Talking draft and they are saying for the Giants to only go QB at 6 if it’s somebody who is gonna be special. Otherwise, draft Rattler in round 4 or Penix in round 3.
So they are setting the table for NYG to not get their QB and go WR in round 1.
Would be stunned if he fell as far as Hooker did. Remember Hooker had recently torn his acl and was unable to play the entire season. Crazier things have happened, but that would be the stunner of the draft to me.
You don't draft someone in the top 6 at QB unless you think that guy is going to be a top-8 QB in this league. Giants made that mistake already with Daniel Jones.
You don't draft someone in the top 6 at QB unless you think that guy is going to be a top-8 QB in this league. Giants made that mistake already with Daniel Jones.
Yeah, I get it. 50/50 shot of success with a QB in round 1. They also made probably the best point, the cost to move up. If one falls to 6 that is one thing. Moving up to 3 will cost a bunch and moving to 4 will be a little less.
I go back and forth to what I am hoping for in round 1. WR seems like the sure thing, safe move and it only costs your 1st round pick. Blue chip player.
I'm gonna' have to say my work here is done. I've 'prepared' the fan base enough not to expect QB at #6. Onwards and upwards with DJ in '24.
lol, this is perfect!
I hate to say it but, if JJM is there and Nabers is there, I can see NYG passing them both of Odunze, who is great but I think many here would lose their shit!
I'm gonna' have to say my work here is done. I've 'prepared' the fan base enough not to expect QB at #6. Onwards and upwards with DJ in '24.
lol, this is perfect!
I hate to say it but, if JJM is there and Nabers is there, I can see NYG passing them both of Odunze, who is great but I think many here would lose their shit!
I don't think the odds are very high that JJM. Nabers and Odunze are there. I am preparing myself for them to take Odunze over JJM tho, I'd be a bit bummed because I think JJM is going to surprise a lot of folks and become a good franchise QB. I think Odunze is going to be a great receiver though, so it wouldn't ruin my night by any means.
I'm gonna' have to say my work here is done. I've 'prepared' the fan base enough not to expect QB at #6. Onwards and upwards with DJ in '24.
lol, this is perfect!
I hate to say it but, if JJM is there and Nabers is there, I can see NYG passing them both of Odunze, who is great but I think many here would lose their shit!
I'd rather have Odunze, Benson and a shot at Dart/Sanders/Ward next year than Drake Maye.
I would also be watching very closely to see if Penix made it past the Seahawks and we maybe could trade pick 47 and 2025 2nd to take him to go along with Odunze. That would be really exciting.
You don't draft someone in the top 6 at QB unless you think that guy is going to be a top-8 QB in this league. Giants made that mistake already with Daniel Jones.
I'm gonna' have to say my work here is done. I've 'prepared' the fan base enough not to expect QB at #6. Onwards and upwards with DJ in '24.
lol, this is perfect!
I hate to say it but, if JJM is there and Nabers is there, I can see NYG passing them both of Odunze, who is great but I think many here would lose their shit!
I'd rather have Odunze, Benson and a shot at Dart/Sanders/Ward next year than Drake Maye.
I would also be watching very closely to see if Penix made it past the Seahawks and we maybe could trade pick 47 and 2025 2nd to take him to go along with Odunze. That would be really exciting.
Joel Klatt had a nice top 5 QB recap for 2024 draft. He has Williams, Maye, Daniels, Penix and McCarthy in that order.
He has actually called many Michigan and UNC games, I think some LSU, USC games as well. He did a nice job point out the traits and unreal plays these QB’s made. He showed the amazing ball placement that Penix has.
He also mention Nix, saying he fits perfect with Denver. I think there is a chance that 6 QBs go top 15. So, if NYG wants one, get him at 6 or higher. I like Maye and JJM. I think we need to add a young QB but also love the Wr’s.
95 Trever Lawrence
89 Josh Rosen
87 Joe Burrow
87 Jayden Daniels
87 Caleb Williams
86 Baker Mayfield
84 Tua T
84 JJ McCarthy
83 Justin Fields
83 Bryce Young
83 Drake Maye
82 Justin Herbert
82 CJ Stroud
81 Sam Darnold
81 Dwayne Haskins
81 Zach Wilson
81 Mack Jones
3 QBs this year are rated above the #1 overall pick last year and the 4th has the same rating. All rated over CJ stroud;)
except for the fact that I don't think Penix is going to be there in the 3rd, however I don't think they were being specific with those two players, rather using them as an example.
If they don't love Maye, McCarthy and possibly Daniels (I think he goes 2), don't force Nix at 6 just to draft a QB, the WRs are too good. In that instance pick a day 2/3 guy you think you can develop, I'll trust Daboll on whether that's Pratt, Rattler, Milton, Travis or someone else we haven't discussed.
is they believe we STILL have a QB (in Jones). We do not.
He's super high risk injury wise, and the injury guarantee colors everything.
If they are high on Maye, and he's available, go get him.
If they feel JJM has the potential to be a QB they can win a SB with (making him an upgrade on Jones), draft him.
If both are not possible, take the WR.
That HAS to be their draft process this year. Anything else, is mismanagement.
95 Trever Lawrence
89 Josh Rosen
87 Joe Burrow
87 Jayden Daniels
87 Caleb Williams
86 Baker Mayfield
84 Tua T
84 JJ McCarthy
83 Justin Fields
83 Bryce Young
83 Drake Maye
82 Justin Herbert
82 CJ Stroud
81 Sam Darnold
81 Dwayne Haskins
81 Zach Wilson
81 Mack Jones
3 QBs this year are rated above the #1 overall pick last year and the 4th has the same rating. All rated over CJ stroud;)
Interesting compilation. Shows that Sy is very, very accurate, but not perfect, just like the rest of the NFL. Total miss on Rosen, Darnold, Mack Jones, Zach Wilson and probably Bryce Young. Herbert should have been higher. but that's pretty much it.
To complete this list it would be relevant to know his ranking for Josh Allen and Daniel Jones. I think he had them low 80's?
Speaking of Allen and Darnold, Bob Papa was talking about their visits to the Giants prior to that draft. The team had them come in and meet with the entire staff in the building, to try and understand how each player interacted with just regular folks. The video guy, who Bob said is no football expert, said that Rosen was a snob (no surprise) Darnold had a dead-fish handshake and Josh Allen's handshake was like a vice grip and he was a great guy.
is they believe we STILL have a QB (in Jones). We do not.
He's super high risk injury wise, and the injury guarantee colors everything.
If they are high on Maye, and he's available, go get him.
If they feel JJM has the potential to be a QB they can win a SB with (making him an upgrade on Jones), draft him.
If both are not possible, take the WR.
That HAS to be their draft process this year. Anything else, is mismanagement.
It would be ideal for the Giant to have the luxury of picking a blue chip player and not have to be concerned with picking a QB like JJM, Maye, or Penix where there is more projection and uncertainty involved.
Unfortunately, the QB position is in desparate need of an upgrade, and it's the most important position in football. Between the 3 QBs on the roster, who have 11 combined seasons of play, there is only one above-average performance in there - Jones in 22' - and that was based primarily on his running.
Maybe the Giants have some kind of Moneyball vision where they generate enough production from these 3 QBs in the aggregate to scrape enough wins together, maybe they love some 2025 QBs, or maybe they have some unknown plan we don't know about, but it's going to be beyond frustrating if their plan is that Odunze and some OL additions are going to turn Jones into a top ten or even just top 15 QB. THat's a shitty process.
Yes, QBs bust, but special isn't that difficult to spot.
It's entirely possible special QB won't be there at #6.
I disagree and my point isn't Special or bust (that is a huge gap there), my point is Special won't be known until later.
Maye to me is the guy that most fits what we want, need and with the POTENTIAL to change the franchise. We need to remove all stops to try and get him. At #6, I rather JJM than a WR who will have nobody throwing him the ball...
A championship roster isn't built in one pick, or even in 3-4 years.
Show me a team that built their way to the top without their QB?
But again, its all about who you think is worth it at QB.
Yes, you can build a franchise other ways but we can't build with Jones on the roster as the starter- one injury away from locking us even further into salary cap issues- vs being able to jettison at a set cost right now.
I don't like a WR with a bad offense-they will not change anything. Jets have Wilson and he didn't anything last year of note with Wilson at QB- and that includes a nice set of RB's, TE's with him.. No QB and a bad oline and I don't care who is outside.
are there any QBs slated for the 2025 draft that are "that" guy?
Shedeur Sanders? Well, in Deion's interview where he said he'd pull an Eli to get Shedeur in the right situation, he also said he doesn't want his son playing in the cold [see link]. I'd assume that includes New York.
Carson Beck? Not a great athlete and there is that DUI.
Quinn Ewers? Will he check enough boxes/traits after next season?
Who else? And what would be the odds for the Giants getting the one they target?
Otherwise, do wait to 2026 or beyond? Link - ( New Window )
are there any QBs slated for the 2025 draft that are "that" guy?
Shedeur Sanders? Well, in Deion's interview where he said he'd pull an Eli to get Shedeur in the right situation, he also said he doesn't want his son playing in the cold [see link]. I'd assume that includes New York.
Carson Beck? Not a great athlete and there is that DUI.
Quinn Ewers? Will he check enough boxes/traits after next season?
Who else? And what would be the odds for the Giants getting the one they target?
Otherwise, do wait to 2026 or beyond? Link - ( New Window )
You don't draft someone in the top 6 at QB unless you think that guy is going to be a top-8 QB in this league. Giants made that mistake already with Daniel Jones.
You don't draft someone in the top 6 at QB unless you think that guy is going to be a top-8 QB in this league. Giants made that mistake already with Daniel Jones.
Yeah, I get it. 50/50 shot of success with a QB in round 1. They also made probably the best point, the cost to move up. If one falls to 6 that is one thing. Moving up to 3 will cost a bunch and moving to 4 will be a little less.
I go back and forth to what I am hoping for in round 1. WR seems like the sure thing, safe move and it only costs your 1st round pick. Blue chip player.
That was Howard Cross saying that. Lol
lol, this is perfect!
I hate to say it but, if JJM is there and Nabers is there, I can see NYG passing them both of Odunze, who is great but I think many here would lose their shit!
Lol, I have a black sheet comedy sense of humor..
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I'm gonna' have to say my work here is done. I've 'prepared' the fan base enough not to expect QB at #6. Onwards and upwards with DJ in '24.
lol, this is perfect!
I hate to say it but, if JJM is there and Nabers is there, I can see NYG passing them both of Odunze, who is great but I think many here would lose their shit!
I don't think the odds are very high that JJM. Nabers and Odunze are there. I am preparing myself for them to take Odunze over JJM tho, I'd be a bit bummed because I think JJM is going to surprise a lot of folks and become a good franchise QB. I think Odunze is going to be a great receiver though, so it wouldn't ruin my night by any means.
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I'm gonna' have to say my work here is done. I've 'prepared' the fan base enough not to expect QB at #6. Onwards and upwards with DJ in '24.
lol, this is perfect!
I hate to say it but, if JJM is there and Nabers is there, I can see NYG passing them both of Odunze, who is great but I think many here would lose their shit!
I'd rather have Odunze, Benson and a shot at Dart/Sanders/Ward next year than Drake Maye.
I would also be watching very closely to see if Penix made it past the Seahawks and we maybe could trade pick 47 and 2025 2nd to take him to go along with Odunze. That would be really exciting.
You don't draft someone in the top 6 at QB unless you think that guy is going to be a top-8 QB in this league. Giants made that mistake already with Daniel Jones.
It would be nice if Jones was even bottom 8
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I'm gonna' have to say my work here is done. I've 'prepared' the fan base enough not to expect QB at #6. Onwards and upwards with DJ in '24.
lol, this is perfect!
I hate to say it but, if JJM is there and Nabers is there, I can see NYG passing them both of Odunze, who is great but I think many here would lose their shit!
I'd rather have Odunze, Benson and a shot at Dart/Sanders/Ward next year than Drake Maye.
I would also be watching very closely to see if Penix made it past the Seahawks and we maybe could trade pick 47 and 2025 2nd to take him to go along with Odunze. That would be really exciting.
Joel Klatt had a nice top 5 QB recap for 2024 draft. He has Williams, Maye, Daniels, Penix and McCarthy in that order.
He has actually called many Michigan and UNC games, I think some LSU, USC games as well. He did a nice job point out the traits and unreal plays these QB’s made. He showed the amazing ball placement that Penix has.
He also mention Nix, saying he fits perfect with Denver. I think there is a chance that 6 QBs go top 15. So, if NYG wants one, get him at 6 or higher. I like Maye and JJM. I think we need to add a young QB but also love the Wr’s.
95 Trever Lawrence
89 Josh Rosen
87 Joe Burrow
87 Jayden Daniels
87 Caleb Williams
86 Baker Mayfield
84 Tua T
84 JJ McCarthy
83 Justin Fields
83 Bryce Young
83 Drake Maye
82 Justin Herbert
82 CJ Stroud
81 Sam Darnold
81 Dwayne Haskins
81 Zach Wilson
81 Mack Jones
3 QBs this year are rated above the #1 overall pick last year and the 4th has the same rating. All rated over CJ stroud;)
Odunze 91
Nabers 90
Take a 50/50 shot at a QB or go with your board.
If they don't love Maye, McCarthy and possibly Daniels (I think he goes 2), don't force Nix at 6 just to draft a QB, the WRs are too good. In that instance pick a day 2/3 guy you think you can develop, I'll trust Daboll on whether that's Pratt, Rattler, Milton, Travis or someone else we haven't discussed.
He's super high risk injury wise, and the injury guarantee colors everything.
If they are high on Maye, and he's available, go get him.
If they feel JJM has the potential to be a QB they can win a SB with (making him an upgrade on Jones), draft him.
If both are not possible, take the WR.
That HAS to be their draft process this year. Anything else, is mismanagement.
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95 Trever Lawrence
89 Josh Rosen
87 Joe Burrow
87 Jayden Daniels
87 Caleb Williams
86 Baker Mayfield
84 Tua T
84 JJ McCarthy
83 Justin Fields
83 Bryce Young
83 Drake Maye
82 Justin Herbert
82 CJ Stroud
81 Sam Darnold
81 Dwayne Haskins
81 Zach Wilson
81 Mack Jones
3 QBs this year are rated above the #1 overall pick last year and the 4th has the same rating. All rated over CJ stroud;)
Interesting compilation. Shows that Sy is very, very accurate, but not perfect, just like the rest of the NFL. Total miss on Rosen, Darnold, Mack Jones, Zach Wilson and probably Bryce Young. Herbert should have been higher. but that's pretty much it.
To complete this list it would be relevant to know his ranking for Josh Allen and Daniel Jones. I think he had them low 80's?
Speaking of Allen and Darnold, Bob Papa was talking about their visits to the Giants prior to that draft. The team had them come in and meet with the entire staff in the building, to try and understand how each player interacted with just regular folks. The video guy, who Bob said is no football expert, said that Rosen was a snob (no surprise) Darnold had a dead-fish handshake and Josh Allen's handshake was like a vice grip and he was a great guy.
He'll be great for whoever is QB for Vrabel in 2025 though.
And these guys get paid?
I don't care what anyone else says MAYE is that guy and we should make every attempt to get him.
It's entirely possible special QB won't be there at #6.
He's super high risk injury wise, and the injury guarantee colors everything.
If they are high on Maye, and he's available, go get him.
If they feel JJM has the potential to be a QB they can win a SB with (making him an upgrade on Jones), draft him.
If both are not possible, take the WR.
That HAS to be their draft process this year. Anything else, is mismanagement.
Good take.
Unfortunately, the QB position is in desparate need of an upgrade, and it's the most important position in football. Between the 3 QBs on the roster, who have 11 combined seasons of play, there is only one above-average performance in there - Jones in 22' - and that was based primarily on his running.
Maybe the Giants have some kind of Moneyball vision where they generate enough production from these 3 QBs in the aggregate to scrape enough wins together, maybe they love some 2025 QBs, or maybe they have some unknown plan we don't know about, but it's going to be beyond frustrating if their plan is that Odunze and some OL additions are going to turn Jones into a top ten or even just top 15 QB. THat's a shitty process.
It's entirely possible special QB won't be there at #6.
I disagree and my point isn't Special or bust (that is a huge gap there), my point is Special won't be known until later.
Maye to me is the guy that most fits what we want, need and with the POTENTIAL to change the franchise. We need to remove all stops to try and get him. At #6, I rather JJM than a WR who will have nobody throwing him the ball...
Show me a team that built their way to the top without their QB?
But again, its all about who you think is worth it at QB.
Yes, you can build a franchise other ways but we can't build with Jones on the roster as the starter- one injury away from locking us even further into salary cap issues- vs being able to jettison at a set cost right now.
I don't like a WR with a bad offense-they will not change anything. Jets have Wilson and he didn't anything last year of note with Wilson at QB- and that includes a nice set of RB's, TE's with him.. No QB and a bad oline and I don't care who is outside.
Maye?
Roster building isn't just about 2024, same principle as expecting too much in 2024 from any draft pick.
I know we've all enough of the losing and the embarrassment, but let's not be hasty either or we wind up with another Jones.
You've got it right. Some don't want to believe what's being said by management. Misdirection, I don't think so.
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I'm gonna' have to say my work here is done. I've 'prepared' the fan base enough not to expect QB at #6. Onwards and upwards with DJ in '24.
You've got it right. Some don't want to believe what's being said by management. Misdirection, I don't think so.
And you are basing this on what?
Shedeur Sanders? Well, in Deion's interview where he said he'd pull an Eli to get Shedeur in the right situation, he also said he doesn't want his son playing in the cold [see link]. I'd assume that includes New York.
Carson Beck? Not a great athlete and there is that DUI.
Quinn Ewers? Will he check enough boxes/traits after next season?
Who else? And what would be the odds for the Giants getting the one they target?
Otherwise, do wait to 2026 or beyond?
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Shedeur Sanders? Well, in Deion's interview where he said he'd pull an Eli to get Shedeur in the right situation, he also said he doesn't want his son playing in the cold [see link]. I'd assume that includes New York.
Carson Beck? Not a great athlete and there is that DUI.
Quinn Ewers? Will he check enough boxes/traits after next season?
Who else? And what would be the odds for the Giants getting the one they target?
Otherwise, do wait to 2026 or beyond? Link - ( New Window )
Jaxon Dart and Cam Ward. I like those two a lot.