 3 for Drake Maye in other words. The most challenging part would be finding a team willing to do it though.

In comment 16449624 UGADawgs7 said:

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To say that they’re scared of Jones injury history to decide to take a player at 6 with an injury history with 2 torn ACLs and 2 shoulder injuries. Without Odunze/ Polk, he would have had 10+ more INT last year. I would be pissed if they took him at 47.

IF and that's a big IF they take him at 6 and he ends up with another ACL injury on that right knee, that will effectively sink Schoen and Daboll's careers.

Their asses are on the line with any of the QBs.

They’re seemingly in a perfect spot to take him at 11.

McCarthy at 6 opens up then.

So many different possibilities.

I think the Vikings are going to trade ahead of the Giants. But if the QB is there who they want at #6 and the Giants like Penix better, then trading down is a possibility. Then the Giants could trade back up. Other teams have done this.

But that crazy scenario depends on the the Vikings not having a partner before the Giants and the Giants liking Penix more.

In comment 16449631 GFAN52 said:

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In comment 16449624 UGADawgs7 said: Quote: To say that they’re scared of Jones injury history to decide to take a player at 6 with an injury history with 2 torn ACLs and 2 shoulder injuries. Without Odunze/ Polk, he would have had 10+ more INT last year. I would be pissed if they took him at 47. IF and that's a big IF they take him at 6 and he ends up with another ACL injury on that right knee, that will effectively sink Schoen and Daboll's careers.

That's the risk for Schoen and Daboll. I don't know if they want to take that chance.

The rebuild just added some years.

I rather a WR and a CB in the first two round and play drew lock. Guy is by far the worst QB if the top 6 when it comes to pressure and he’s the least mobile. His 40 time is irrelevant due to the fact he doesn’t move outside the pocket.

In comment 16449635 Eric from BBI said:

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Their asses are on the line with any of the QBs.

Always true with such an important position, but the injury history he's had is real. How does that compare to other QBs is the risk they are taking.

If Penix didn't have the injury history, he may be going ahead of other QBs.

Every pick in this draft is a risk. The types of risks vary.

Penix's chief risk comes from his health history.

Regardless, if Schoen and Daboll pick the wrong QB, they are toast. We all know it.

But that's the position they are in... and I've talked about this for some time.

know what other risk Schoen or Daboll face?

Relying on Daniel Jones and/or Drew Lock to save them.