I’m not picking a horse in this QB race and my head spins with every thread that debates the +/- of each. But let’s say they want Penix; 6 is too high for him and they also need to get a top WR from this class. They have little to offer in players to trade (maybe Azeez and Neal have some value) and we don’t want to touch next years’ first.
Is there any plausible scenario where they can land both Penix and a really good WR?
Ok … so then who’s left in the WR pool at 47?
But to the OP's question...I think you have to be willing to use that next year #1.
You can't have both.
Aside from that, the Giants are not competing for the division this year. At best, they will be a .500 team.
So your options are this:
(1) Take the top WR at #6 and try to get the QB next year.
(2) Get the QB this year, possibly by trading away next year's #1, and get another WR when you can.
You can't have both.
Aside from that, the Giants are not competing for the division this year. At best, they will be a .500 team.
So your options are this:
(1) Take the top WR at #6 and try to get the QB next year.
(2) Get the QB this year, possibly by trading away next year's #1, and get another WR when you can.
Eric, I don’t envy the position you and the mods will be in around the Draft. The needs far exceed the number of picks and we need high end guys so you can’t do everything this year. Inevitably people are going to crazy when we don’t.
The Giants should take one of the "big four" QBs at #6 if possible or perhaps with a small trade up to #5, take their favorite WR at #6, or trade down, in that order.
And it's also looking like a record breaker for QB draft.
To play your game.....figure away the Viking traded down with the Giants.
Crazy....I just hope Daboll and Schoen know what they are doing with regard to the QBs!
You can't have both.
Aside from that, the Giants are not competing for the division this year. At best, they will be a .500 team.
So your options are this:
(1) Take the top WR at #6 and try to get the QB next year.
(2) Get the QB this year, possibly by trading away next year's #1, and get another WR when you can.
I think I'm starting to land in the camp of a derivative of (a). Take the WR and then figure out QB later either via FA of future draft. Giants are not competitive in 2024 and sadly not likely in 2025 (at a high level). Elite WR salaries are getting upwards of $30M AAV and so there is nearly as much benefit to saving $ there via draft pick as there is at QB.
Basically I have a whole lot more conviction of Nabers/Odunze/MHJ being very good than I do any of the QBs being above average at the NFL level. I like JJM though for hard so define reasons...
The Giants should take one of the "big four" QBs at #6 if possible or perhaps with a small trade up to #5, take their favorite WR at #6, or trade down, in that order.
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I'd trade down ONLY if it came with a 2025 1st.
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for their two #1s
This!
No thanks.
Giants would need much more than those two picks if they dropped 5 spots to 11.
There is a real chance Williams, Daniels, Maye, and JJM go in the first five picks. To get one the Giants might have to offer a lot of draft capital to move up, especially since Minnesota seems more than willing to do that to get into the top five.
Assuming Williams, Daniels, Maye, and JJM do go in the top five, the Giants would then either have to overdraft Nix or Penix at #6, or trade down and risk losing both.
If they do the latter and miss out on both, then they would be left with having to draft someone like Rattler or Pratt on day two or just punting the whole QB decision to next year.
Welcome to QB hell.
And it's also looking like a record breaker for QB draft.
To play your game.....figure away the Viking traded down with the Giants.
Crazy....I just hope Daboll and Schoen know what they are doing with regard to the QBs!
"Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time"
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Instead of drafting BPA which could be one of three WR at the top of this draft who could be special (I’d venture to guess as close to sure things as possible) we’re potentially forcing a QB pick with Penix who has a history of injuries and mechanics that need cleaning up?
Welcome to QB hell.
That is exactly where we are, hopefully an exit ramp is upcoming.
/3rd round prospects after the season ended.
As to the OP...we can take WR at #6,then trade up during the draft to take Penix late first or early 2nd...for me that wouldn't be much of a reach.
This team can't compete because they don't have at least an average NFL QB. At some point you have to address that. I am not suggesting you pick one just to pick one, but if there is one you like at #6, why get cute and try to move a few spots to get him and risk losing him?
/3rd round prospects after the season ended.
As to the OP...we can take WR at #6,then trade up during the draft to take Penix late first or early 2nd...for me that wouldn't be much of a reach.
The only reason Penix was considered a post round 1 prospect was his medicals - not his talent(IMV). He is as talented throwing the ball as anyone. He is not the scrambler or runner as the others, so that dimension knocks him down a peg in some eyes.
I am clearly no scout nor do I pretend to know the ins and outs of QB play, but I do believe he would be a clear high first rounder if not for the surgeries/injuries and if he had the running element to his game.
/3rd round prospects after the season ended.
As to the OP...we can take WR at #6,then trade up during the draft to take Penix late first or early 2nd...for me that wouldn't be much of a reach.
Season ended and JJ was still a Wolverine.
Scouts and then teams (HC and GMs) do deep dives once the player is officially in the draft and the draft boards gradually materialize. JJ didn't rise, coaches and GMs just may like him much more than the media and some fans do. More common than you think. Fyi: Kyler Murray wasn't a top 10 pick, much less #1 overall, until March in 2019.
Eric, you should name Option #3 as the "Nobody's going to be happy" option. ;)
Take WR at 6, and make your move for the late QBs if you must. I will be pissed if they give away their 2025 1st for whoever. It will obviously be for the 3rd or 4th QB.
NYG could then trade with AZ to 4, securing either JJM or DM.
This would probably be the least expensive way to get your QB and hopefully keeping pick 47.
Give the pick 70 to LAC ( maybe pick up their 5th round ) and give AZ next years 2nd round pick.
You keep 47 this year and keep next years 1st.
Get your QB and have a shot at a very good WR at 47.
You can't have both.
Aside from that, the Giants are not competing for the division this year. At best, they will be a .500 team.
So your options are this:
(1) Take the top WR at #6 and try to get the QB next year.
(2) Get the QB this year, possibly by trading away next year's #1, and get another WR when you can.
Guilty as charged … I am hoping someone smarter than me … as I know Schoen and Dabs are, will find a scenario that works. Similar to last year where most were happy with the first 3 picks.
because they just need good players (regardless of position) to fill a bottom-tier NFL roster. So, there shouldn't be a whole lotta angst about this draft. The following are all good outcomes:
(1) Stay at #6 and draft a QB that Joe Schoen / Brian Daboll like.
(2) Stay at #6 and draft a fantastic WR.
(3) Trade down and pick up valuable assets that could be used on at least half a dozen positions.
It's all good.
QB at 6 (or earlier) and WR in rd2+
This team can't compete because they don't have at least an average NFL QB. At some point you have to address that. I am not suggesting you pick one just to pick one, but if there is one you like at #6, why get cute and try to move a few spots to get him and risk losing him?
I fall into this category of liking Penix but wouldn't take him #6.
Why? One dimensional. While he can certainly sling it - a plus arm for sure - he's not a dual threat. And I believe if you are drafting a QB in the lottery, that QB should be that dual threat to fit into today's game.
So, I knock Penix for that and see him more as a good day two value pick.
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but think #6 is too high...what is the right place to get him? Should the Giants trade back to #11 and hope he is still there? What is Plan B if he isn't there?
This team can't compete because they don't have at least an average NFL QB. At some point you have to address that. I am not suggesting you pick one just to pick one, but if there is one you like at #6, why get cute and try to move a few spots to get him and risk losing him?
I fall into this category of liking Penix but wouldn't take him #6.
Why? One dimensional. While he can certainly sling it - a plus arm for sure - he's not a dual threat. And I believe if you are drafting a QB in the lottery, that QB should be that dual threat to fit into today's game.
So, I knock Penix for that and see him more as a good day two value pick.
I agree with this and the injury history really worries me greatly.
I could see Tenn, Minny, Denver, Vegas, Pitt, Miami, Seattle all potentially getting him in the first.
QBs like him that can sling it like he does and is a proven winner don't grow on trees.
Its the hardest decision any front office has to make.
Take Penix for example. Watching his pro day, he looked pretty damn nimble and clearly his knee, at the moment, is in darn good shape to run a sub 4.5 forty!
His medicals are the ONLY thing that has kept him out of the top 10 discussion.
If you're Schoen, what do you do? For starters, get an up close and personal look at EACH of these guys, including Penix (they are), then decide how to play it best for NY.
You still have next year's #1 in your pocket to put together different type packages.
1. use it to move to 3,4, or 5 for likely Maye or JJ
2. use it to move BACK into the first rd around pick 9 or 10
to take Penix (after taking a WR at 6).
If JS is aggressive enough AND flexible enough, we are NOT in QB hell. It can be resolved in less than 4 weeks.
NYG could then trade with AZ to 4, securing either JJM or DM.
This would probably be the least expensive way to get your QB and hopefully keeping pick 47.
Give the pick 70 to LAC ( maybe pick up their 5th round ) and give AZ next years 2nd round pick.
You keep 47 this year and keep next years 1st.
Get your QB and have a shot at a very good WR at 47.
And if you are stuck at #5 and the QBs go anyway?
No way in hell I do this now.
You can't have both.
Aside from that, the Giants are not competing for the division this year. At best, they will be a .500 team.
So your options are this:
(1) Take the top WR at #6 and try to get the QB next year.
(2) Get the QB this year, possibly by trading away next year's #1, and get another WR when you can.
I'd go with option 1...
If this happens he does this, etc. His biggest strength I think we've seen, is to be VERY prepared for all eventualities. It will be absolutely necessary in this draft.
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but think #6 is too high...what is the right place to get him? Should the Giants trade back to #11 and hope he is still there? What is Plan B if he isn't there?
This team can't compete because they don't have at least an average NFL QB. At some point you have to address that. I am not suggesting you pick one just to pick one, but if there is one you like at #6, why get cute and try to move a few spots to get him and risk losing him?
I fall into this category of liking Penix but wouldn't take him #6.
Why? One dimensional. While he can certainly sling it - a plus arm for sure - he's not a dual threat. And I believe if you are drafting a QB in the lottery, that QB should be that dual threat to fit into today's game.
So, I knock Penix for that and see him more as a good day two value pick.
Yeah it would be great to take Penix on Day 2, except he won't be there. QB is the most important and most difficult position in the league to fill. We all see how a team can be crippled when you don't have a good one.
Ideally I would love for the Giants to get an MHJ/Nabers/Odunze at #6 and then Penix later, but later probably means no later than #15. I don't think that is feasible. I think if you want to wait until Day 2 on a QB, you are in the position of getting a developmental prospect even later in the draft (Rattler, Pratt, Milton) and hoping you aren't looking for a guy at the top of the draft again in a couple of years.
I don't think the Giants can afford to get cute about where they take the QB. If you believe in a guy, get him at #6. If you don't, wait until the 3rd or 4th round and get a lottery ticket and hope for the best.
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LAC would still get one of MHJ or Nabers, Odunze if they want.
NYG could then trade with AZ to 4, securing either JJM or DM.
This would probably be the least expensive way to get your QB and hopefully keeping pick 47.
Give the pick 70 to LAC ( maybe pick up their 5th round ) and give AZ next years 2nd round pick.
You keep 47 this year and keep next years 1st.
Get your QB and have a shot at a very good WR at 47.
And if you are stuck at #5 and the QBs go anyway?
No way in hell I do this now.
I agree,that is a draft day call...
keep the lines of communication open...then if someone is still there at 5 you pull the trigger
If this happens he does this, etc. His biggest strength I think we've seen, is to be VERY prepared for all eventualities. It will be absolutely necessary in this draft.
This.
The calls have already been made.
What's going to happen is the Pats, Cardinals, Chargers are all going to make teams sweat it out and attempt to drive up the offer while the clock is ticking.