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New NYG Draft Update Based on Asshats and Reports

BleedBlue46 : 4/13/2024 12:34 pm
-JJM will not be taken at 6 according to BBI resident asshat, same asshat reported we favor Odunze over Nabers due to gun incident and other character issues we might not have heard about. This suggests JJM is most likely not going to be a NYG.
-Secondhand asshat report suggests a deal with NE for Maye is in place if the draft falls a particular way (presumably CW-JD first) then we trade up with NE for Maye.
-Asshat report and top 30 visit suggest we really like Benson and have shown a keen interest in him, potentially a top candidate for pick 47 if there.
-According to another asshat, "Daboll REALLY likes Nabers". Which contradicts the other asshat report about various valid character concerns. Maybe it's Odunze > Nabers, but Nabers > JJM?
-Connor Hughes still on the JJM bandwagon, suggesting we would trade up for him. He is usually pretty good for NYG info. Nevertheless, this contradicts asshat report here and is perhaps not based on any inside knowledge.


My takeaway?

We are still trying hard to trade up for Maye at 3 with a fallback option of Odunze at 6, or maybe Nabers at 6 if Odunze is gone. Perhaps we would trade down if Odunze is not there at 6.

I also wonder if Schoen is just leaking all sorts of contradictory info to various people which trickles down to reporters and our asshats. I don't think we have had a legit asshat leak before the draft in any of Schoen's years (correct me if I'm wrong). There is a reasonable chance only Schoen, Brown and Cowen know their real potential pathways. Everything leaked outside of their circle is just disinformation and smoke potentially. Which would be refreshing after years of being transparent with our plans (ie getting jumped for Devonta Smith with Cowboys knowing we wouldn't take Parsons).

What are your thoughts?
So another words Schoen has everyone guessing...  
GFAN52 : 4/13/2024 12:36 pm : link
and no one truly has a clue what's going on with the Giants draft plans. That's a good thing.
RE: So another words Schoen has everyone guessing...  
BleedBlue46 : 4/13/2024 12:37 pm : link
In comment 16467492 GFAN52 said:
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and no one truly has a clue what's going on with the Giants draft plans. That's a good thing.


That's what my intuition/gut tells me.
I'm going to ask my psychoanalyst why I read this stuff.  
ConsistentGiantFan : 4/13/2024 12:44 pm : link
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RE: I'm going to ask my psychoanalyst why I read this stuff.  
BleedBlue46 : 4/13/2024 12:47 pm : link
In comment 16467503 ConsistentGiantFan said:
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Yeah, me thinks Schoen is doing a good job overloading everyone with contradictory information to the point of making fans minds explode
Yep  
Johnny5 : 4/13/2024 12:48 pm : link
I have absolutely no conviction in any way shape or form on who they like or which direction I thin. I will be both surprised and NOT surprised at our first pick in the 2024 draft... lol

And that definitely is a good thing.
Who  
AcidTest : 4/13/2024 12:49 pm : link
knows at this point, which as others have said, is what we should want as Giants fans and a credit to Schoen and the rest of the FO and coaching staff. The only pick at #6 that would really surprise me is Alt.
Ugh man  
Johnny5 : 4/13/2024 12:49 pm : link
These G*D*MN POP UP ADS! ARRGH!

"...on who they like or which direction I think they should go."
I wouldn’t put too much stock in any of this stuff.  
Strahan91 : 4/13/2024 12:50 pm : link
It’s lying season after all
RE: I wouldn’t put too much stock in any of this stuff.  
BleedBlue46 : 4/13/2024 12:53 pm : link
In comment 16467514 Strahan91 said:
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It’s lying season after all


Agreed, I only feel solid about us having been trying to trade up presumably for Maye. Beyond that, it's anyone's guess at this point and I don't think anyone knows besides Schoen, Brown, Cowen and maybe Daboll.
RE: So another words Schoen has everyone guessing...  
56goat : 4/13/2024 12:58 pm : link
In comment 16467492 GFAN52 said:
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and no one truly has a clue what's going on with the Giants draft plans. That's a good thing.


+1, that would be nice for a change. Go JS!
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/13/2024 1:06 pm : link
I can’t wait until we shock the world and take a punter at 6!
I dispute that Conner Hughes has anything close to  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/13/2024 1:29 pm : link
inside information
RE: RE: I'm going to ask my psychoanalyst why I read this stuff.  
DonQuixote : 4/13/2024 1:29 pm : link
In comment 16467507 BleedBlue46 said:
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Yeah, me thinks Schoen is doing a good job overloading everyone with contradictory information to the point of making fans minds explode


I think you’re OK if you’re not getting angry at others and using ad hominem attacks against those who diverge from your views on Daniel Jones or the QBs in the draft … not that this would happen on BBI. :)
RE: I dispute that Conner Hughes has anything close to  
nochance : 4/13/2024 1:33 pm : link
In comment 16467550 gidiefor said:
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inside information



If it is "inside information" it's probably planted
RE: I wouldn’t put too much stock in any of this stuff.  
Milton : 4/13/2024 1:44 pm : link
In comment 16467514 Strahan91 said:
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It’s lying season after all
Not only is it lying season, it's clickbait season. It's easy (and understandable) for someone in the media--whose livelihood depends on clicks--to take any little nugget they receive and frame it in a way that suggests it's more meaningful than it actually is.
RE: I dispute that Conner Hughes has anything close to  
BleedBlue46 : 4/13/2024 1:49 pm : link
In comment 16467550 gidiefor said:
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inside information


I agree and I mentioned this as a probability. I don't think he does either. I don't think anyone really has inside information from our inner circle, which is a good thing. The only thing I think we can know as a probability is that Schoen has been hard at work trying to trade up presumably for Maye. Outside of that, it's anyone's guess and a whole Lotta smoke/misinformation.
RE: RE: I wouldn’t put too much stock in any of this stuff.  
BleedBlue46 : 4/13/2024 1:51 pm : link
In comment 16467572 Milton said:
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In comment 16467514 Strahan91 said:


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It’s lying season after all

Not only is it lying season, it's clickbait season. It's easy (and understandable) for someone in the media--whose livelihood depends on clicks--to take any little nugget they receive and frame it in a way that suggests it's more meaningful than it actually is.


And I'll take this a step further and say there's a high likelihood our insiders here aren't getting transparent information about our plans either, other than the attempt to trade up which is tough to hide/mislead anyone on that.
I think Daboll can really like Nabers  
leatherneck570 : 4/13/2024 1:52 pm : link
But the Giants can still have Odunze over him when character is considered. IOW I don’t think those two rumors necessarily contradict each other.
One interesting thing  
Rave7 : 4/13/2024 1:54 pm : link
I've noticed that out of the 30 visits we have had, only 3 of them were with WRs. It is possible that we missed some players on the list, but it is still interesting to note that we have not brought in any 2nd-tier WR. This could mean that we are either trying to mislead others or that we are planning to select a WR at 6.
It seems more than likely the Giants 1st pick will be either QB or WR, similar to last year when they were choosing either WR or CB.
RE: I think Daboll can really like Nabers  
BleedBlue46 : 4/13/2024 1:58 pm : link
In comment 16467585 leatherneck570 said:
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But the Giants can still have Odunze over him when character is considered. IOW I don’t think those two rumors necessarily contradict each other.


That is a very good point, definitely not contradictory. If we are to believe our asshats, it seems like trading down if Nabers and JJM are there is a possibility. I still aire on the side of Schoen keeping his cards extremely close to his vest and no one has a real glimpse of those cards (outside of the trade up talk and Nabers being liked by Daboll).
If a deal is in place with NE.....their asshats will know.  
George from PA : 4/13/2024 1:59 pm : link
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RE: One interesting thing  
BleedBlue46 : 4/13/2024 2:00 pm : link
In comment 16467587 Rave7 said:
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I've noticed that out of the 30 visits we have had, only 3 of them were with WRs. It is possible that we missed some players on the list, but it is still interesting to note that we have not brought in any 2nd-tier WR. This could mean that we are either trying to mislead others or that we are planning to select a WR at 6.
It seems more than likely the Giants 1st pick will be either QB or WR, similar to last year when they were choosing either WR or CB.


That is a very good point. Either they know the 2nd tier WRs they like will not likely be there at 47 or they prefer Benson/Melton/Beebe at 47. Maybe their plan is trade up for Maye using pick 47 with a fallback option of WR at 6. Thus the 2nd round pick will definitively not be WR because they either wouldn't have the pick 47 or they would take WR at 6 and not need WR in rd2.
They've done a good job  
GiantGrit : 4/13/2024 2:02 pm : link
This year. This regime loves guys who separate which is why I was a bit surprised to hear they may be leaning Odunze over Nabers, the latter feels like more of a Daboll type WR so that info makes sense.

Of all the things I've heard I feel the strongest about the interest in Maye because I've heard it more than once. We'll see what happens, some info is good some is not.
RE: If a deal is in place with NE.....their asshats will know.  
BleedBlue46 : 4/13/2024 2:03 pm : link
In comment 16467596 George from PA said:
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Agreed, that and Daboll liking Nabers seem like two asshat tidbits we can count on right now. There's a lot of validity to Maye via tradeup as priority 1 with fallback being WR at 6/trade down if you get a great offer.

If I had to bet right now, I wouldn't bet a lot because it is very muddled and smokey to see, but I would put my money on Maye at 3 via tradeup.
RE: They've done a good job  
BleedBlue46 : 4/13/2024 2:04 pm : link
In comment 16467602 GiantGrit said:
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This year. This regime loves guys who separate which is why I was a bit surprised to hear they may be leaning Odunze over Nabers, the latter feels like more of a Daboll type WR so that info makes sense.

Of all the things I've heard I feel the strongest about the interest in Maye because I've heard it more than once. We'll see what happens, some info is good some is not.


Thx for chiming in, GiantGrit! We all appreciate you a lot!!
Everyone sees the first six or seven picks being  
Reese's Pieces : 4/13/2024 2:19 pm : link
quarterbacks or wide receivers.

The Draft Kings are copycats who usually don't stray too far from the consensus as it would be embarrassing if they thought a player ranked top 30 by most should be a top 10.

But the GMs and scouts have been following certain players for two or three years and they have their own opinions. Most probably have these three receivers spread out over the first round, with another receiver currently off the map moving way up because that team knows him real well.

Someone's going to want the first offensive or defensive  
Reese's Pieces : 4/13/2024 2:24 pm : link
lineman. And they'll be so hot for him that they won't trade down very far.
RE: Someone's going to want the first offensive or defensive  
BleedBlue46 : 4/13/2024 2:43 pm : link
In comment 16467633 Reese's Pieces said:
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lineman. And they'll be so hot for him that they won't trade down very far.


Suggesting a team in the 7-10 range will trade up for OL or edge? I could see the Bears trading up from 9 to take Alt at 6, I could also see them trading up to 6 for WR. If Odunze and Nabers were on the board and we knew they were going for OT, it would be a no brainer to me. Get Odunze or Nabers at 9 plus a 2025 2nd or so.
Where is Glove One when we need him? (joke)  
Marty in Albany : 4/13/2024 3:29 pm : link
I don't think we've ever had actual inside info on a first round pick. Maybe 12 hours before the draft, but never this early.
RE: Ugh man  
Mayo2JZ : 4/13/2024 4:21 pm : link
In comment 16467513 Johnny5 said:
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These G*D*MN POP UP ADS! ARRGH!

"...on who they like or which direction I think they should go."


I would gladly pay an annual fee to eliminate pop up ads!!









RE: One interesting thing  
Spider43 : 4/13/2024 4:26 pm : link
In comment 16467587 Rave7 said:
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I've noticed that out of the 30 visits we have had, only 3 of them were with WRs. It is possible that we missed some players on the list, but it is still interesting to note that we have not brought in any 2nd-tier WR. This could mean that we are either trying to mislead others or that we are planning to select a WR at 6.
It seems more than likely the Giants 1st pick will be either QB or WR, similar to last year when they were choosing either WR or CB.


Yeah, I'm fully expecting to take Odunze at #6. Outside shot MHJ makes it there. If Minny offers a good package for JJ there, we may trade down (same for Nabers, perhaps). But I'm not expecting to pick JJ or Nabers there for ourselves ('agree with JJ, somewhat disagree with Nabers - we desperately need a WR1, and I'm willing to take a chance on his character). I'm not expecting to trade up for Maye (I would, but only at #5) or for him to fall to #6.
RE: RE: Someone's going to want the first offensive or defensive  
JoeSchoens11 : 4/13/2024 4:38 pm : link
In comment 16467637 BleedBlue46 said:
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lineman. And they'll be so hot for him that they won't trade down very far.



Suggesting a team in the 7-10 range will trade up for OL or edge? I could see the Bears trading up from 9 to take Alt at 6, I could also see them trading up to 6 for WR. If Odunze and Nabers were on the board and we knew they were going for OT, it would be a no brainer to me. Get Odunze or Nabers at 9 plus a 2025 2nd or so.
Even with Nabors and Odunze on board, trading to 9 could easily lead to Chi taking Alt then the WRs going 7 and 8. We’d need a big return to trade one pick outside of the blue chippers.
If a deal costs us a #1  
Carl in CT : 4/13/2024 4:42 pm : link
To move up three spots (cause Maye is not a sure thing) that could send the GM and the coach packing.
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BleedBlue46 : 4/13/2024 4:43 pm : link
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lineman. And they'll be so hot for him that they won't trade down very far.



Suggesting a team in the 7-10 range will trade up for OL or edge? I could see the Bears trading up from 9 to take Alt at 6, I could also see them trading up to 6 for WR. If Odunze and Nabers were on the board and we knew they were going for OT, it would be a no brainer to me. Get Odunze or Nabers at 9 plus a 2025 2nd or so.

Even with Nabors and Odunze on board, trading to 9 could easily lead to Chi taking Alt then the WRs going 7 and 8. We’d need a big return to trade one pick outside of the blue chippers.


The Titans need a tackle badly and just gave Ridley that massive contract, would be a huge surprise but not unheard of.
I don't believe the asshats or the reports...  
Jim in Tampa : 4/13/2024 5:51 pm : link
if for no other reason than they contradict each other.

The Giants want Maye! Oh wait, somebody let the cat out of the bag that the Giants actually like McCarthy instead and Schoen is pissed.

Daboll loves Nabers! Oh wait, just kidding, the WR they really want is Odunze.

Nobody knows.
The reality is they probably like all of these guys  
HardTruth : 4/13/2024 6:11 pm : link
Why wouldn’t they?

And they would probably take each in different scenarios

The question isnt who do they like. Its who is the top choice amongst their ability to draft them
Agreed,  
BleedBlue46 : 4/13/2024 6:41 pm : link
As GiantGrit said, they are doing a great job this year with Intel. The only thing I feel solid about is that Schoen had been diligent at working to trade up for Maye. This uncertainty is really refreshing as others have said.
I know some  
Jay on the Island : 4/13/2024 9:13 pm : link
will not be happy if we trade up for Maye but I personally would be thrilled. Two years ago I was jealous of the teams that would have a top 2 pick in 2024 because they would get either Caleb Williams or Drake Maye.
RE: I know some  
BleedBlue46 : 4/13/2024 9:21 pm : link
In comment 16467918 Jay on the Island said:
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will not be happy if we trade up for Maye but I personally would be thrilled. Two years ago I was jealous of the teams that would have a top 2 pick in 2024 because they would get either Caleb Williams or Drake Maye.


I wouldn't do it, but what do I know. So, I would still be happy and excited about the conviction. He undoubtedly has immense upside.
Jay, I'm with you  
UberAlias : 4/13/2024 9:29 pm : link
Drake Maye is a young prototype with massive upside. He's as close to a perfect fit for Daboll to develop as you will find. There are no guarantees, but man, when they say go get your guy --he's it.
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JoeSchoens11 : 4/13/2024 10:06 pm : link
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lineman. And they'll be so hot for him that they won't trade down very far.



Suggesting a team in the 7-10 range will trade up for OL or edge? I could see the Bears trading up from 9 to take Alt at 6, I could also see them trading up to 6 for WR. If Odunze and Nabers were on the board and we knew they were going for OT, it would be a no brainer to me. Get Odunze or Nabers at 9 plus a 2025 2nd or so.

Even with Nabors and Odunze on board, trading to 9 could easily lead to Chi taking Alt then the WRs going 7 and 8. We’d need a big return to trade one pick outside of the blue chippers.



The Titans need a tackle badly and just gave Ridley that massive contract, would be a huge surprise but not unheard of.
Fair enough. My thought is that if there is a large enough grading gap then Ten would either end up with two WR1s (a la Philly and Mia) or trade down a bit to a team that values the last of the big-3 WRs. Forcing a top-10 pick based on need seems like a poor strategy for them.
I just don't see NE trading #3.  
BigBlueNH : 4/13/2024 11:57 pm : link
Kraft has publicly stated he wants to draft a QB. If they trade to 6, there's no guarantee that McCarthy is there. They're gonna take Penix or Nix there? I doubt it.
RE: I just don't see NE trading #3.  
Darwinian : 4/14/2024 12:01 am : link
In comment 16467962 BigBlueNH said:
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Kraft has publicly stated he wants to draft a QB. If they trade to 6, there's no guarantee that McCarthy is there. They're gonna take Penix or Nix there? I doubt it.


It really depends on how they rate the remaining QB options. They may have a high grade on one and not the other two contenders. If they don't like the QBs they are probably trading down.
How do you get to be considered an asshat?  
Gruber : 4/14/2024 9:41 am : link
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If you read the tea leaves  
Dave on the UWS : 4/14/2024 9:55 am : link
you CAN make certain general assumptions.
Their FIRST choice is to trade up to 3 to get the ONE QB they think is the guy (could be Maye, could be McCarthy)

If they fails, they will “likely” take their highest rated player (likely a WR) at 6

IF someone makes them an offer for pick 6 that STILL allows them to take a premium player between 7-10, they might do that.

Anything beyond this is pure speculation.
Because of the variables this year, I’m betting Schoen is purposely leaking tidbits to muddy the waters.

We are all going to have to put our big boy pants on during that first rd.
RE: How do you get to be considered an asshat?  
blueblood : 4/14/2024 10:07 am : link
In comment 16468054 Gruber said:
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My guess is a track record of having some accurate inside information...
RE: If you read the tea leaves  
blueblood : 4/14/2024 10:09 am : link
In comment 16468067 Dave on the UWS said:
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you CAN make certain general assumptions.
Their FIRST choice is to trade up to 3 to get the ONE QB they think is the guy (could be Maye, could be McCarthy)

If they fails, they will “likely” take their highest rated player (likely a WR) at 6

IF someone makes them an offer for pick 6 that STILL allows them to take a premium player between 7-10, they might do that.



I agree with this 100% but I think the target is to get to pick 3 or 4..

RE: RE: If you read the tea leaves  
BleedBlue46 : 4/14/2024 11:45 am : link
In comment 16468075 blueblood said:
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you CAN make certain general assumptions.
Their FIRST choice is to trade up to 3 to get the ONE QB they think is the guy (could be Maye, could be McCarthy)

If they fails, they will “likely” take their highest rated player (likely a WR) at 6

IF someone makes them an offer for pick 6 that STILL allows them to take a premium player between 7-10, they might do that.





I agree with this 100% but I think the target is to get to pick 3 or 4..


Yes I belive the priority is:

1. Trade up for Maye
2. Let draft unfold to you at 6 and take bpa unless wowed by trade offer
RE: I just don't see NE trading #3.  
uther99 : 4/14/2024 6:41 pm : link
In comment 16467962 BigBlueNH said:
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Kraft has publicly stated he wants to draft a QB. If they trade to 6, there's no guarantee that McCarthy is there. They're gonna take Penix or Nix there? I doubt it.


I agree, NE has no QB right now. Are they gonna roll into 2024 with Brisset and Zappe? NE is picking a QB
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