"Warren Sharp
@SharpFootball
this is wild
the easiest time to pass the ball is on 1st down
Daniel Jones ranked #48 of 48 QBs on 1st down efficiency (min 100 att in 2023)
just 30% of att were successful
NFL avg is 46%
a lot of it was sacks... ok...
BUT EVEN IF YOU REMOVE SACKS
he ranked #47 of 48 QBs
gross
even removing sacks, he was pressured a a high rate... ok...
BUT EVEN IF YOU REMOVE ATTEMPTS UNDER PRESSURE
he ranked #47 of 48 QBs
only Bailey Zappe was worse"
What's this in reference to?
Related but I met someone who works for an NFL team recently and lets just say he didn't think too highly of Jones. Nothing groundbreaking but still interesting and sad to hear from an opposing team.
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You felt the need to correct the two to three.
Any time a Daniel Jones discussion breaks out you kick and scream and yell that you’re done discussing it, but then continue to comment on every discussion.
You can simply ignore it.
I don't like ignoring lies.
What are the lies? If Kannell played in todays NFL he’d probably average a whopping 208 yards a game too.
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In comment 16466590 ajr2456 said:
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You felt the need to correct the two to three.
Any time a Daniel Jones discussion breaks out you kick and scream and yell that you’re done discussing it, but then continue to comment on every discussion.
You can simply ignore it.
I don't like ignoring lies.
What are the lies? If Kannell played in todays NFL he’d probably average a whopping 208 yards a game too.
One more time--Jones was and is a better QB than Kannel or Dave Brown. Jones did more in 2022 than Kannel did in 1997. The points scored backs it up. The eye test backs it up. The defensive talent on both teams backs it up.
The 97 Giants would be better if they had Jones and the 22 Giants would be worse if they had Kannel. Running skills matter. ANd yes, I know that isn't a high bar and we need to be better. Let me add that before some fucko piles that on.
This is fucking STUPID. A few people started up with the Kannel takes and I disagreed while at the same time saying Jones needs to be upgraded here.
Done.
Daniel Jones 23-36-1 as a starter.
Trevor Lawrence has simular statistics and overall record since he's been in the league, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub1-0QIqWC4 - ( New Window )
This is the bottomline, but it doesn't mean they need to throw a hail mary at the QB position. If there's a QB truly worthy of a top ten pick, they should jump on it if the draft capital cost isn't prohibitive. Short of that, take one of the receivers who appear to be on a higher row than the QB prospects.
p.s.--Personally, my favorite is Penix. Would love a draft that went Nabers, trade up for Penix, and then Brooks and Sinnott some how. Not realistic, I know (but Levis falling to round two didn't seem realistic at this time last year).
Everyone knows it. Eisen has already reported that the word at the Combine was the Giants have huge "buyer's remorse." He's not a guy prone to rumor mongering.
Money talks, bullshit walks???
LOL
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Dave Brown 23-30 as a starter.
Daniel Jones 23-36-1 as a starter.
Trevor Lawrence has simular statistics and overall record since he's been in the league, too.
Yea well he sucks too if you listen to a few people here. Never mind that he was playing on a shot out ankle last season. He sucks. Stats. STATS.
Meanwhile, Eli from 2004-2006 was NOT as good as TL's first 3 seasons. But I am sure that everyone was all knowing and patient with Mr Manning back then. Sure.
Maybe there's more to this NFL game than we all think. TL was as flawless a QB prospect to come along, maybe ever. OK rookie year. Damn good year 2. Setback or drop off in year 3. And now we want to let him walk in FA? Not me.
Do a YouTube search. The reactions to this clip from the media is embarrassing as hell. Everyone starts laughing. They can't help it.
Now imagine if the Giants draft Nabers.
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Dave Brown 23-30 as a starter.
Daniel Jones 23-36-1 as a starter.
Trevor Lawrence has simular statistics and overall record since he's been in the league, too.
Check Lawrence’s record and stats post Urban Meyer
One more time--Jones was and is a better QB than Kannel or Dave Brown. Jones did more in 2022 than Kannel did in 1997. The points scored backs it up. The eye test backs it up. The defensive talent on both teams backs it up.
The 97 Giants would be better if they had Jones and the 22 Giants would be worse if they had Kannel. Running skills matter. ANd yes, I know that isn't a high bar and we need to be better. Let me add that before some fucko piles that on.
This is fucking STUPID. A few people started up with the Kannel takes and I disagreed while at the same time saying Jones needs to be upgraded here.
Done.
And one more time, Jones is the same bucket as Kannell and Brown. Their stats being worse 25-30 years ago is irrelevant.
Jones is near the bottom of nearly every passing category since he came into the league. Even the advanced ones. The same as Kannell and Brown. He’s their peer, not their superior.
It even happened to Eli Manning late in his career.
I'm beyond tired of this endless DJ debate - some factor in the dysfunction and bad supporting cast and some don't. Either way, we all know he's damaged goods and likely David Carr'd by now. Looks like he'll get one more chance to prove otherwise, but it'll likely be an audition for another team if the Giants can trade up for a QB.
We can all have our opinions on the guy, but one of the only facts we have is that the situation around him has been as bad as it gets in the NFL virtually his entire career. The one year things were semi-functional - 2022 - he looked solid. And even then - with a bad supporting cast.
+1
It’s amazing ppl conveniently minimize playing QB is a function of EVERYTHING around a QB. And DJ has had the absolute worst around him… bottom-ranked OL and WR corps. I can’t tell you how many I saw DJ throw a deep ball and hit Slayton RIGHT IN HIS HANDS and he dropped it. One I remember in the endzone. This idea of DJ being scared to throw deep or won’t throw deep is simplistic. The scheme changed in 2022 to protect a QB from a leaky line. And Daboll realized he didn’t necessarily have the personnel for a vertical passing attack. Slayton, Hodgins and James don’t scream vertical, deep passes combined with a poor pass blocking line.
In addition, DJ in 2023 was CLEARLY shell-shocked from a poorly- constructed OL that give DJ less than 2 seconds to do anything worthwhile after they lost Andrew Thomas.
New York Giants football…feel the excitement!!!
Like you have said many times in the past, NYG football is now only interesting in the off-season.
Here is where we are trending:
Many BBIers who are clamoring for an "elite WR" are likely going to get their wish.
When that occurs, along with not drafting a QB, the narrative will shift to: "Well, now that we have the elite WR and the OL looks better, we might as well see how Jones does with these improved pieces..."
Jones, Lock, Cutlets. Your 2024 NYG QB Room.
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I'm not sure if it's people didn't actually play the game or what, but when a QB is getting the sh#t kicked out of him on a regular basis, everything goes to hell. (The internal clock is f#cked.)
It even happened to Eli Manning late in his career.
I'm beyond tired of this endless DJ debate - some factor in the dysfunction and bad supporting cast and some don't. Either way, we all know he's damaged goods and likely David Carr'd by now. Looks like he'll get one more chance to prove otherwise, but it'll likely be an audition for another team if the Giants can trade up for a QB.
We can all have our opinions on the guy, but one of the only facts we have is that the situation around him has been as bad as it gets in the NFL virtually his entire career. The one year things were semi-functional - 2022 - he looked solid. And even then - with a bad supporting cast.
+1
It’s amazing ppl conveniently minimize playing QB is a function of EVERYTHING around a QB. And DJ has had the absolute worst around him… bottom-ranked OL and WR corps. I can’t tell you how many I saw DJ throw a deep ball and hit Slayton RIGHT IN HIS HANDS and he dropped it. One I remember in the endzone. This idea of DJ being scared to throw deep or won’t throw deep is simplistic. The scheme changed in 2022 to protect a QB from a leaky line. And Daboll realized he didn’t necessarily have the personnel for a vertical passing attack. Slayton, Hodgins and James don’t scream vertical, deep passes combined with a poor pass blocking line.
In addition, DJ in 2023 was CLEARLY shell-shocked from a poorly- constructed OL that give DJ less than 2 seconds to do anything worthwhile after they lost Andrew Thomas.
Nothing is ever Daniel Jones' fault. It's always the people around him letting him down. Well, don't worry, you're getting year 6 of shitty Jones play! What will the excuse for him be this time?
Also, why didn't DeVito and Taylor have the same issues throwing down field if it's all because of the team and none of it becasue of Jones?
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We’re having a debate over who was better-Jones or Kanell.
New York Giants football…feel the excitement!!!
Like you have said many times in the past, NYG football is now only interesting in the off-season.
Here is where we are trending:
Many BBIers who are clamoring for an "elite WR" are likely going to get their wish.
When that occurs, along with not drafting a QB, the narrative will shift to: "Well, now that we have the elite WR and the OL looks better, we might as well see how Jones does with these improved pieces..."
Jones, Lock, Cutlets. Your 2024 NYG QB Room.
I just vomited a little in my mouth. When Jones still sucks next year, the new excuse will be that the running game just wasn't good enough, or defense didn't keep them in games, or coaching didn't take advantage of Jones' strengths. It's never Jones' fault.
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I'm not sure if it's people didn't actually play the game or what, but when a QB is getting the sh#t kicked out of him on a regular basis, everything goes to hell. (The internal clock is f#cked.)
It even happened to Eli Manning late in his career.
I'm beyond tired of this endless DJ debate - some factor in the dysfunction and bad supporting cast and some don't. Either way, we all know he's damaged goods and likely David Carr'd by now. Looks like he'll get one more chance to prove otherwise, but it'll likely be an audition for another team if the Giants can trade up for a QB.
We can all have our opinions on the guy, but one of the only facts we have is that the situation around him has been as bad as it gets in the NFL virtually his entire career. The one year things were semi-functional - 2022 - he looked solid. And even then - with a bad supporting cast.
+1
It’s amazing ppl conveniently minimize playing QB is a function of EVERYTHING around a QB. And DJ has had the absolute worst around him… bottom-ranked OL and WR corps. I can’t tell you how many I saw DJ throw a deep ball and hit Slayton RIGHT IN HIS HANDS and he dropped it. One I remember in the endzone. This idea of DJ being scared to throw deep or won’t throw deep is simplistic. The scheme changed in 2022 to protect a QB from a leaky line. And Daboll realized he didn’t necessarily have the personnel for a vertical passing attack. Slayton, Hodgins and James don’t scream vertical, deep passes combined with a poor pass blocking line.
In addition, DJ in 2023 was CLEARLY shell-shocked from a poorly- constructed OL that give DJ less than 2 seconds to do anything worthwhile after they lost Andrew Thomas.
Now explain the other 3 seasons.
OLine, weapons (cnveniently leaving out Barkley in 2022 who was more important and better), shell shocked. What else? Temperature in the locker room not right?
He's been the one constant over 5 seasons with a bad offense. Maybe he's the problem? Maybe its as simple as he's not a good QB?
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We’re having a debate over who was better-Jones or Kanell.
New York Giants football…feel the excitement!!!
Like you have said many times in the past, NYG football is now only interesting in the off-season.
Here is where we are trending:
Many BBIers who are clamoring for an "elite WR" are likely going to get their wish.
When that occurs, along with not drafting a QB, the narrative will shift to: "Well, now that we have the elite WR and the OL looks better, we might as well see how Jones does with these improved pieces..."
Jones, Lock, Cutlets. Your 2024 NYG QB Room.
Okay, that settles it. Let's draft McCarthy.
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One more time--Jones was and is a better QB than Kannel or Dave Brown. Jones did more in 2022 than Kannel did in 1997. The points scored backs it up. The eye test backs it up. The defensive talent on both teams backs it up.
The 97 Giants would be better if they had Jones and the 22 Giants would be worse if they had Kannel. Running skills matter. ANd yes, I know that isn't a high bar and we need to be better. Let me add that before some fucko piles that on.
This is fucking STUPID. A few people started up with the Kannel takes and I disagreed while at the same time saying Jones needs to be upgraded here.
Done.
And one more time, Jones is the same bucket as Kannell and Brown. Their stats being worse 25-30 years ago is irrelevant.
Jones is near the bottom of nearly every passing category since he came into the league. Even the advanced ones. The same as Kannell and Brown. He’s their peer, not their superior.
Yea, I don't care--I really don't want to hear it. Jones is a better QB than Kannel and Brown. I'll die on that hill every time. That's the only reason I even got sucked into this shit show in the first place.
Better athlete. Better thrower. Better runner. And his best season was better than DK and DB's best seasons.
Same bucket? WTF does that mean. He's not the same QB. He's better. HE can still be your worst nightmare but he's better than those guys.
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In comment 16466582 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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We’re having a debate over who was better-Jones or Kanell.
New York Giants football…feel the excitement!!!
Like you have said many times in the past, NYG football is now only interesting in the off-season.
Here is where we are trending:
Many BBIers who are clamoring for an "elite WR" are likely going to get their wish.
When that occurs, along with not drafting a QB, the narrative will shift to: "Well, now that we have the elite WR and the OL looks better, we might as well see how Jones does with these improved pieces..."
Jones, Lock, Cutlets. Your 2024 NYG QB Room.
I just vomited a little in my mouth. When Jones still sucks next year, the new excuse will be that the running game just wasn't good enough, or defense didn't keep them in games, or coaching didn't take advantage of Jones' strengths. It's never Jones' fault.
Don't forget calling the shiny new wr a bust
Same bucket? WTF does that mean. He's not the same QB. He's better. HE can still be your worst nightmare but he's better than those guys.
He’s statically one of the worst throwing starting QBs in the league for his career. So were Kannell and Brown.
Maybe he’s slightly better, but that’s irrelevant. They were among the worst during their time, he’s amongst the worst in the league in his time. Not a hard concept.
The real cause of all this angst is the inability of the Giants to come up with even a mediocre offensive line despite throwing tons of resources at it. Flowers and Neal. They could have done better putting a line together out of undrafted free agents and letting them play together for a season.
Most of the linemen have not just lacked talent, but were never allowed to stay together as a unit and play for a season. Look at the 2007 line and you won't find a lot of pedigree among Diehl, Seubert, O'Hara, Snee and McKenzie, but you will notice that all five of them played in all 16 games.
Four years later, it was almost the same. Diehl had to move from guard back to left tackle and they were still good enough to beat the Niners and the Patriots.
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One more time--Jones was and is a better QB than Kannel or Dave Brown. Jones did more in 2022 than Kannel did in 1997. The points scored backs it up. The eye test backs it up. The defensive talent on both teams backs it up.
The 97 Giants would be better if they had Jones and the 22 Giants would be worse if they had Kannel. Running skills matter. ANd yes, I know that isn't a high bar and we need to be better. Let me add that before some fucko piles that on.
This is fucking STUPID. A few people started up with the Kannel takes and I disagreed while at the same time saying Jones needs to be upgraded here.
Done.
And one more time, Jones is the same bucket as Kannell and Brown. Their stats being worse 25-30 years ago is irrelevant.
Jones is near the bottom of nearly every passing category since he came into the league. Even the advanced ones. The same as Kannell and Brown. He’s their peer, not their superior.
Yea, I don't care--I really don't want to hear it. Jones is a better QB than Kannel and Brown. I'll die on that hill every time. That's the only reason I even got sucked into this shit show in the first place.
Better athlete. Better thrower. Better runner. And his best season was better than DK and DB's best seasons.
Same bucket? WTF does that mean. He's not the same QB. He's better. HE can still be your worst nightmare but he's better than those guys.
Arguing with some of these guys is a waste of time. They don't want to hear it. Even when you prove them wrong with physical proof they can't admit it.
I just vomited a little in my mouth. When Jones still sucks next year, the new excuse will be that the running game just wasn't good enough, or defense didn't keep them in games, or coaching didn't take advantage of Jones' strengths. It's never Jones' fault.
Don't forget calling the shiny new wr a bust
Already setting the stage for Nabers to have a "bad attitude" compared to sweet, hard-working Daniel.
It even happened to Eli Manning late in his career.
I'm beyond tired of this endless DJ debate - some factor in the dysfunction and bad supporting cast and some don't. Either way, we all know he's damaged goods and likely David Carr'd by now. Looks like he'll get one more chance to prove otherwise, but it'll likely be an audition for another team if the Giants can trade up for a QB.
We can all have our opinions on the guy, but one of the only facts we have is that the situation around him has been as bad as it gets in the NFL virtually his entire career. The one year things were semi-functional - 2022 - he looked solid. And even then - with a bad supporting cast.
This take is an example of the excuse making for this guy that is beyond laughable at this point. Daniel Jones is not a has-been because he was put in a bad position and had the life kicked out of him. He is a never was that this organization kept making excuses for.
Daniel Jones has gotten many more opportunities from the Giants than he has earned. The only reason he was "solid" in 2022 is Daboll realized the only way to win with Jones is to make him a runner. He is not an NFL level pocket passer. He has never been on his entire NFL career. Did he get "David Carr'd" in training camp his rookie year?
Draft the QB, find his strengths, and then give him the support he needs.
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Just to play along, who really "LIKES" Jones, here?
Just a partial list, but...
Jack Stroud
ryanmkeane
Snorkels
4xchamps
kickoff
Eightshamrocks
Should I continue?
Wow 6. And I am sure every one of them not named Jack goes out of their way to INSIST that Jones is the guy to build around. By "like" I mean insist that this guy is the answer going forward.
It aint 6. More like 2.
And no one goes nuts like the terrific ten here that nuke each and every thread.
There's more than that. Was "just a partial list..." too much for you?
We can start by adding you, for example, along with the other posters who chased you down this rabbithole on this very thread (most of whom I keep muted for sanity's sake, but I enjoy seeing your posts).
You don't notice your fellow fan club members posts nearly as much, because you agree with them.
Wasn't trying to win anything. I didn't start that debate I merely added some facts or clarity to the discussion.
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Woof. Getting all worked up to prove Jones is better than Danny Kanell is the definition of moral victory. This is certainly one of those moments where when you win, you lose.
Wasn't trying to win anything. I didn't start that debate I merely added some facts or clarity to the discussion.
Dude, the next facts or clarity that you add to this discussion will be the first.
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That Nabers sound bite is worse than I remember.
Do a YouTube search. The reactions to this clip from the media is embarrassing as hell. Everyone starts laughing. They can't help it.
Now imagine if the Giants draft Nabers.
That was bad. I saw an ESPN panel reaction that included Schefter. They were laughing. Schefter said that talk around the league was that NYG would not go QB and would instead fill holes. Florio is the agents’ conduit; Schefter strikes me as the approved corporate NFL conduit. I bet what he “is hearing” is accurate and NYG fans hoping for a QB fix will have to keep their fingers crossed on a Milton/Pratt/Travis level Hail Mary at best.
When he came back from the 2nd neck injury, there were reports his throwing motion changed and he was abysmal. Then tore his ACL. There's a decent chance he can't even play at the level he showed in 2022.
Start Lock, bench him, cut him, whatever. The PR nightmare that would ensue if he hurts the neck AGAIN, and has to be taken off on a stretcher is unfathomable to me.
When he came back from the 2nd neck injury, there were reports his throwing motion changed and he was abysmal. Then tore his ACL. There's a decent chance he can't even play at the level he showed in 2022.
Start Lock, bench him, cut him, whatever. The PR nightmare that would ensue if he hurts the neck AGAIN, and has to be taken off on a stretcher is unfathomable to me.
That might be what it takes for the Giants to move on from him though, a liberal physical inability to play the position. Giants shouldn't let it come to that, but all signs point to that being where we're headed.
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In comment 16466317 djm said:
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Just to play along, who really "LIKES" Jones, here?
Just a partial list, but...
Jack Stroud
ryanmkeane
Snorkels
4xchamps
kickoff
Eightshamrocks
Should I continue?
Wow 6. And I am sure every one of them not named Jack goes out of their way to INSIST that Jones is the guy to build around. By "like" I mean insist that this guy is the answer going forward.
It aint 6. More like 2.
And no one goes nuts like the terrific ten here that nuke each and every thread.
There's more than that. Was "just a partial list..." too much for you?
We can start by adding you, for example, along with the other posters who chased you down this rabbithole on this very thread (most of whom I keep muted for sanity's sake, but I enjoy seeing your posts).
You don't notice your fellow fan club members posts nearly as much, because you agree with them.
I notice them all.
This place has gone so crazy that if you say you want a new QB you're still labeled as DJFC. That's when you you know the debate has jumped the shark.
There are a very select few here that go out of their way to praise Jones. Very few. There are dozens here who relish in the chance to label rational posters or even slightly Pollyanna posters. They relish the chance to rub their noses in it for cautiously defending the NYG QB.
It's just ugly here now.
Money talks, bullshit walks???
I guess the message here is that anyone signed to a big contract by an NFL team is worth the money because the experts gave them that money?
"Solid logic. I completely agree!"
- Kenny Golladay
Still respect and appreciate all of you. Let's have a great draft and find the QB we all need.
He sure didnt have Saquon Barkley leading the NFL in rushing after 9 weeks And going 7-3
He sure didnt have Saquon Barkley leading the NFL in rushing after 9 weeks And going 7-3
22 TDs. Rushing skills matter.
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In comment 16466287 mittenedman said:
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I'm not sure if it's people didn't actually play the game or what, but when a QB is getting the sh#t kicked out of him on a regular basis, everything goes to hell. (The internal clock is f#cked.)
It even happened to Eli Manning late in his career.
I'm beyond tired of this endless DJ debate - some factor in the dysfunction and bad supporting cast and some don't. Either way, we all know he's damaged goods and likely David Carr'd by now. Looks like he'll get one more chance to prove otherwise, but it'll likely be an audition for another team if the Giants can trade up for a QB.
We can all have our opinions on the guy, but one of the only facts we have is that the situation around him has been as bad as it gets in the NFL virtually his entire career. The one year things were semi-functional - 2022 - he looked solid. And even then - with a bad supporting cast.
+1
It’s amazing ppl conveniently minimize playing QB is a function of EVERYTHING around a QB. And DJ has had the absolute worst around him… bottom-ranked OL and WR corps. I can’t tell you how many I saw DJ throw a deep ball and hit Slayton RIGHT IN HIS HANDS and he dropped it. One I remember in the endzone. This idea of DJ being scared to throw deep or won’t throw deep is simplistic. The scheme changed in 2022 to protect a QB from a leaky line. And Daboll realized he didn’t necessarily have the personnel for a vertical passing attack. Slayton, Hodgins and James don’t scream vertical, deep passes combined with a poor pass blocking line.
In addition, DJ in 2023 was CLEARLY shell-shocked from a poorly- constructed OL that give DJ less than 2 seconds to do anything worthwhile after they lost Andrew Thomas.
Now explain the other 3 seasons.
OLine, weapons (cnveniently leaving out Barkley in 2022 who was more important and better), shell shocked. What else? Temperature in the locker room not right?
He's been the one constant over 5 seasons with a bad offense. Maybe he's the problem? Maybe its as simple as he's not a good QB?
There’s been a lot of constants…. DJ, poor OL, subpar WRs and TEs. This offense doesn’t scare anyone.
You're martyr act on this thread is getting out of hand. You are coming across like this guy is your kid and you need to defend his honor from the idiotic masses.
Jones is a bad QB who most of this fan base is frustrated watching and even more frustrated that their organization seems to want to cling to no matter what happens on the field. So yeah, more posts making excuses for why he is actually an ok QB with bad circumstances are met with derision. It echos the excuses that made by the front office that have subjected us all to watching him flunder these past several years, and possibly again next year.
If you don't understand the Jones frustration is not borne of personal hatred toward the man and not the front office that keeps trotting him out there while expressing their belief in him, that is on you not everyone else.
To me the only guy capable of that is Williams and maybe Daniels but not sure we can get Daniels.
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sorry for enjoying 2022. Sorry for believing that Jones could build off 2022. Blame me and the others like me.
You're martyr act on this thread is getting out of hand. You are coming across like this guy is your kid and you need to defend his honor from the idiotic masses.
Jones is a bad QB who most of this fan base is frustrated watching and even more frustrated that their organization seems to want to cling to no matter what happens on the field. So yeah, more posts making excuses for why he is actually an ok QB with bad circumstances are met with derision. It echos the excuses that made by the front office that have subjected us all to watching him flunder these past several years, and possibly again next year.
If you don't understand the Jones frustration is not borne of personal hatred toward the man and not the front office that keeps trotting him out there while expressing their belief in him, that is on you not everyone else.
OK. and much like the martyrdom act, the other side is equally as bad. I was laying it on thick there, but I guess you missed that point. Common in this thread for points to be missed.
I am not really sorry for anything.
Ok bye. I need to do some work today.
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I'm not sure if it's people didn't actually play the game or what, but when a QB is getting the sh#t kicked out of him on a regular basis, everything goes to hell. (The internal clock is f#cked.)
It even happened to Eli Manning late in his career.
I'm beyond tired of this endless DJ debate - some factor in the dysfunction and bad supporting cast and some don't. Either way, we all know he's damaged goods and likely David Carr'd by now. Looks like he'll get one more chance to prove otherwise, but it'll likely be an audition for another team if the Giants can trade up for a QB.
We can all have our opinions on the guy, but one of the only facts we have is that the situation around him has been as bad as it gets in the NFL virtually his entire career. The one year things were semi-functional - 2022 - he looked solid. And even then - with a bad supporting cast.
+1
It’s amazing ppl conveniently minimize playing QB is a function of EVERYTHING around a QB. And DJ has had the absolute worst around him… bottom-ranked OL and WR corps. I can’t tell you how many I saw DJ throw a deep ball and hit Slayton RIGHT IN HIS HANDS and he dropped it. One I remember in the endzone. This idea of DJ being scared to throw deep or won’t throw deep is simplistic. The scheme changed in 2022 to protect a QB from a leaky line. And Daboll realized he didn’t necessarily have the personnel for a vertical passing attack. Slayton, Hodgins and James don’t scream vertical, deep passes combined with a poor pass blocking line.
In addition, DJ in 2023 was CLEARLY shell-shocked from a poorly- constructed OL that give DJ less than 2 seconds to do anything worthwhile after they lost Andrew Thomas.
Nothing is ever Daniel Jones' fault. It's always the people around him letting him down. Well, don't worry, you're getting year 6 of shitty Jones play! What will the excuse for him be this time?
Also, why didn't DeVito and Taylor have the same issues throwing down field if it's all because of the team and none of it becasue of Jones?
This has been addressed AD NAUSEAM… the OL Cutlets AND Taylor played with was NOT the same one DJ played with. Andrew Thomas AND JMS RETURNED to play with Cutlets and Taylor. And Barkley was OUT most of the games with DJ.
So let’s stick to the FACTS, what you and I feel about DJ are irrelevant. But don’t distort the FACTS to make poor arguments. And don’t forget the fact that the defensive lines and competition we faced early in the season wasn’t what Cutlets and Taylor faced.
2. Danny Kannell sucked
3. Daniel Jones sucks
4. Malik Nabers thinks the Giants QB needs to be figured out - translation - NYG QB room sucks
5. Some think we need to go WR because trading draft picks for a new young QB will set us back years.
How did I do?