The "other" draft dilemma ... offense or defense

Offense.

I think they are more app to make a small trade down. I’m hoping that they can trade down to eight or nine. However, they may take themselves out of contention of the top tier WRs. This team needs blue chip talent also.

and then turn to corner and DL. (I'm assuming WR in the first).

not going to fill all of our holes on offense or defense this year, so pick the best player at a position of need each time and we'll see where it leaves us. We'll have a few holes which we'll have to fill in 2025.

But we have the worst offense in the league. Need a QB and playmakers. I think the defense is better than some think. I’m sure they’ll sign a stopgap to play CB2 in free agency. Possibly even Adoree Jackson coming back post draft. The D-line, edge rushers, and inside backers are quite strong.

The roster still has a ton of holes, can't be picky, just need to keep addressing needs instead of forcing offense or defense. I've liked who they have had in for visits. If RB Trey Benson or CB Kool-Aid McKinstry was there in the second for example; I'd be over the moon with either regardless of who they took in the first.

Rd 1. Then get our 2nd cb. Then our feature back of the future and then our tight end. Pound the offense.

1-nabers
2-Tampa
3-Jaylen wright
4-Theo Johnson

this team is still going to stink this year. They can't plug all the holes, and the depth is still crap.

Is that you truly can go BPA.

Whether we go Offense/defense, does not matter because with only 6 picks we will still have several holes no matter what. Pick the best player on your board.

That being said, I like how the IDLs seem to align with our 2nd round pick. Same with a handful of corners. I'd be fine with those instead of a WR at 47.

Don’t know if he is #6 worthy in this draft with QBs pushing talent down, but he seems to have “it” and will likely go earlier than expected. Top 10 wouldn’t be a shock.

In comment 16466213 Dave on the UWS said:

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this team is still going to stink this year. They can't plug all the holes, and the depth is still crap.

sure, if the entire team was made up of 6 draft picks.,.

Please ..

that they should go O-Line over defense. The defense just added Burns and showed dramatic improvement as the season went on. The offense did not.

While we're lacking skill position players, we also have a bad o-line (outside of Thomas), and a QB that exacerbates the problem.

If we're stuck with Jones for another season, maybe the solution isn't adding a new "weapon" but giving him as much time as possible to process the field since he's already slower than most.

Not saying it's what I would do (I'd take a QB and if that's not possible trade down), but there's an argument to be made.

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In comment 16466234 Des51 said:

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12 FA on offense and 2 F 12 free agents on offense and 2 on defense plus 1 trade. a

An important consideration.

In comment 16466213 Dave on the UWS said:

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this team is still going to stink this year. They can't plug all the holes, and the depth is still crap.

One of my biggest pet peeves after the draft is fans saying, "We didn't address X position."

That's going to happen in spades this year.

Heavy in the draft. Daboll is an offensive head coach, they have a bad offense.

Sure, 2 ‘starting‘ OL and Singletary will contribute and have a role. But most of the other guys (the TE’s, Schlottmann/Stinnie/Nelson, Mackenzie/Boykin) don’t tilt the scales and are purely depth or competition.

They also had a lot more on offense to replace between Barkley, seemingly Waller, Tyrod, both starting guards, their swing tackles, and the WR depth.

Defensively, only 2 external FA’s and Burns, but they retained Holmes, Simmons, McCloud and sounds like Jackson may be a re-sign possibility as well.

to me, barring maye somehow slipping to 6, i think the ideal scenario here could be qbs going 1-4 and the chargers taking MHJ. Maybe the bears want to jump the titans to take alt and we can get their 3 and 4 to move to 9. odds are good that at least one of the wr is there at 9 in that scenario.

they cannot afford to ignore the defense

Just like everyone focusing on the 1st pick and saying we'll if we go QB then who is blocking/catching for the new QB or if we go WR then who is throwing him the ball. Broaden that and look at the draft. This one draft isn't fixing the team. It can get us on the right track but this rebuild is taking multiple years. When people realize that, it is easier to see what to do. Take the best players available at premium positions.

In comment 16466266 gidiefor said:

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they cannot afford to ignore the defense

In a way they already have since the second round pick was shipped out for Burns so that is already one for that side.

Really good question Eric: I think sometimes we focus too much on the first round pick and forget the draft is actually 7 rounds. And I am personally really intrigued by what the Giants do with their second round pick because, with the proviso they don't go QB or WR there, it looks like there will be some really good players available at #47. I do not believe that would be too early to draft a Trey Benson as he's clearly the top RB out there this year. However, I suspect there will also be several potentially useful RBs at #70 wheeras you really aren't going to get starting quality CBs or DL in the third so I am wondering if they would be looking at a CB like Max Melton or a DT like Maason Smith, who doesn't fill quite as big a need but is simply a really good prospect but with a high ceiling. Then in the 3rd you are looking less for starter types but either situational players like a RB or CB or developmental types like a QB.

In that regard I have always been a proponent of using - when possible - to use your premium picks less to fill holes and more to build a championship quality team and that's why I would be really tempted by a Smith type of player, although CB looks to me like the one real critical need that's still left to filled. Should be an interesting second day.

BPA between Defensive End, CB, and WR if they take a QB at 6.

Are earmarked for QB and or WR. They could both go in a deal for a QB, or if QB falls to 6 we grab WR in round 2. If we go WR in round 1, the round 2 pick might be a little more open depending on QB situation at that point, but you get the idea.

Burns was Schoen's way of saying to Bowen --we got you a shinny new toy, but you may have to settle for some workarounds in some key spots. I could see pick 47 going CB if we took a WR at 6, but we may be looking at pick 70 (possibly even later) for our first defensive player.

I think we're going to see some low priced veteran signings (safety/CB) with the draft being more about depth and the future as far as the defense goes barring someone that is just too good to pass.

with "just take this or that to plug holes", is this organization wants to win- NOW! (like they did 2 years ago).
You win with elite level players, not a bunch of "plug the hole ers".

Mara is NOT going to be content with several more 5 or 6 win seasons as they "build" the roster. Schoen has to get this team competitive by 2025.
That will be year 4 of his regime. If it looks like they are several MORE years away at that point, I would expect John's leash to be a LOT shorter.

Is wattse the pick on a RB that earty. You're going to stink anyway. You should start focusing on RB when you are getting good. And you can get draft a flyer in rds 5/6/7 that would have potential.

In comment 16466293 Colin@gbn said:

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Really good question Eric: I think sometimes we focus too much on the first round pick and forget the draft is actually 7 rounds. And I am personally really intrigued by what the Giants do with their second round pick because, with the proviso they don't go QB or WR there, it looks like there will be some really good players available at #47. I do not believe that would be too early to draft a Trey Benson as he's clearly the top RB out there this year. However, I suspect there will also be several potentially useful RBs at #70 wheeras you really aren't going to get starting quality CBs or DL in the third so I am wondering if they would be looking at a CB like Max Melton or a DT like Maason Smith, who doesn't fill quite as big a need but is simply a really good prospect but with a high ceiling. Then in the 3rd you are looking less for starter types but either situational players like a RB or CB or developmental types like a QB. In that regard I have always been a proponent of using - when possible - to use your premium picks less to fill holes and more to build a championship quality team and that's why I would be really tempted by a Smith type of player, although CB looks to me like the one real critical need that's still left to filled. Should be an interesting second day.

I agree. I know even Sy has kind of written off RB in round 2 and I understand the thinking, but a guy like Trey would really help this offense.

who they’ve already taken, but:

There should be some good DT prospects available Day 2. CB and Edge tend to go early but someone could fall to them at 47. They are more likely to find a safety than a corner or edge in rounds 3-5.

With only six picks, though, they can’t fill every need. In a perfect world I’d prefer they get a QB and a stud WR with their first two picks and then look for DT, edge,

was really plugging Audric Estime the other day... I can see the appeal. And that 40-time doesn't tell the whole story.

really spent a lot of resources on Benson. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the pick at #47.

They need to keep the D off the field more than they did last year. That’ll help.

That said, this isn’t a one year rebuild. Take BPA. If you look at areas of need like WR, CB etc they’re high cost positions in FA, so maybe we’ll select from that group. I can see that as more of a factor than just offense vs defense. To be quite frank they both need a lot of work.

In comment 16466314 Eric from BBI said:

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was really plugging Audric Estime the other day... I can see the appeal. And that 40-time doesn't tell the whole story.

Howard probably knows him pretty well too because his son also plays at ND. Its actually an interesting RB class with nobody really in the top 50 or so but a number of players who should be available Rds 3-4 with the potential to come and be solid rotational guys. I like Wright and Shipley myself because of the speed/big-play element, but Estime is certainly in that group.

2nd round - I’d go for a CB2 or stud interior DL
3rd round - I’d go QB (Joe Milton)
4th round - RB, TE
5th round - Whatever you didn’t take (CB or IDL) in the 2nd round
6th round - Whatever you didn’t take (RB or TE) in the 4th round

But we have a large gap between 107 and 166 due to the Burns trade. That's a prime area for a RB. I think we need to move down and try to get 2 picks in the end 4/comp/early 5th.

SF has 124,133,135
Buffalo 128,133,144
Denver 121,145,147

In comment 16466418 Trainmaster said:

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2nd round - I’d go for a CB2 or stud interior DL 3rd round - I’d go QB (Joe Milton) 4th round - RB, TE 5th round - Whatever you didn’t take (CB or IDL) in the 2nd round 6th round - Whatever you didn’t take (RB or TE) in the 4th round

If for example oyu go CB in rd 2 - then QB in rd 3, why wouldn't you go with DL in rd 4 if you had them as top priority in rd 2?

You STILL take the BPA.

That said, it would be nice if need met value at CB or OG. And I'm never against them picking up another pass rusher or OL, even if there's no obvious need.

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Then fill WR,S,RB,QB,DL
Via bpa

Just get a couple of players who can make a positive impact. We need help on both sides of the ball.

CB and another edge. Trading back and getting Verse and one of the top CBs would really help the defense.

in addition to their 1st and 3rd. George Young picked six defensive players.

The Giants added three pieces: Mark Collins, Erik Howard and Pepper Johnson. Of course the round 1 pick, Eric Dorsey was the one who only played in 89 games (come to think of it, that's still a lot of games).

Unless a top 3 quarterback falls to 6, I would pick offensive or defensive line. I think that one more pro-Bowl level addition to the front seven who can rush the passer would give the Giants an elite pass rush and a top 10 defense, and that helps against the best quarterbacks.

I'm probably biased because it was the Giants' defense that finally brought them back to respectable after 17 years in the wilderness. Even though the offense could still not get out of its own way, teams were really a little afraid of facing the Giants, and no one laughed at them anymore.

Somewhat tongue in cheek, but Fuck the offense. After 12 years of seeing offense this and offense that and this qb sucks and that qb sucks and fuck this OL and that OL, just turn the giants franchise around and stockpile defensive talent until the D is loaded. And then keep drafting defense after it’s loaded.

I’d draft the qb. I’d draft the wr too. But we need to focus a lot of resources to the defense. I’m telling you the giants will only win big again when the defense is great. When in doubt, draft defense. The universe and football gods will smile upon the nyg franchise when they draft and truly cultivate defensive talent.

nowadays but the Giants like the Steelers are historically a defense focused team.

Not a good match unfortunately.

Take the best players.

In comment 16467742 US1 Giants said:

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Take the best players.

maybe decent in 2025. They will suck in 2024.

The strategy in later rounds.

If a QB is the pick in round 1, then the next few picks should be used to maximize the ability to surround him with enough on offense to be successful once given the job. A round 2 WR would probably be the priority, and depending on what Waller does a TE at some point too. With a first round QB I think there will be less expectations around number of wins this year, so Daboll/Schoen likely have more job security and can approach this as a 2 year project.

If a WR is taken then I think you see more of a focus on trying to maximize wins this year. Besides WR, the most glaring holes on the roster are on the defensive side of the ball so I think you see a corner as early as round 2, and then safety and DL addressed later in the draft. No QB round 1 means living and dying by the Daniel Jones contract they gave out, so have to plug as many holes for 2024 as possible.

the next few years, stay away from players with a short shelf life, like running backs.

I don't see where the picks of OBJ and Barkley helped to build the club.

And passed on a better guard in the draft to take JMS. We did so because we had Ezeudu, Glowinski, McKethan, and Bredeson.

This offseason we had to sign TWO starting guards and we're not 100% sure what we have in JMS.

Point being we need to take BPA if the position isn't absolutely locked down.

all the time are:

1) Fix the oline
2) Build a team identity

I would not mind grabbing the best IOL at 47 and then gorging on defensive players the rest of the way. They absolutely need a DT with some power; a safety; a CB and not necessarily in that order.