"if the Giants don't draft a QB, that came from ownership."
He also talked about Robert Kraft and with his age he might be pushing for a new QB even if his GM has other ideas to improve the team. Lots of moving parts as to what and where the Giants can go for a QB, and what will be available where.
it's amazing how differently they feel about Maye. It seems like more people are with Bugler, and I appreciate the fact Simms is willing to stick with his position even though he seems to be in the minority,
Again, the Giants are drafting 6th. If they can’t trade up and take a receiver at 6 it means their favorite QB targets have already been drafted.
Already killing Mara for this is a joke.
You are mainly correct.
However, if a QB is there at #6....
my god can you imagine the meltdown if it's drake maye?
but in all seriousness think about what that would mean. if schoen and daboll are aligned they want to pick their next josh allen and mara stops it (with a full room of people and cameras rolling like every top 10 pick) after publicly declaring it's their choice they may as well pack up their offices and fire themselves.
schoen's mentor parcells would resign before the next team got their pick in.
If there is a team willing to trade down, then they have the best asset to trade up by far. The 6th pick. BBI constantly talks about the value of the receivers. The Big 2 of Harrison, Nabers, and Odunze.
We know that only 3 of the teams ahead of us want a QB. If there are 4 QBs it is the Giants choice. If these receivers are so valuable why would 2 teams that have worse receiving corps than ours want to trade out of that pick when they could go to 6 and get Nabers or Harrison.
The “experts” constantly are saying how the Giants should badly want a receiver for Jones. How about a receiver for Herbert..or a receiver for Murray. Those teams actually have viable QBs…and they would want to trade out, but the Giants should take the receiver?
It all doesn’t’ make a ton of sense.
Now if the Giants are unwilling to trade that is a different story, However, that will be their choice as they have the best asset. (Of note, Minnesota has no 2nd round pick this year or next, it isn’t like they are loaded with assets).
it's amazing how differently they feel about Maye. It seems like more people are with Bugler, and I appreciate the fact Simms is willing to stick with his position even though he seems to be in the minority,
Tim Hasselbeck, who has broadcast a ton of ACC games for ESPN the last decade (and who obviously played in the NFL), calls Maye the best QB prospect he's seen in the last 10+ years.
Daniels visits them next Monday and Drake Maye next Tuesday/Wednesday for their 30 visits. Daniels is the current favorite with the odds makers but it's changed back and forth over the last month.
The still shot of McCarthy at the 9-minute mark really shows how long his stroke is. Looks like he's throwing a javelin.
You know the big change Josh Allen made to take his game to an elite level was transforming his throwing motion which greatly improved his touch and accuracy. Ironically, I think the only reason we would get Maye is if the Pats really do love JJM and we could work a trade where they are guaranteed JJM plus extra picks. Say we give up pick 6 2025 1st, 2nd and 3rd AZ gets the pick 6 2025 2nd and 3rd while NE gets pick 4 and 2025 1st. Only way AZ does that is if they have Nabers and MHJ in the same tier. We would have to restructure some contracts to go big in 2025 free agency so we could make up for all those missing picks.
The still shot of McCarthy at the 9-minute mark really shows how long his stroke is. Looks like he's throwing a javelin.
That’s a big negative for me as well, the throwing motion, so I was interested to see that Shea Tierney went to the Mich pro day. I bet that piece of the analysis is getting a lot of focus: whether McC can adjust the motion.
Again, the Giants are drafting 6th. If they can’t trade up and take a receiver at 6 it means their favorite QB targets have already been drafted.
Already killing Mara for this is a joke.
You are mainly correct.
However, if a QB is there at #6....
No- he is mostly wrong.
If the Giants don't trade back (QB not availabale at 6) and get Penix or Nix - and if they do well for another team then it would mean they belw it. Add Fields to that.
If the Giants take a WR- there are 3 chances one of them are pretty good. If that happens then they were wrong to take the WR beucase this seaosn they most likely went nowhere and litle chance next year to get one of the top QB's.
it's amazing how differently they feel about Maye. It seems like more people are with Bugler, and I appreciate the fact Simms is willing to stick with his position even though he seems to be in the minority,
Tim Hasselbeck, who has broadcast a ton of ACC games for ESPN the last decade (and who obviously played in the NFL), calls Maye the best QB prospect he's seen in the last 10+ years.
He thinks Maye's toolbox is bigger than CW's.
I love his toolbox too. You introduced me to Maye. I don’t think the tools showed up enough when adversity hit in 2023. I see Maye as Tarzan.
We just a different philosophy here, I do not discount the tools position. It is valid. We Likely have 100 opposite rankings. JJ>Daniels>Maye>CW. CW scares the shit out me. Bears are going to suck because they are the Bears. I am married to a Bears fan, watched their games weekly over 30 years. When the Bears shit the bed, I easily see CW having a Zac Wilson moment with the media.
I predict JJ is going to play very well wherever he goes. The arm is big enough and his life is a resume of overcoming adversity and playing big when it matters. I am going to gamble we can teach him touch, only life makes you a leader.
The still shot of McCarthy at the 9-minute mark really shows how long his stroke is. Looks like he's throwing a javelin.
You know the big change Josh Allen made to take his game to an elite level was transforming his throwing motion which greatly improved his touch and accuracy. Ironically, I think the only reason we would get Maye is if the Pats really do love JJM and we could work a trade where they are guaranteed JJM plus extra picks. Say we give up pick 6 2025 1st, 2nd and 3rd AZ gets the pick 6 2025 2nd and 3rd while NE gets pick 4 and 2025 1st. Only way AZ does that is if they have Nabers and MHJ in the same tier. We would have to restructure some contracts to go big in 2025 free agency so we could make up for all those missing picks.
I vacillate between Washington and the Pats as to who could determine our possible QB fate. I'm not ready to rule out Washington having serious interest in JMac, either.
I don't think Daboll changed Allen's motion as much as he developed Allen's second pitch - more off speed.
The last major throwing motion revamp I recall is what Green Bay did with Aaron Rodgers. They took his robotic approach (ball held up by his ear from snap to throw) to a much more natural, athletic move. But that worked because Rodgers clearly has a gift to throw a football.
Maybe JMac can get away with that motion and be successful in the NFL. But my instinct tells me that long motion could be very inviting for edge rushers coming from the blindside.
The still shot of McCarthy at the 9-minute mark really shows how long his stroke is. Looks like he's throwing a javelin.
You know the big change Josh Allen made to take his game to an elite level was transforming his throwing motion which greatly improved his touch and accuracy. Ironically, I think the only reason we would get Maye is if the Pats really do love JJM and we could work a trade where they are guaranteed JJM plus extra picks. Say we give up pick 6 2025 1st, 2nd and 3rd AZ gets the pick 6 2025 2nd and 3rd while NE gets pick 4 and 2025 1st. Only way AZ does that is if they have Nabers and MHJ in the same tier. We would have to restructure some contracts to go big in 2025 free agency so we could make up for all those missing picks.
I vacillate between Washington and the Pats as to who could determine our possible QB fate. I'm not ready to rule out Washington having serious interest in JMac, either.
I don't think Daboll changed Allen's motion as much as he developed Allen's second pitch - more off speed.
The last major throwing motion revamp I recall is what Green Bay did with Aaron Rodgers. They took his robotic approach (ball held up by his ear from snap to throw) to a much more natural, athletic move. But that worked because Rodgers clearly has a gift to throw a football.
Maybe JMac can get away with that motion and be successful in the NFL. But my instinct tells me that long motion could be very inviting for edge rushers coming from the blindside.
The still shot of McCarthy at the 9-minute mark really shows how long his stroke is. Looks like he's throwing a javelin.
You know the big change Josh Allen made to take his game to an elite level was transforming his throwing motion which greatly improved his touch and accuracy. Ironically, I think the only reason we would get Maye is if the Pats really do love JJM and we could work a trade where they are guaranteed JJM plus extra picks. Say we give up pick 6 2025 1st, 2nd and 3rd AZ gets the pick 6 2025 2nd and 3rd while NE gets pick 4 and 2025 1st. Only way AZ does that is if they have Nabers and MHJ in the same tier. We would have to restructure some contracts to go big in 2025 free agency so we could make up for all those missing picks.
I vacillate between Washington and the Pats as to who could determine our possible QB fate. I'm not ready to rule out Washington having serious interest in JMac, either.
I don't think Daboll changed Allen's motion as much as he developed Allen's second pitch - more off speed.
The last major throwing motion revamp I recall is what Green Bay did with Aaron Rodgers. They took his robotic approach (ball held up by his ear from snap to throw) to a much more natural, athletic move. But that worked because Rodgers clearly has a gift to throw a football.
Maybe JMac can get away with that motion and be successful in the NFL. But my instinct tells me that long motion could be very inviting for edge rushers coming from the blindside.
Pathetic
I'm really curious who Mara is going to draft.
He also talked about Robert Kraft and with his age he might be pushing for a new QB even if his GM has other ideas to improve the team. Lots of moving parts as to what and where the Giants can go for a QB, and what will be available where.
Mara seemed on board with a new QB when he spoke at the owners meetings
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"if the Giants don't draft a QB, that came from ownership."
Mara seemed on board with a new QB when he spoke at the owners meetings
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist.
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"if the Giants don't draft a QB, that came from ownership."
Mara seemed on board with a new QB when he spoke at the owners meetings
Lip service.
Already killing Mara for this is a joke.
Already killing Mara for this is a joke.
You are mainly correct.
However, if a QB is there at #6....
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Again, the Giants are drafting 6th. If they can’t trade up and take a receiver at 6 it means their favorite QB targets have already been drafted.
Already killing Mara for this is a joke.
You are mainly correct.
However, if a QB is there at #6....
my god can you imagine the meltdown if it's drake maye?
but in all seriousness think about what that would mean. if schoen and daboll are aligned they want to pick their next josh allen and mara stops it (with a full room of people and cameras rolling like every top 10 pick) after publicly declaring it's their choice they may as well pack up their offices and fire themselves.
schoen's mentor parcells would resign before the next team got their pick in.
We know that only 3 of the teams ahead of us want a QB. If there are 4 QBs it is the Giants choice. If these receivers are so valuable why would 2 teams that have worse receiving corps than ours want to trade out of that pick when they could go to 6 and get Nabers or Harrison.
The “experts” constantly are saying how the Giants should badly want a receiver for Jones. How about a receiver for Herbert..or a receiver for Murray. Those teams actually have viable QBs…and they would want to trade out, but the Giants should take the receiver?
It all doesn’t’ make a ton of sense.
Now if the Giants are unwilling to trade that is a different story, However, that will be their choice as they have the best asset. (Of note, Minnesota has no 2nd round pick this year or next, it isn’t like they are loaded with assets).
Tim Hasselbeck, who has broadcast a ton of ACC games for ESPN the last decade (and who obviously played in the NFL), calls Maye the best QB prospect he's seen in the last 10+ years.
He thinks Maye's toolbox is bigger than CW's.
The still shot of McCarthy at the 9-minute mark really shows how long his stroke is. Looks like he's throwing a javelin.
The still shot of McCarthy at the 9-minute mark really shows how long his stroke is. Looks like he's throwing a javelin.
You know the big change Josh Allen made to take his game to an elite level was transforming his throwing motion which greatly improved his touch and accuracy. Ironically, I think the only reason we would get Maye is if the Pats really do love JJM and we could work a trade where they are guaranteed JJM plus extra picks. Say we give up pick 6 2025 1st, 2nd and 3rd AZ gets the pick 6 2025 2nd and 3rd while NE gets pick 4 and 2025 1st. Only way AZ does that is if they have Nabers and MHJ in the same tier. We would have to restructure some contracts to go big in 2025 free agency so we could make up for all those missing picks.
Ignoring that- we need to be all in in getting Maye!
The still shot of McCarthy at the 9-minute mark really shows how long his stroke is. Looks like he's throwing a javelin.
That’s a big negative for me as well, the throwing motion, so I was interested to see that Shea Tierney went to the Mich pro day. I bet that piece of the analysis is getting a lot of focus: whether McC can adjust the motion.
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Again, the Giants are drafting 6th. If they can’t trade up and take a receiver at 6 it means their favorite QB targets have already been drafted.
Already killing Mara for this is a joke.
You are mainly correct.
However, if a QB is there at #6....
No- he is mostly wrong.
If the Giants don't trade back (QB not availabale at 6) and get Penix or Nix - and if they do well for another team then it would mean they belw it. Add Fields to that.
If the Giants take a WR- there are 3 chances one of them are pretty good. If that happens then they were wrong to take the WR beucase this seaosn they most likely went nowhere and litle chance next year to get one of the top QB's.
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it's amazing how differently they feel about Maye. It seems like more people are with Bugler, and I appreciate the fact Simms is willing to stick with his position even though he seems to be in the minority,
Tim Hasselbeck, who has broadcast a ton of ACC games for ESPN the last decade (and who obviously played in the NFL), calls Maye the best QB prospect he's seen in the last 10+ years.
He thinks Maye's toolbox is bigger than CW's.
We just a different philosophy here, I do not discount the tools position. It is valid. We Likely have 100 opposite rankings. JJ>Daniels>Maye>CW. CW scares the shit out me. Bears are going to suck because they are the Bears. I am married to a Bears fan, watched their games weekly over 30 years. When the Bears shit the bed, I easily see CW having a Zac Wilson moment with the media.
I predict JJ is going to play very well wherever he goes. The arm is big enough and his life is a resume of overcoming adversity and playing big when it matters. I am going to gamble we can teach him touch, only life makes you a leader.
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that was a good link and listen.
The still shot of McCarthy at the 9-minute mark really shows how long his stroke is. Looks like he's throwing a javelin.
You know the big change Josh Allen made to take his game to an elite level was transforming his throwing motion which greatly improved his touch and accuracy. Ironically, I think the only reason we would get Maye is if the Pats really do love JJM and we could work a trade where they are guaranteed JJM plus extra picks. Say we give up pick 6 2025 1st, 2nd and 3rd AZ gets the pick 6 2025 2nd and 3rd while NE gets pick 4 and 2025 1st. Only way AZ does that is if they have Nabers and MHJ in the same tier. We would have to restructure some contracts to go big in 2025 free agency so we could make up for all those missing picks.
I vacillate between Washington and the Pats as to who could determine our possible QB fate. I'm not ready to rule out Washington having serious interest in JMac, either.
I don't think Daboll changed Allen's motion as much as he developed Allen's second pitch - more off speed.
The last major throwing motion revamp I recall is what Green Bay did with Aaron Rodgers. They took his robotic approach (ball held up by his ear from snap to throw) to a much more natural, athletic move. But that worked because Rodgers clearly has a gift to throw a football.
Maybe JMac can get away with that motion and be successful in the NFL. But my instinct tells me that long motion could be very inviting for edge rushers coming from the blindside.
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In comment 16464317 bw in dc said:
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that was a good link and listen.
The still shot of McCarthy at the 9-minute mark really shows how long his stroke is. Looks like he's throwing a javelin.
You know the big change Josh Allen made to take his game to an elite level was transforming his throwing motion which greatly improved his touch and accuracy. Ironically, I think the only reason we would get Maye is if the Pats really do love JJM and we could work a trade where they are guaranteed JJM plus extra picks. Say we give up pick 6 2025 1st, 2nd and 3rd AZ gets the pick 6 2025 2nd and 3rd while NE gets pick 4 and 2025 1st. Only way AZ does that is if they have Nabers and MHJ in the same tier. We would have to restructure some contracts to go big in 2025 free agency so we could make up for all those missing picks.
I vacillate between Washington and the Pats as to who could determine our possible QB fate. I'm not ready to rule out Washington having serious interest in JMac, either.
I don't think Daboll changed Allen's motion as much as he developed Allen's second pitch - more off speed.
The last major throwing motion revamp I recall is what Green Bay did with Aaron Rodgers. They took his robotic approach (ball held up by his ear from snap to throw) to a much more natural, athletic move. But that worked because Rodgers clearly has a gift to throw a football.
Maybe JMac can get away with that motion and be successful in the NFL. But my instinct tells me that long motion could be very inviting for edge rushers coming from the blindside.
He changed his throwing motion - ( New Window )
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In comment 16464317 bw in dc said:
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that was a good link and listen.
The still shot of McCarthy at the 9-minute mark really shows how long his stroke is. Looks like he's throwing a javelin.
You know the big change Josh Allen made to take his game to an elite level was transforming his throwing motion which greatly improved his touch and accuracy. Ironically, I think the only reason we would get Maye is if the Pats really do love JJM and we could work a trade where they are guaranteed JJM plus extra picks. Say we give up pick 6 2025 1st, 2nd and 3rd AZ gets the pick 6 2025 2nd and 3rd while NE gets pick 4 and 2025 1st. Only way AZ does that is if they have Nabers and MHJ in the same tier. We would have to restructure some contracts to go big in 2025 free agency so we could make up for all those missing picks.
I vacillate between Washington and the Pats as to who could determine our possible QB fate. I'm not ready to rule out Washington having serious interest in JMac, either.
I don't think Daboll changed Allen's motion as much as he developed Allen's second pitch - more off speed.
The last major throwing motion revamp I recall is what Green Bay did with Aaron Rodgers. They took his robotic approach (ball held up by his ear from snap to throw) to a much more natural, athletic move. But that worked because Rodgers clearly has a gift to throw a football.
Maybe JMac can get away with that motion and be successful in the NFL. But my instinct tells me that long motion could be very inviting for edge rushers coming from the blindside.
Throwing motion change led to improve touch and accuracy - ( New Window )
Although Allen and JJM are totally different physical specimens, this was the glaring question mark for both of them. I find that interesting.