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| Art Stapleton @art_stapleton I'm told #NYGiants plan to bring Washington QB Michael Penix Jr. in for 30 visit after having contingent led by Joe Schoen + Brian Daboll at UW Pro Day today, per sources. QBs J.J. McCarthy + Drake Maye have already been to East Rutherford. #drafthomework |
Relying on Daniel Jones and/or Drew Lock to save them.
This is probably the biggest risk
I'd prefer some kind of a trade down to get some more assets, but it may not be feasible. I've been saying since the season: there's just too many damn teams in need of a QB this year.
But that crazy scenario depends on the the Vikings not having a partner before the Giants and the Giants liking Penix more.
Yeah the odds of a team being willing to drop from the teens to 47 for future picks is very low. The Vikimgs trade down would net Pennix imo though, or the Broncos for that matter. I would prefer JJM at 6, but if the trade was really juicy I might bite and go with Pennix and extra picks.
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have suggested Penix at #6. With the Broncos (and others) lurking, could we see five QBs go early?
And if he’s not there, take Bo Nix at 6. Because you have to take a QB. Doesn’t matter who.
The fact that you think all of these QBs suck is YOUR problem. Keep whining though. It’s not like anyone takes you seriously anyways.
Every time you post your thoughts, we are all worse off for having had to read them
LOL
Couldn't Schoen and Daboll have complete confidence in DJ's ability as a QB but almost NO confidence in his health? I'm a DJ fan, but don't think he'll be ready for the opener, and I think there's a good chance a knee or neck problem could end his career after only a few more unfortunate hits.
How many QBs go before six? The Vikings are going to offer at least two #1s in this draft to move up. Can/should the Giants compete with that for McCarthy?
How big a gap is there between Penix and McCarthy?
Can the Giants trade down, pick up an extra pick, and draft Penix?
A lot of moving parts here.
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"Daniel Jones is our starter."
LOL
Couldn't Schoen and Daboll have complete confidence in DJ's ability as a QB but almost NO confidence in his health? I'm a DJ fan, but don't think he'll be ready for the opener, and I think there's a good chance a knee or neck problem could end his career after only a few more unfortunate hits.
Doesn't matter what the reason is. It is what it is.
Where Schoen will make his money, in my opinion, is threading the needle on not only getting the right guy, but getting him as efficiently as possible.
Is it trading up for Maye? Staying put for McCarthy? Trading down for Penix? There are pros and cons to each.
That would be another over-draft mistake.
Where Schoen will make his money, in my opinion, is threading the needle on not only getting the right guy, but getting him as efficiently as possible.
Is it trading up for Maye? Staying put for McCarthy? Trading down for Penix? There are pros and cons to each.
I don't view trading down for a QB as a viable option, I think it's either trade up for QB or take QB at 6.
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have suggested Penix at #6. With the Broncos (and others) lurking, could we see five QBs go early?
That would be another over-draft mistake.
Stating this as fact, huh?
For Alt obviously.
Dear god NO!!!
How big a gap is there between Penix and McCarthy?
That is an interesting question.
McCarthy moves better laterally and horizontally. Much more of a dual threat.
I would give the nod to McCarthy in throwing off-platform.
I would give the edge to Penix in arm talent. McCarthy isn't far behind, but I think he has to change his stroke.
It's close as to who manages the pocket better. I'll give an edge to Penix.
I don't really find much about McCarthy's game dynamic. Penix has a dynamic arm, but he's probably more one-dimensional.
In other words, it's close. But I don't see either as a lottery QB. Taking either at #6 would look like a force in my eyes...
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have suggested Penix at #6. With the Broncos (and others) lurking, could we see five QBs go early?
That would be another over-draft mistake.
I don't see how Penix is an overdraft but Maye and McCarthy aren't.
100%.
But I believe you should want to invest a lottery pick in a prospect who is dynamic.
Stating this as fact, huh?
No. My opinion.
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In comment 16449560 Eric from BBI said:
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have suggested Penix at #6. With the Broncos (and others) lurking, could we see five QBs go early?
That would be another over-draft mistake.
I don't see how Penix is an overdraft but Maye and McCarthy aren't.
You aren't accounting for his injury history at all?
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In comment 16449560 Eric from BBI said:
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have suggested Penix at #6. With the Broncos (and others) lurking, could we see five QBs go early?
That would be another over-draft mistake.
I don't see how Penix is an overdraft but Maye and McCarthy aren't.
Agree on McCarthy. 100%.
Maye's got a lot of plus tools. I get the criticism for 2023. But I think it's a mistake to not include 2022. He was pretty awesome in 2022.
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what if the Jets want to trade in front of the Titans?
For Alt obviously.
It's risky. You better be sure you aren't going to get jumped by Minnesota/Denver or any other possible QB needy team.
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In comment 16449560 Eric from BBI said:
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have suggested Penix at #6. With the Broncos (and others) lurking, could we see five QBs go early?
That would be another over-draft mistake.
I don't see how Penix is an overdraft but Maye and McCarthy aren't.
You aren't accounting for his injury history at all?
I'm accounting for him looking pretty healthy today and passing his medicals at the combine, as well as playing the position in a way that's going to expose him to less contact than the other prospects in this class.
My opinion is that he's the best passer in this class. I think that's great for the Giants because if we're talking about a five QB class that greatly changes their approach in a positive way.
If the top of the board is 4 QB's (Williams, Daniels, Maye, and JJ). That means MHjr or Nabers are on the board at 6. There has to be a team hungry enough for us to move down and acquire some really good draft capital.
Otherwise...you pick the WR and then do whatever it takes to trade back up to try and secure Penix in the mid of the 1st round (if that means trading a future 1 + 47 so be it).
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In comment 16449672 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16449560 Eric from BBI said:
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have suggested Penix at #6. With the Broncos (and others) lurking, could we see five QBs go early?
That would be another over-draft mistake.
I don't see how Penix is an overdraft but Maye and McCarthy aren't.
You aren't accounting for his injury history at all?
I'm accounting for him looking pretty healthy today and passing his medicals at the combine, as well as playing the position in a way that's going to expose him to less contact than the other prospects in this class.
My opinion is that he's the best passer in this class. I think that's great for the Giants because if we're talking about a five QB class that greatly changes their approach in a positive way.
"as well as playing the position in a way that's going to expose him to less contact than the other prospects in this class."
How so? Penix is also older than the other QB prospects.
I'm no doctor - I can only say the guy I saw work out today looked healthy to me. And he definitely looked like a better quarterback than the other guy that worked out today.
He's been injury free for 2 years now. If he checks out with the medical staff then he is good to go.
Watch highlights from 2019 at Indiana and the compare to him at Washington
He used to drive forward on his front foot ans turn through.
He doesnt anymore, he almost looks to be leaning back and throwing all arm.
He does not anticipate well and he is late on throws but makes up for it with arm strength.
That will cost him in the NFL. Arm talent is there but will get him into trouble.
I stand by my opinion he is at best Jameis Winston. throwing for 5,000 yards with 30 picks.
You can not pass on 1 of the WRs to take him. I wouldnt even take him at 47.
I'm no doctor - I can only say the guy I saw work out today looked healthy to me. And he definitely looked like a better quarterback than the other guy that worked out today.
There is no doubt he is probably the better QB TODAY then Maye and probably even McCarthy. But those guys are 21 years old and he's going to be 24 come draft time. That is a significant age gap in terms of development.
Who will be the better more healthy QB in 2-3 years is really what the team needs to evaluate.
I am not sold on the line being fixed.
Neal is a bust. JMS really needs to pick up his game. Other than AT we dont have another stud o lineman. At best the line will be average.
At a minimum, both could easily be categorized as killing-two-birds-with-one-stone-trips. Seeing some of the best WR and QB prospects in the country.
This is pretty much where I'm at too. I think it's the Giants trying to mess with other teams' draft boards. I don't believe Penix is actually in consideration at six, but what I do know.
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"Daniel Jones is our starter."
LOL
Couldn't Schoen and Daboll have complete confidence in DJ's ability as a QB but almost NO confidence in his health?
Based on what I've seen from DJ over the last 5 years, my guess is an emphatic NO, they can't have complete confidence in DJ's ability as a QB.
It's irrelevant that he's a lefty with Neal at RT. You are drafting Penix for what he would be in the future not for what he would be just for next year. Obviously, the hope is to improve the right side of the line.
Schoen AND Daboll aren't going to UW pro day just for subterfuge. They don't have time for that with the draft so close
So you think he is worth a 1st round pick, but not 6? If you spend a first round pick, aren’t you suggesting he is a franchise QB? At what pick is it ok to take your franchise QB?
Some fans seem more worried about getting value in the draft than getting good players.
I think this says more about who they think will be available at 6. Sounds like a fallback. WR at 6, QB later
I think the Giants are drafting a QB at 6, it's just a matter of which one. In the Penix pro day thread I mentioned drafting Penix at 47, that's a complete pipe dream.
The question becomes:
Would you rather have Nabers/Odunze & Penix at the cost of a 2025 first round pick OR Penix and a 2nd round WR while owning the 2025 first round pick?
This
Relying on Daniel Jones and/or Drew Lock to save them.
That's what people don't get. We could have a starting 3 of Jerry Rice, Michael Irvin, and Calvin Johnson in their primes and would be lucky to be average.
And BBI will complain about the overdraft..
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I get it, but c'mon, everyone knows what they were lying (for multiple reasons).
On a tangent, it figures the Giants are in a draft, needing a QB, and we may see a all-time historical run on quarterbacks. SMH
Agreed... How often is picks 1 and 2 not even up for sale much less 3 and maybe 4 if AZ stays to pick MHj. It is crazy. To bad Chicago didn't love Justin Fields.
Too bad about those late wins over the Commanders and Patriots.
Would you expect the Wink stuff to stay quiet with a two win team?
There are consequences to losing.