Has become my preferred scenario. Draft is loaded with talent at those 2 spots. You hit on both and you've just completely changed your franchise.
Think about this...we're debating trade up packages which will undoubtedly include our 2025 first and possible more. If you're gonna give up resources like that why not maximize the return and take a big swing on both?
and Penix are likely going in the top 20. We'd have to give up #47, our #1 next year, and probably more to get back to that point. I don't see the Giants doing that for either of those QBs.
To top 12 (most likely 10 if they want Penix) without giving up a massive haul.
Seems the better idea is to trade up for the QB you really love and then draft one of these 2nd or 3rd round WRs in a deep draft for the position.
Unless they can't trade up for the QBs they really love (Maye, Daniels for example) because the teams above them already drafted them.
They have the best situation from teams like the Patriots or Cardinals moving down. The opposing team would only fall to 6 and still be in position to acquire a blue chip player. They do not have that ability by trading down with Las Vegas or Minnesota, for example.
To top 12 (most likely 10 if they want Penix) without giving up a massive haul.
Seems the better idea is to trade up for the QB you really love and then draft one of these 2nd or 3rd round WRs in a deep draft for the position.
Unless they can't trade up for the QBs they really love (Maye, Daniels for example) because the teams above them already drafted them.
They have the best situation from teams like the Patriots or Cardinals moving down. The opposing team would only fall to 6 and still be in position to acquire a blue chip player. They do not have that ability by trading down with Las Vegas or Minnesota, for example.
A blue chip player yes, but NE needs a blue chip QB.
Baldinger says Giants should sit tight and draft Odunze. Loves him better than Marvin Harrison, Jr. Says Giants should trade back into first round to draft Penix or Nix.
Instead of trying to trade up with packaging our 6th overall pick, 2nd round pick and our 2025 first round pick for a QB. Which would then mean walking away without an impact WR.
Sign me up with Odunze at 6. Then trade that same 2nd round pick and 2025 1st to trade up for either Nix or Penix.
This way we walk away with an elite WR and a potential long term QB for the same cost of just trying to trade up for a QB between picks 3 to 5.
Which ever QB we draft will carry a risk into developing into a Franchise QB. At least this way, we can also secure a chance at also landing a blue chip WR prospect too!
I don’t love any of the “top” qbs and am intrigued by the end tier group.
To get a potential #1 monster WR, that is also not a diva is not easy.
I had mentioned on another thread that the biggest mistake of Barkley was not drafting but it was not trading back into the first round to match him with Lavar.
This could be the similar scenario.
Get the offensive play maker and come back up for a QB that other teams may be sleeping on. I can’t find the article but I remember Schoen stating that this was a deep QB draft past the first group.
To top 12 (most likely 10 if they want Penix) without giving up a massive haul.
Seems the better idea is to trade up for the QB you really love and then draft one of these 2nd or 3rd round WRs in a deep draft for the position.
Unless they can't trade up for the QBs they really love (Maye, Daniels for example) because the teams above them already drafted them.
They have the best situation from teams like the Patriots or Cardinals moving down. The opposing team would only fall to 6 and still be in position to acquire a blue chip player. They do not have that ability by trading down with Las Vegas or Minnesota, for example.
A blue chip player yes, but NE needs a blue chip QB.
It depends who they covet. If they like JJ, for instance, he could very well be there at 6. That's a fantastic trade by NE by getting the Giants pick(s) and getting a QB they like. If they like Daniels, he may not be available and may also not like Maye. It all depends how they feel about each QB.
this would almost achieve this too. We could take Nix or Penix at #11, and then at #23 maybe we don't get Odunze or Nabers but we ould get our pick of the next guys (which is in this deep WR draft would still be very good)
for 3 months now.
looking at this from a global standpoint, it makes "sense",
that they "may" have singled out 1 QB. Trading up to 3 to (hopefully) make sure you get that guy.
Backup plan? (or 1b), you have 3 ELITE WRs who will be picked in the top 10. Pretty damn good plan B.
Now, they will still have ALL the draft capital they were planning to put into a trade up.
Using some of it to trade back into RD1 to take either Nix or Penix (he's made a 30 visit), will give them a new QB and a WR
who will completely remake the WR room.
I could absolutely get on board for this.
Has become my preferred scenario. Draft is loaded with talent at those 2 spots. You hit on both and you've just completely changed your franchise.
Think about this...we're debating trade up packages which will undoubtedly include our 2025 first and possible more. If you're gonna give up resources like that why not maximize the return and take a big swing on both?
Same here, I think there is a real legit chance we could trade up into the end of rd2 for Penix if the Vikings get Maye or JJM.
RE: If we trade back with Minny, their #11 and #23 for our 6th
this would almost achieve this too. We could take Nix or Penix at #11, and then at #23 maybe we don't get Odunze or Nabers but we ould get our pick of the next guys (which is in this deep WR draft would still be very good)
Thats a good point. Rumor is the Bears want to trade back from 9. Maybe we could snag Odunze at 9 for our 4th and pick 11. Then Penix at 23. I love that idea. It would be a bit risky, but if it worked out the potential is unreal.
To top 12 (most likely 10 if they want Penix) without giving up a massive haul.
Seems the better idea is to trade up for the QB you really love and then draft one of these 2nd or 3rd round WRs in a deep draft for the position.
Unless they can't trade up for the QBs they really love (Maye, Daniels for example) because the teams above them already drafted them.
They have the best situation from teams like the Patriots or Cardinals moving down. The opposing team would only fall to 6 and still be in position to acquire a blue chip player. They do not have that ability by trading down with Las Vegas or Minnesota, for example.
A blue chip player yes, but NE needs a blue chip QB.
It depends who they covet. If they like JJ, for instance, he could very well be there at 6. That's a fantastic trade by NE by getting the Giants pick(s) and getting a QB they like. If they like Daniels, he may not be available and may also not like Maye. It all depends how they feel about each QB.
But in that scenario there's no guarantee JJ would be there at 6. NE needs to come away with a QB is this draft, I just don't see them passing on taking one at 3.
and Penix are likely going in the top 20. We'd have to give up #47, our #1 next year, and probably more to get back to that point. I don't see the Giants doing that for either of those QBs.
I wouldn't say that is likely. Penix could very easily slide into the end of rd1. Who knows, I'd say it's one of the biggest wildcards for the first round. I like the idea of trading down with the Vikings for 11 and 23 more and more. Draft can't be here soon enough!
Just trade back up from 47…no one else will potentially be trying to get a QB…no problem…that way you get a stud WR and your QB of the future…
Issue 1: I promise the teams at the end of the 1st aren’t looking to help the giants…who’s to say the cost to move from 47. Everyone is worried about moving up from to 4 form 6, but if you notice none of the se “trade up from 47” mocks say what it will cost. So Baldinger says “Giants need to move on from DJ” but what if there isn’t a QB available.
Issue 2: People talk about a late 1st/early 2nd round QB as if it’s a guarantee it will work out. Yet so much fear that the top of the 1st QB will bust. The fact is, the single most important position is QB. If we trade assets to move up into the late 1st we will really have to hope that we get lucky and this player is a franchise QB. The data says it’s extremely unlikely.
Has become my preferred scenario. Draft is loaded with talent at those 2 spots. You hit on both and you've just completely changed your franchise.
Think about this...we're debating trade up packages which will undoubtedly include our 2025 first and possible more. If you're gonna give up resources like that why not maximize the return and take a big swing on both?
Same here, I think there is a real legit chance we could trade up into the end of rd2 for Penix if the Vikings get Maye or JJM.
Penix seems very unlikely to slide past Vegas. It's going to be costly. But there's rumors of NE setting the discussion at 3 firsts if things break down in such a way they they're willing to trade back. Any trade is going to be expensive.
Out of DJ fantasyland irrational dump-on hatred and into reality
I have no problem with the same HC, QB, real WRs including a "my ball" alpha type, RB integrated into the passing game, and a o-line that is at least somewhat better than worst ever seen on the face of the earth.
If the rest of BBI is right, I know the worst that will happen is having the 1st overall pick in next year's draft. Much prefer that to way over-drafting JJM.
Has become my preferred scenario. Draft is loaded with talent at those 2 spots. You hit on both and you've just completely changed your franchise.
Think about this...we're debating trade up packages which will undoubtedly include our 2025 first and possible more. If you're gonna give up resources like that why not maximize the return and take a big swing on both?
Same here, I think there is a real legit chance we could trade up into the end of rd2 for Penix if the Vikings get Maye or JJM.
Penix seems very unlikely to slide past Vegas. It's going to be costly. But there's rumors of NE setting the discussion at 3 firsts if things break down in such a way they they're willing to trade back. Any trade is going to be expensive.
If Penix is known to go top 13 by Schoen then trading up from 47 to 10 or 9 is not an option. It would be impossible. Only way to get Penix then is at 6 or via small trade down. I would rather Odunze or JJM at 6 over that option. And you could be right, I just checked the Raiders top 30 visits and they haven't had a visit with Arnold, Mitchell or any of the tackles so my thought based on Raider's fans preferences of OT or CB at 13 might be totally off base.
Well, if so, good luck to the Giants PR team drumming up excitement for this season.
I agree, as everyone knows here I'm a big fan of JJM and would be excited about a trade up for Maye even though I like JJM more.
Nevertheless, I can easily see us taking Odunze over JJM and rolling with Jones/Lock/Devito for 2024. I've been on the QB draft bandwagon since DJ's pick 6 against Seattle. If we can't get Maye I feel it's more likely than not that we will take Odunze and roll with the current QB room though. I'd rather prepare myself to be pleasantly surprised rather than utterly disappointed.
I think i prefer trading back up for Nix or Penix too
No to Nix for me, he has a noodle arm and would fit an offense based on timing and short to intermediate routes. I think hes a really poor fit for what Dabs wants, plus no top 30 visit (just him and cw out of the top 6 with no visit).
says Giants should move on from Daniel Jones. Says Giants should have traded for Justin Fields or signed Russell Wilson.
Wilson is not Brady. He's never winning shit again. Fields sucks. Basically hes Jones w o the injury history. They are stuck w Jones this year. . Giants if they can get a Qb at 6 they love ok. But they aren't giving Jones 40 million to not play. Easy to say shit like that when it's not your 40 mil. So they QB sit for a year.
says Giants should move on from Daniel Jones. Says Giants should have traded for Justin Fields or signed Russell Wilson.
Wilson is not Brady. He's never winning shit again. Fields sucks. Basically hes Jones w o the injury history. They are stuck w Jones this year. . Giants if they can get a Qb at 6 they love ok. But they aren't giving Jones 40 million to not play. Easy to say shit like that when it's not your 40 mil. So they QB sit for a year.
If the trade up for Maye doesn't get done I'm afraid you will be right.
The reason I like him is because of our OL, and current QB room. He can go get the ball and has done well with contested catches.
I know many are thinging trade with the Panthers and grab Nix.
Would not be shocked the Giants trade up to grab a CB.
Mara Tech always had eyes for Locke and its not far fetched for our Medium Pepsi front office to see him as a stop cap player for this season and perhaps to start next.
Sure we need a better QB, or one of the two OL who will be drafted in the first round. Additionally there are other interesting WR in this draft should we go OL, CB vs the mainstream WR/QB - QB/WR flag wavers.
The issue is we rarely do well in the later rounds, especially for keeping players into a second contact.
We have a few Beckham ish players, its time to go big body WR that is not a headcase and wants to get better.
I have no problem with the same HC, QB, real WRs including a "my ball" alpha type, RB integrated into the passing game, and a o-line that is at least somewhat better than worst ever seen on the face of the earth.
If the rest of BBI is right, I know the worst that will happen is having the 1st overall pick in next year's draft. Much prefer that to way over-drafting JJM.
Sure, lets piss away another season for unwatchable football, why not. 3 QB kneels inside our 5, not letting our QB even attempt a pass, etc.
I’m with you on trading down with Minnesota for their 2 1sts. Draft value charts indicate that trade would be very nicely in the Giants favor. They can then take Penix at 11 and a WR they really like at 23. They still have all their remaining 24 and 25 draft picks. And Penix could be one of the best QBs from this class.
I bet Schoen has talked to the Vikings about this scenario. And it’s one Minny might prefer to giving the entire vault to NE or the Cardinals.
This is an important caveat. Schoen needs to come away with one of the top six QBs. If he goes WR, he needs to land one of Penix or Nix.
You cannot go into the season with Jones-Lock-DeVito. I'm hopeful Schoen knows this.
You cannot go into the season with Jones-Lock-DeVito. I'm hopeful Schoen knows this.
No worries, he gets all of his personnel plans from BBI. I am sure he saw your post too.
Seems the better idea is to trade up for the QB you really love and then draft one of these 2nd or 3rd round WRs in a deep draft for the position.
Think about this...we're debating trade up packages which will undoubtedly include our 2025 first and possible more. If you're gonna give up resources like that why not maximize the return and take a big swing on both?
Seems the better idea is to trade up for the QB you really love and then draft one of these 2nd or 3rd round WRs in a deep draft for the position.
Unless they can't trade up for the QBs they really love (Maye, Daniels for example) because the teams above them already drafted them.
Seems the better idea is to trade up for the QB you really love and then draft one of these 2nd or 3rd round WRs in a deep draft for the position.
The latter - it absolutely is. They're losing future premium picks by moving up from the 2nd.
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To top 12 (most likely 10 if they want Penix) without giving up a massive haul.
Seems the better idea is to trade up for the QB you really love and then draft one of these 2nd or 3rd round WRs in a deep draft for the position.
Unless they can't trade up for the QBs they really love (Maye, Daniels for example) because the teams above them already drafted them.
They have the best situation from teams like the Patriots or Cardinals moving down. The opposing team would only fall to 6 and still be in position to acquire a blue chip player. They do not have that ability by trading down with Las Vegas or Minnesota, for example.
We shouldnve but would never fly with the owner
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To top 12 (most likely 10 if they want Penix) without giving up a massive haul.
Seems the better idea is to trade up for the QB you really love and then draft one of these 2nd or 3rd round WRs in a deep draft for the position.
Unless they can't trade up for the QBs they really love (Maye, Daniels for example) because the teams above them already drafted them.
They have the best situation from teams like the Patriots or Cardinals moving down. The opposing team would only fall to 6 and still be in position to acquire a blue chip player. They do not have that ability by trading down with Las Vegas or Minnesota, for example.
A blue chip player yes, but NE needs a blue chip QB.
Instead of trying to trade up with packaging our 6th overall pick, 2nd round pick and our 2025 first round pick for a QB. Which would then mean walking away without an impact WR.
Sign me up with Odunze at 6. Then trade that same 2nd round pick and 2025 1st to trade up for either Nix or Penix.
This way we walk away with an elite WR and a potential long term QB for the same cost of just trying to trade up for a QB between picks 3 to 5.
Which ever QB we draft will carry a risk into developing into a Franchise QB. At least this way, we can also secure a chance at also landing a blue chip WR prospect too!
I don’t love any of the “top” qbs and am intrigued by the end tier group.
To get a potential #1 monster WR, that is also not a diva is not easy.
I had mentioned on another thread that the biggest mistake of Barkley was not drafting but it was not trading back into the first round to match him with Lavar.
This could be the similar scenario.
Get the offensive play maker and come back up for a QB that other teams may be sleeping on. I can’t find the article but I remember Schoen stating that this was a deep QB draft past the first group.
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To top 12 (most likely 10 if they want Penix) without giving up a massive haul.
Seems the better idea is to trade up for the QB you really love and then draft one of these 2nd or 3rd round WRs in a deep draft for the position.
Unless they can't trade up for the QBs they really love (Maye, Daniels for example) because the teams above them already drafted them.
They have the best situation from teams like the Patriots or Cardinals moving down. The opposing team would only fall to 6 and still be in position to acquire a blue chip player. They do not have that ability by trading down with Las Vegas or Minnesota, for example.
A blue chip player yes, but NE needs a blue chip QB.
It depends who they covet. If they like JJ, for instance, he could very well be there at 6. That's a fantastic trade by NE by getting the Giants pick(s) and getting a QB they like. If they like Daniels, he may not be available and may also not like Maye. It all depends how they feel about each QB.
Wilson for a year would have been fine. Justin Fields is Daniel Jones - I have no use for Fields.
HATER!!!
looking at this from a global standpoint, it makes "sense",
that they "may" have singled out 1 QB. Trading up to 3 to (hopefully) make sure you get that guy.
Backup plan? (or 1b), you have 3 ELITE WRs who will be picked in the top 10. Pretty damn good plan B.
Now, they will still have ALL the draft capital they were planning to put into a trade up.
Using some of it to trade back into RD1 to take either Nix or Penix (he's made a 30 visit), will give them a new QB and a WR
who will completely remake the WR room.
I could absolutely get on board for this.
Think about this...we're debating trade up packages which will undoubtedly include our 2025 first and possible more. If you're gonna give up resources like that why not maximize the return and take a big swing on both?
Same here, I think there is a real legit chance we could trade up into the end of rd2 for Penix if the Vikings get Maye or JJM.
Thats a good point. Rumor is the Bears want to trade back from 9. Maybe we could snag Odunze at 9 for our 4th and pick 11. Then Penix at 23. I love that idea. It would be a bit risky, but if it worked out the potential is unreal.
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To top 12 (most likely 10 if they want Penix) without giving up a massive haul.
Seems the better idea is to trade up for the QB you really love and then draft one of these 2nd or 3rd round WRs in a deep draft for the position.
Unless they can't trade up for the QBs they really love (Maye, Daniels for example) because the teams above them already drafted them.
They have the best situation from teams like the Patriots or Cardinals moving down. The opposing team would only fall to 6 and still be in position to acquire a blue chip player. They do not have that ability by trading down with Las Vegas or Minnesota, for example.
A blue chip player yes, but NE needs a blue chip QB.
It depends who they covet. If they like JJ, for instance, he could very well be there at 6. That's a fantastic trade by NE by getting the Giants pick(s) and getting a QB they like. If they like Daniels, he may not be available and may also not like Maye. It all depends how they feel about each QB.
But in that scenario there's no guarantee JJ would be there at 6. NE needs to come away with a QB is this draft, I just don't see them passing on taking one at 3.
I wouldn't say that is likely. Penix could very easily slide into the end of rd1. Who knows, I'd say it's one of the biggest wildcards for the first round. I like the idea of trading down with the Vikings for 11 and 23 more and more. Draft can't be here soon enough!
Issue 1: I promise the teams at the end of the 1st aren’t looking to help the giants…who’s to say the cost to move from 47. Everyone is worried about moving up from to 4 form 6, but if you notice none of the se “trade up from 47” mocks say what it will cost. So Baldinger says “Giants need to move on from DJ” but what if there isn’t a QB available.
Issue 2: People talk about a late 1st/early 2nd round QB as if it’s a guarantee it will work out. Yet so much fear that the top of the 1st QB will bust. The fact is, the single most important position is QB. If we trade assets to move up into the late 1st we will really have to hope that we get lucky and this player is a franchise QB. The data says it’s extremely unlikely.
This is why I can’t take him seriously
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Has become my preferred scenario. Draft is loaded with talent at those 2 spots. You hit on both and you've just completely changed your franchise.
Think about this...we're debating trade up packages which will undoubtedly include our 2025 first and possible more. If you're gonna give up resources like that why not maximize the return and take a big swing on both?
Same here, I think there is a real legit chance we could trade up into the end of rd2 for Penix if the Vikings get Maye or JJM.
Penix seems very unlikely to slide past Vegas. It's going to be costly. But there's rumors of NE setting the discussion at 3 firsts if things break down in such a way they they're willing to trade back. Any trade is going to be expensive.
I have no problem with the same HC, QB, real WRs including a "my ball" alpha type, RB integrated into the passing game, and a o-line that is at least somewhat better than worst ever seen on the face of the earth.
If the rest of BBI is right, I know the worst that will happen is having the 1st overall pick in next year's draft. Much prefer that to way over-drafting JJM.
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Giants should trade back into first round to draft Penix or Nix.
This is an important caveat. Schoen needs to come away with one of the top six QBs. If he goes WR, he needs to land one of Penix or Nix.
You cannot go into the season with Jones-Lock-DeVito. I'm hopeful Schoen knows this. [/quote
I am sure he does. You post it everyday.
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Has become my preferred scenario. Draft is loaded with talent at those 2 spots. You hit on both and you've just completely changed your franchise.
Think about this...we're debating trade up packages which will undoubtedly include our 2025 first and possible more. If you're gonna give up resources like that why not maximize the return and take a big swing on both?
Same here, I think there is a real legit chance we could trade up into the end of rd2 for Penix if the Vikings get Maye or JJM.
Penix seems very unlikely to slide past Vegas. It's going to be costly. But there's rumors of NE setting the discussion at 3 firsts if things break down in such a way they they're willing to trade back. Any trade is going to be expensive.
If Penix is known to go top 13 by Schoen then trading up from 47 to 10 or 9 is not an option. It would be impossible. Only way to get Penix then is at 6 or via small trade down. I would rather Odunze or JJM at 6 over that option. And you could be right, I just checked the Raiders top 30 visits and they haven't had a visit with Arnold, Mitchell or any of the tackles so my thought based on Raider's fans preferences of OT or CB at 13 might be totally off base.
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Giants should trade back into first round to draft Penix or Nix.
This is an important caveat. Schoen needs to come away with one of the top six QBs. If he goes WR, he needs to land one of Penix or Nix.
You cannot go into the season with Jones-Lock-DeVito. I'm hopeful Schoen knows this. [/quote
I am sure he does. You post it everyday.
We absolutely can go with that QB room, it wouldn't be that exciting or fun as fans, but it's a very real--borderline likely--possibility.
I agree, as everyone knows here I'm a big fan of JJM and would be excited about a trade up for Maye even though I like JJM more.
Nevertheless, I can easily see us taking Odunze over JJM and rolling with Jones/Lock/Devito for 2024. I've been on the QB draft bandwagon since DJ's pick 6 against Seattle. If we can't get Maye I feel it's more likely than not that we will take Odunze and roll with the current QB room though. I'd rather prepare myself to be pleasantly surprised rather than utterly disappointed.
No to Nix for me, he has a noodle arm and would fit an offense based on timing and short to intermediate routes. I think hes a really poor fit for what Dabs wants, plus no top 30 visit (just him and cw out of the top 6 with no visit).
Wilson is not Brady. He's never winning shit again. Fields sucks. Basically hes Jones w o the injury history. They are stuck w Jones this year. . Giants if they can get a Qb at 6 they love ok. But they aren't giving Jones 40 million to not play. Easy to say shit like that when it's not your 40 mil. So they QB sit for a year.
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says Giants should move on from Daniel Jones. Says Giants should have traded for Justin Fields or signed Russell Wilson.
Wilson is not Brady. He's never winning shit again. Fields sucks. Basically hes Jones w o the injury history. They are stuck w Jones this year. . Giants if they can get a Qb at 6 they love ok. But they aren't giving Jones 40 million to not play. Easy to say shit like that when it's not your 40 mil. So they QB sit for a year.
If the trade up for Maye doesn't get done I'm afraid you will be right.
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Agree..
These WRs have never had a great QB, who knows what they could be.
I know many are thinging trade with the Panthers and grab Nix.
Would not be shocked the Giants trade up to grab a CB.
Mara Tech always had eyes for Locke and its not far fetched for our Medium Pepsi front office to see him as a stop cap player for this season and perhaps to start next.
Sure we need a better QB, or one of the two OL who will be drafted in the first round. Additionally there are other interesting WR in this draft should we go OL, CB vs the mainstream WR/QB - QB/WR flag wavers.
The issue is we rarely do well in the later rounds, especially for keeping players into a second contact.
We have a few Beckham ish players, its time to go big body WR that is not a headcase and wants to get better.
Whoever we take please let me the right choice.
I have no problem with the same HC, QB, real WRs including a "my ball" alpha type, RB integrated into the passing game, and a o-line that is at least somewhat better than worst ever seen on the face of the earth.
If the rest of BBI is right, I know the worst that will happen is having the 1st overall pick in next year's draft. Much prefer that to way over-drafting JJM.
Sure, lets piss away another season for unwatchable football, why not. 3 QB kneels inside our 5, not letting our QB even attempt a pass, etc.
Stupid is as stupid does.
I bet Schoen has talked to the Vikings about this scenario. And it’s one Minny might prefer to giving the entire vault to NE or the Cardinals.
Let’s see.