| “We don’t wanna be up here again—we don’t want to be picking in the top 10,” he says. “We have multiple needs. We are going into Year 3. People assume we’re going quarterback, but we have other needs. If the quarterbacks go 1–4, then we’re getting the second-best position player, not quarterback, at six, which is O.K., too." |
Did Schoen inadvertently say he thinks there are only 4 QBs worthy to take at 6? It sounds to me that this would be Williams, Daniels, Maye & McCarthy.
I think this quote would indicate Penix & Nix aren't in play at 6.
Also, I think this quote was strategically placed to call the teams above NYG bluff on making a deal with the Vikings. It makes sense for NE, ARI & LAC to extort the Giants into paying more due to the Vikings two-first round picks. Schoen is very smart here to say he'd be content staying put. It's a poker game.
I do find him calling out 4 QBs to be interesting.
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Statements like this are either an inadvertent revealing of intentions or Schoen doesn’t bother with subtlety because everyone in the NFL scouting community already knows the info, so it’s not worth keeping secret.
The way I read this can be two different ways (and he may be doing it for both reasons).
(1) Tell teams in front that the Giants are content not to overpay.
(2) Tell teams behind the Giants that the non-QB draft really starts after the QBs are selected and the Giants will have the 2nd overall pick in the non-QB draft. You want a difference maker? Pay the piper.
What if he doesn't think that but wants Denver or Minny (which ever team doesn't trade up for QB 4) to think he isn't interested so he doesn't have to trade up?
See Eric's post above. I think he nails it.
The way I read this can be two different ways (and he may be doing it for both reasons).
(1) Tell teams in front that the Giants are content not to overpay.
(2) Tell teams behind the Giants that the non-QB draft really starts after the QBs are selected and the Giants will have the 2nd overall pick in the non-QB draft. You want a difference maker? Pay the piper.
I agree with this take. And he can also say the above and do another so I’m not sure how much it really means anyway.
There are teams who want to draft a QB and teams who don't want to draft a QB.
Both those groups look at the Giants #6 position in a totally different light.
The way I read this can be two different ways (and he may be doing it for both reasons).
(1) Tell teams in front that the Giants are content not to overpay.
(2) Tell teams behind the Giants that the non-QB draft really starts after the QBs are selected and the Giants will have the 2nd overall pick in the non-QB draft. You want a difference maker? Pay the piper.
BINGO.. wouldnt surprise me if they try and trade down..
Good point. But, I think that cat has been out the bag and out of the house for months now.
Yeah, that is the most telling. It isn't there are a lot of good players, it is if the QB's are gone, we are good to pivot elsewhere..
Winner, winner. chicken dinner.
this team only has six draft picks and a ton of needs. Schoen has said over and over again he wants to build this team through the draft.
If I'm in his position, I look at those six picks and say, "it's not enough."
So I can see them going three different directions:
(1) Trade up and have fewer picks this year and next year, but "finally" get the QB issue "fixed."
(2) Sit tight and take the #1 WR who you are eventually going to need.
(3) Trade down in a WR and OL heavy draft, and maybe pick up a pick next year too.
this team only has six draft picks and a ton of needs. Schoen has said over and over again he wants to build this team through the draft.
If I'm in his position, I look at those six picks and say, "it's not enough."
So I can see them going three different directions:
(1) Trade up and have fewer picks this year and next year, but "finally" get the QB issue "fixed."
(2) Sit tight and take the #1 WR who you are eventually going to need.
(3) Trade down in a WR and OL heavy draft, and maybe pick up a pick next year too.
If Maye is their guy- they have to get him. If goes #2 then ok we never had a shot. if he is at #3 we have to try and get with New England but maybe New England wants MHJ or wants JJM and doesn't want to risk losing out, boom if Maye is at 4 you do whatever you can to get him.
The overall problem is not only is QB an issue, but so is the entire roster.
WR may be the easiest issue to deal with down the line since there are so many WRs coming out of college now. QB is really hard to address.
But the Giants can use help on the DL, CB, S, TE, WR, OL, RB... if they trade up, this may be a 3 player draft for them, and who knows about next year too.
No, they do not.
I hope fans understand this.
this team only has six draft picks and a ton of needs. Schoen has said over and over again he wants to build this team through the draft.
how many day 3 picks in the last 2 drafts have done anything in their rookie year? Bellinger the only one who held a starting role. how many of them even project to start now, after 1-2 years of being in the program? Maybe the list grows by 2 or 3 with mcfadden, belton, riley?
waiver claims like mccloud, hodgins, and pinnock have outperformed day 3 picks.
vet minimum signings like richie james, fabian moureau, jaylon smith, justin pugh, landon collins, tony jefferson, tyree phillips, etc played over draft picks.
so i would focus less on the total pick number (especially in a thin draft) and focus on the 3 premium picks day 1/2. that is where teams find players who will play meaningful snaps. maybe pick 107 could get lucky with someone decent like bellinger.
i am not saying day 3 picks dont matter, but they dont matter in the present. you are lucky if you get 1 starter from day 3. day 3 picks matter down the road because that's where you can develop internal replacements like belton as players ahead of them move on in FA.
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If Giants trade up for Maye, they are letting go of draft capital and will likely sit him for 2024 as the roster won't be that much better than the 2023 version. You regroup for 2025 with Maye as the starter and all of your picks to continue loading up the team at OL, WR, CB, etc.
I hope fans understand this.
Yeah and they will be without probably #1 and #3 next year as a result of getting Maye. The roster will be far worse this year and moreso next year.
he says if QB's go 1-4, then 5 is a non QB whoever the Giants take next at 6 would be the 2nd best position player.
it's not rocket science and it's not showing his hand, it's just logic. and it's not literal.
this team only has six draft picks and a ton of needs. Schoen has said over and over again he wants to build this team through the draft.
If I'm in his position, I look at those six picks and say, "it's not enough."
So I can see them going three different directions:
(1) Trade up and have fewer picks this year and next year, but "finally" get the QB issue "fixed."
(2) Sit tight and take the #1 WR who you are eventually going to need.
(3) Trade down in a WR and OL heavy draft, and maybe pick up a pick next year too.
Maybe Schoen views the QB situation as his primary challenge and, if they can’t get one this year, wants to get another 2025 #1 by trading down to help with that next year. There will be teams eager to give up the 25 #1 to get prospects like Nabers or Odunze.
this team only has six draft picks and a ton of needs. Schoen has said over and over again he wants to build this team through the draft.
If I'm in his position, I look at those six picks and say, "it's not enough."
So I can see them going three different directions:
(1) Trade up and have fewer picks this year and next year, but "finally" get the QB issue "fixed."
(2) Sit tight and take the #1 WR who you are eventually going to need.
(3) Trade down in a WR and OL heavy draft, and maybe pick up a pick next year too.
The "30 visits" tracking I think makes the trade-down option less likely... *unless* they see Penix as a mid-first round guy and want to grab some more capital as part of that. (This is what I thought they should have done in 2019 with Daniel Jones, fwiw.)
I don't see the types of players on the 30 visits list that strike me as mid-first round guys. It's top guys and lower rounds.
The way I read this can be two different ways (and he may be doing it for both reasons).
(1) Tell teams in front that the Giants are content not to overpay.
(2) Tell teams behind the Giants that the non-QB draft really starts after the QBs are selected and the Giants will have the 2nd overall pick in the non-QB draft. You want a difference maker? Pay the piper.
The way I read this can be two different ways (and he may be doing it for both reasons).
(1) Tell teams in front that the Giants are content not to overpay.
(2) Tell teams behind the Giants that the non-QB draft really starts after the QBs are selected and the Giants will have the 2nd overall pick in the non-QB draft. You want a difference maker? Pay the piper.
+1, lots of ways to send a message.
They don’t have a lot of picks.
They need a QB.
They need major offensive weapons.
Like Eric said, there’s the QB draft and the non-QB draft.
The Giants are literally both. So does Schoen risk it all and trade multiple picks to jump up for a QB? Does he stand pat and hope he gets lucky his QB falls to him or get one of the top 2 offensive weapons? Or does he trade down, accumulate more picks and still get a very good WR, possibly QB 5 or 6, and another pick or 2?
Out of all the GM’s in this draft, he’s in the tightest spot.
The way I read this can be two different ways (and he may be doing it for both reasons).
(1) Tell teams in front that the Giants are content not to overpay.
(2) Tell teams behind the Giants that the non-QB draft really starts after the QBs are selected and the Giants will have the 2nd overall pick in the non-QB draft. You want a difference maker? Pay the piper.
Yes I agree and add to that he is telling the teams behind and in front of us that the non QB draft starts around pick 6 so if you want an elite prospect you can't trade down to 11.
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If Giants trade up for Maye, they are letting go of draft capital and will likely sit him for 2024 as the roster won't be that much better than the 2023 version. You regroup for 2025 with Maye as the starter and all of your picks to continue loading up the team at OL, WR, CB, etc.
I hope fans understand this.
Yes, we would need to do some extensions and make as much cap space as possible to fill in holes via FA with likely no picks on day 1 or 2 in 2025.
Well not all of your picks. If you’re trading up for Maye, your 2025 1st and most likely your 2nd or 3rd are gone too. So the big improvements going into next year will be Free Agents. Unless you’re like the Rams and hit home runs with studs in the middle of the draft that start right away. You won’t get your full allocation of draft picks until 2026.
No did not do any research was just thinking that scenario while reading the posts
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6, and trying to throw other teams off...hmm
No, they do not.
Was being facetious.
this team only has six draft picks and a ton of needs. Schoen has said over and over again he wants to build this team through the draft.
If I'm in his position, I look at those six picks and say, "it's not enough."
So I can see them going three different directions:
(1) Trade up and have fewer picks this year and next year, but "finally" get the QB issue "fixed."
(2) Sit tight and take the #1 WR who you are eventually going to need.
(3) Trade down in a WR and OL heavy draft, and maybe pick up a pick next year too.
These are the three directions and honestly I am OK with any of the three. If you can get your QB, do so. If not and you get a great offer for your pick take it. Otherwise grab the game changing WR. I think this is obvious. The questions are Who is your QB and at what price? and what is a great offer for 6? That is what we are paying JS to decide.
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did say is that the team is definitely wants a QB. "If the QBs go, we can go in other directions..."
Good point. But, I think that cat has been out the bag and out of the house for months now.
No, that's not what he said. Man, people trying to read between the lines on all this stuff. What he said was people assume the Giants want a QB. He then said the Giants have a lot of holes and need really good players. Because, as he said, people assume they want a QB, he used the example of the QBs going 1-4 to make his point that the Giants are going to get a really good impact player no matter what happens.
What he doesn't say is "we want a QB." It also doesn't say "we don't want a QB." It says the Giants are in position to get a really good player at 6 no matter what happens. It also doesn't say they are going to trade up, or down.
But if the QBs are gone and we take a WR at 6 I wouldn’t be mad
But if the QBs are gone and we take a WR at 6 I wouldn’t be mad
There are teams who want to draft a QB and teams who don't want to draft a QB.
Both those groups look at the Giants #6 position in a totally different light.
They talked about what Eric said above, that the interview was for other teams signaling the Giants are open for any discussion up or down.
More interestingly to me they talked about 3 of the most prominent Giants beat writers mocking/rumoring 3 different QBs that the Giants love on the same day.
Schwartz mocked J.J. McCarthy to the Giants at #3. Raanan said he was told that the Giants love Jayden Daniels and Leonard reported that the Giants want Maye.
Dan wondered if Schoen is trying to see who leaking information to which reporters. If he's doing that good for him. At least he'll find out who can trust even if they own the team.
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