"Warren Sharp
@SharpFootball
this is wild
the easiest time to pass the ball is on 1st down
Daniel Jones ranked #48 of 48 QBs on 1st down efficiency (min 100 att in 2023)
just 30% of att were successful
NFL avg is 46%
a lot of it was sacks... ok...
BUT EVEN IF YOU REMOVE SACKS
he ranked #47 of 48 QBs
gross
even removing sacks, he was pressured a a high rate... ok...
BUT EVEN IF YOU REMOVE ATTEMPTS UNDER PRESSURE
he ranked #47 of 48 QBs
only Bailey Zappe was worse"
I personally look forward to Jones playing behind a competent line and talented pass catchers.
It's become an Autumn tradition over here at Casa Gonzales to watch the All 22 breakdowns of Jones missing guys open downfield. It almost approximates the joy of winning.
Look forward to the snap of the ball, seeing the RB flaring out into the flats and knowing instantly where the ball is going while Jones fakes like he’s actually looking downfield to draw the defenders away from his actual target
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The owner, the GM, and coach all seem open to Jones returning and competing for the starting job.
I personally look forward to Jones playing behind a competent line and talented pass catchers.
It's become an Autumn tradition over here at Casa Gonzales to watch the All 22 breakdowns of Jones missing guys open downfield. It almost approximates the joy of winning.
Look forward to the snap of the ball, seeing the RB flaring out into the flats and knowing instantly where the ball is going while Jones fakes like he’s actually looking downfield to draw the defenders away from his actual target
Is there a separate broadcast that shows Jones even pretending to look downfield? My TV never seems to show that angle.
Daniel Jones proved that he was fool's gold last season.
It's past time to move on.
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The owner, the GM, and coach all seem open to Jones returning and competing for the starting job.
I personally look forward to Jones playing behind a competent line and talented pass catchers.
It's become an Autumn tradition over here at Casa Gonzales to watch the All 22 breakdowns of Jones missing guys open downfield. It almost approximates the joy of winning.
Look forward to the snap of the ball, seeing the RB flaring out into the flats and knowing instantly where the ball is going while Jones fakes like he’s actually looking downfield to draw the defenders away from his actual target
Is there a separate broadcast that shows Jones even pretending to look downfield? My TV never seems to show that angle.
It’s very brief. Like a split second so you really have to zoom in before he inevitably tosses the ball 15 feet over the covered RB in the flat
I personally look forward to Jones playing behind a competent line and talented pass catchers.
It's become an Autumn tradition over here at Casa Gonzales to watch the All 22 breakdowns of Jones missing guys open downfield. It almost approximates the joy of winning.
It would not be Giant football without the constant replays showing the pre-snap reads Jones misses, the guys running open almost immediately from the snap while Jones stares a hole in the RB as he runs out into the flat with a safety timing his run at the RB to decapitate him.
It is what we get to look forward to instead of competitive games.
Maybe at halftime Slayton, Robinson, Hyatt, and Nabers can run exhibition 4x100s. It's about the only thing that speed will be good for.
What a world. What a time to be alive.
Maybe at halftime Slayton, Robinson, Hyatt, and Nabers can run exhibition 4x100s. It's about the only thing that speed will be good for.
Now imagine how much better it gets when teams know Jones will be hesitant to run, the only thing he does well?
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I can see it now. The Giants draft Nabers and Gary Brightwell leads the team in targets.
Maybe at halftime Slayton, Robinson, Hyatt, and Nabers can run exhibition 4x100s. It's about the only thing that speed will be good for.
Now imagine how much better it gets when teams know Jones will be hesitant to run, the only thing he does well?
And then add this to the picture, 8 games into an already lost season where Jones is playing awful, he injures himself yet again and kicks in his enormous injury guarantee for next year.
They barely played?
And why would they have barely played?
Do you think that if Toney and James played the same amount of snaps as the top WRs on the chiefs they would have had better numbers with Mahomes or Jones?
& of course a smart organization-figuring that injury clause & Jones' injury history-wouldn't even let him see the field this fall, but if he's ready to go Week 1, he'll presumably be the starter. I don't want to say the Giants are run by idiots, but there's a lot of evidence indicating that they are, from ownership on down.
Franchise needs to move on.
Yup
Of course it'll never happen.
2) I'll spare everyone another thread, but the prospects of him ever playing another down are 100% predicated on him being ready by camp and the Giants not drafting a QB, anything else would be ridiculous.
(/sarcasm/)
Agreed. I just can't see Schoen going into the year with a banged up Jones, Lock & DeVito. It makes no sense and I think Schoen knows it. We'll see what happens, but I think NYG finds a way to secure one of the top 6 QBs.
2024 NEW YORK GIANTS FOOTBALL BABY! FEEL THE EXCITEMENT!!!!!!!!
Franchise needs to move on.
Exactly. Can you imagine if Jones misses the first couple of games, and then they either bench Lock or the rookie and go to Jones?
The fans would burn the tin can down.
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They barely played?
And why would they have barely played?
Do you think that if Toney and James played the same amount of snaps as the top WRs on the chiefs they would have had better numbers with Mahomes or Jones?
Do you really want to go down this road? It's OK for you to think Jones stinks. The fact that you can't understand that these players around him are no good says a lot about your ability to be reasonable. They didn't get snaps because they are not good players. KC did not have great players in front od them forcing them to sit.
Both of those players had fewer targets in 2023 because of factors outside of their talent.
Do you really want to go down this road? It's OK for you to think Jones stinks. The fact that you can't understand that these players around him are no good says a lot about your ability to be reasonable. They didn't get snaps because they are not good players. KC did not have great players in front od them forcing them to sit.
Let’s go down that road. Answer the question.
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Do you really want to go down this road? It's OK for you to think Jones stinks. The fact that you can't understand that these players around him are no good says a lot about your ability to be reasonable. They didn't get snaps because they are not good players. KC did not have great players in front od them forcing them to sit.
Let’s go down that road. Answer the question.
Mahomes is a way better QB than Jones and Andy Reid is a way better offensive mind than Daboll. They are simply inconsistent players at best and their playing time reflected that. Slayton is inconsistent as well and is not going to go shine somewhere else.
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And they could have done the same thing last year and tagged Jones, and he’d be off the team.
Agreed. I just can't see Schoen going into the year with a banged up Jones, Lock & DeVito. It makes no sense and I think Schoen knows it. We'll see what happens, but I think NYG finds a way to secure one of the top 6 QBs.
I'm with you. I think Schoen finds a way to get one of the top 6 QBs when all is said and done. Perhaps not with pick #6, but somewhere.
Both of those players had fewer targets in 2023 because of factors outside of their talent.
The meltdown was far from out of Tony's control, he is a head case who is worthless anywhere, however when he and James were able to be on the field they didn't get many targets because they're not very good.
We are bringing Golliday into this now? Come on man!
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Added - Golliday, Waller and Hyatt have caught their touchdowns from a QB not named Daniel Jones
We are bringing Golliday into this now? Come on man!
Why not Golladay. He was a pro bowl wr who Jones couldn't form a connection with. Remember Golladay yelling on the sideline in the Washington game? What was he yelling about?
Remember that time you said Calvin Johnson didn't play with Orlovsky and when proven wrong you deflected?
Anyhow he is a 3rd WR on most teams and wouldn't get much targets in Kansas. You either don't watch the games and just read stats or you must forget all the balls Golliday and Slayton have dropped. It doesn't matter who the QB is when the ball hits you in the hands and you drop the ball.
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Added - Golliday, Waller and Hyatt have caught their touchdowns from a QB not named Daniel Jones
We are bringing Golliday into this now? Come on man!
Why not Golladay. He was a pro bowl wr who Jones couldn't form a connection with. Remember Golladay yelling on the sideline in the Washington game? What was he yelling about?
He came here with a fork in his back and has not been signed since. This is getting comical.
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Remember that time you said Calvin Johnson didn't play with Orlovsky and when proven wrong you deflected?
Anyhow he is a 3rd WR on most teams and wouldn't get much targets in Kansas. You either don't watch the games and just read stats or you must forget all the balls Golliday and Slayton have dropped. It doesn't matter who the QB is when the ball hits you in the hands and you drop the ball.
Dan Orlovsky played 7 games with Calvin Johnson, that was supposed to change Orlovsky’s career? By your logic shouldn’t they have seen what Orlovsky could do with a full season of Calvin Johnson? By the way, that year Orlovsky was on pace for more TDs than Jones threw in 2022z
Anyhow, not sure how not remembering 7 games of Orlovksys career is even relevant to the discussion. I’ll try asking the question again to see if you stop deflecting:
Would Slayton still be a 700 yard receiver if he was the #1 WR on the Chiefs?
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Remember that time you said Calvin Johnson didn't play with Orlovsky and when proven wrong you deflected?
Anyhow he is a 3rd WR on most teams and wouldn't get much targets in Kansas. You either don't watch the games and just read stats or you must forget all the balls Golliday and Slayton have dropped. It doesn't matter who the QB is when the ball hits you in the hands and you drop the ball.
Dan Orlovsky played 7 games with Calvin Johnson, that was supposed to change Orlovsky’s career? By your logic shouldn’t they have seen what Orlovsky could do with a full season of Calvin Johnson? By the way, that year Orlovsky was on pace for more TDs than Jones threw in 2022z
Anyhow, not sure how not remembering 7 games of Orlovksys career is even relevant to the discussion. I’ll try asking the question again to see if you stop deflecting:
Would Slayton still be a 700 yard receiver if he was the #1 WR on the Chiefs?
It's because you are not worth it because you can never admit to being wrong. I regret even responding to you.
Be a man, answer the question. Don’t run away.
Be a man, answer the question. Don’t run away.
Never seen it.
I already answered it numerous times. He is who he is and wouldn't be a number 1 there. Mahomes doesn't magically turn these guys into stars. We all saw it this past season.
Using Golladay in this was an absolute joke as well.
If Slayton had Mahomes has his QB instead of a toaster would he produce more than the 770 yards he did with Jones?
You can shit on Slayton all you’d like but he’s 10 times the football player Daniel Jones is.
Thought you don’t like deflection?
Waller caught one (1) in 600 or so offensive snaps in 2023.
I'm no Jones fan but this angle doesn't add anything. Jones threw 2 TDs (and 6 INTs) in 5 plus games last season; criticizing that is enough.
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Added - Golliday, Waller and Hyatt have caught their touchdowns from a QB not named Daniel Jones
We are bringing Golliday into this now? Come on man!
Why not Golladay. He was a pro bowl wr who Jones couldn't form a connection with. Remember Golladay yelling on the sideline in the Washington game? What was he yelling about?
He came here with a fork in his back and has not been signed since. This is getting comical.
He was on the field with Jones plenty. Jones wouldn't throw to him because Jones can't throw a fade to save his life. Jones can't hit precise leverage points in contested catch sitiations. And Jones has terrible touch. Either you can't admit it. Or you haven't a clue what you're looking at.
He was on the field with Jones plenty. Jones wouldn't throw to him
Again, an inaccurate and unnecessary angle of criticism.
Golladay got off to a very respectable start with Jones in the first four weeks of 2021: 26 targets, 17 receptions, 282 yards, on pace for well over 1000.
In the Week 4 win over the Saints in the Dome, Golladay had 6 catches for 116.
The following week he suffered a knee injury that put him out for four weeks. When he came back, he had three quiet games and then Jones suffered the neck injury that ended his season.
From the beginning of 2022 training camp, Golladay was a diminished player: another year older/slower and further down the hill. No QB could have made 2022 Kenny Golladay a success.
And he's been out of the league since.
I was just curious & went back & looked @ Jones' 'spectacular' 2022 season...the offense cracked the 30 point barrier just twice-the first in a win vs. a checked out Colts team on New Year's & the second in that 'epic' WC win vs. that 'great' Vikes defense.
No, his point (or attempted point) was that Jones wouldn't throw to Golladay. And that's not true.
As I said, I'm no Jones fan. Factual inaccuracies are unnecessary to criticize him.