in and of itself is meaningless, being the #1 seed overall does mean home ice throughout the playoffs including if you reach the SCF and that does mean something to a lot of teams. Having a home game 7 can be a big advantage.
I mean the Rangers blew it in loser fashion in 2015 on home ice game 7, the last two game 7s in the SCF were those snoozer fests with Boston vs Vancouver, then Boston vs St Louis, both times the home team got their teeth knocked down their throats.
oh hell yes, that Vancouver series was downright bizarre
They had completely dominated the play through four games. Vancouver's one win, game 1, came in OT. Rangers outshot the Canucks 54-31 but McLean played the game of his life to keep them in. Gelinas scored with less than a minute left to tie it. Then, in OT, Leetch banged one off the crossbar which then came flying straight back to the blue line where Greg Adams picked it up for a breakway to win. They couldn't buy a break in that game.
Game 5, they're coming home for the coronation. Vancouver comes out desperate, takes the early lead, adds two more to go up 3-0 in the third. The Rangers finally woke up, storm back and tie it. 29 seconds later, they give the lead right back (to Dave fuckin' Babych, of all people) and two more goals in the next three minutes. Then came their worst game of the series, Game 6.
In fairness, 1994 Vancouver was a very resilient team that had already come back from a 3-1 series deficit against the Flames in the first round. Classic case of a mediocre team that got hot in the playoffs.
in and of itself is meaningless, being the #1 seed overall does mean home ice throughout the playoffs including if you reach the SCF and that does mean something to a lot of teams. Having a home game 7 can be a big advantage.
I mean the Rangers blew it in loser fashion in 2015 on home ice game 7, the last two game 7s in the SCF were those snoozer fests with Boston vs Vancouver, then Boston vs St Louis, both times the home team got their teeth knocked down their throats.
I acknowledged there is no correlation to winning and being the 1 seed, but you ask any of these players and coaches and fans and front offices - everyone would prefer a home game 7 given the choice.
that said, to my point before...it really doesn't matter. there are no easy games or easy series and health IMO matters more than games played. Sometimes winning game 7's and OT's galvanize a team - having dealt with adversity and spurs them on to a cup, sometimes it drains them emotionally. but in peak prime condition, like we discussed before I think these guys can play 28 games (worst case) in 60 days, more like 70 probably and not be much different than if they played 20 or 24 games.
The average cup winner probably plays 24 playoff games (my guess), so it's 4-5 games you're worried about.
The most playoff games ever played I believe was 26.
The Stars played 27 in 2019-2020 and lost to TBL in the finals but that was the weird COVID year with all the play-ins. they only had one series go 7 in that 27-game "playoffs"
in and of itself is meaningless, being the #1 seed overall does mean home ice throughout the playoffs including if you reach the SCF and that does mean something to a lot of teams. Having a home game 7 can be a big advantage.
the President's trophy has not been a predictor of success however. CHI in 2013 was the last #1 seed to win the cup and since 1986 the #1 seed has only won the cup 8 times. One of those 8 was the NYR in 1994.
And I'll note 2013 was a strike year - so they did not play 82 games.
in and of itself is meaningless, being the #1 seed overall does mean home ice throughout the playoffs including if you reach the SCF and that does mean something to a lot of teams. Having a home game 7 can be a big advantage.
I mean the Rangers blew it in loser fashion in 2015 on home ice game 7, the last two game 7s in the SCF were those snoozer fests with Boston vs Vancouver, then Boston vs St Louis, both times the home team got their teeth knocked down their throats.
Boston VAN was a snooze fest? Speak for yourself :)
1994 reminder--the Rangers went 7-1 over the first 2 playoff rounds, sweeping the Isles and taking 4-5 from the caps. Then they played two wars against NJ and Van.
Its not easy winning 4 brutal playoff rounds. One needs to look no further than the Rangers postseasons throughout the 2000s.
If the Rangers can't beat the Red Wings/Capitals/Flyers in 4 or 5, they're probably not going the distance. They should dominate those teams if they play them.
I think it's important to have one early round: 1. Indicator the team is good. 2. Helps avoid injuries (an additional game played increases injury risk. 3. Lets the injured guys rest up.
Looked the past Cup winners up:
-Vegas lost 1, 2, 2, 1.
-Avs year before 0, 2, 0, 2.
-Lighting 2, 1, 3, 1.
-Lighting 1, 1, 2, 2.
-STL 2, 3, 2, 3.
If you look recent years the total games have been lower, but go back to STL - 26 games- and they won a road game 7 to win the cup. The most they could have played was 28 games obviously. They had two series go 6 games and 2 go 7 games. There are a lot of 24's, 25's. etc. in here for cup winners.
I don't think it's makes as big a deal as some of you.
Obviously everyone's preference is to win in as few games as possible - that's just common sense, but I don't think it's an indicator or predictor.
will turn on whether the first line (thanks for clarification Greg) carry their weight and are not dead weight, not only in a blowout win or two, but every game of every Series. If Zib and Kreider can't or won't dial up their want to and intensity vs other teams' #1 or #2 lines, and play them even or better, the Playoffs will be frustrating. You can't bet on winning the Cup if only one line, one of your 'top' lines, is playing hell for leather. That's not been the 'top' line's forte this season or SCP prior two seasons.
before but the SC winner something like 24 of the past 25 years was the team who led the playoffs in 5v5 goals.
Part of this is just common sense, they often played the most games, but it's not always that simple.
In this case I do think there could be a causal relationship. I am a firm believer you cannot win in the playoffs without good specials (NYR are 3rd in both - CAR and TBL only other teams in top 5 in both - CAR 1/2), but you win the cup at 5v5 (and with good goaltending).
It doesn't need to be Mika Kreider line, but someone needs to score at even strength.
act like the Presidents Trophy is cursed? I've never understood that. It's only been awarded the last 38 years before this one. And 8 of the 38 years the team that won the trophy won the cup, that's actually a pretty high percentage.
I do not get why he will not shoot the fucking puck this year
Pass never crossed my mind as an option. So much so I thought his "shot" went off a Senators skate to Panarin. I couldn't believe it when I realized it was a pass.
act like the Presidents Trophy is cursed? I've never understood that. It's only been awarded the last 38 years before this one. And 8 of the 38 years the team that won the trophy won the cup, that's actually a pretty high percentage.
it's not cursed, it's just not correlated to winning the cup in any meaningful way. I'd rather win it than not though.
I wouldn't touch the Wales Trophy because that's a superstition I believe in, but that's a team/team captain call and not a curse either - teams have won doing both.
act like the Presidents Trophy is cursed? I've never understood that. It's only been awarded the last 38 years before this one. And 8 of the 38 years the team that won the trophy won the cup, that's actually a pretty high percentage.
Exactly.
Last I checked, making the playoffs without desperate times, ensuring home ice and building confidence on the backs of a great record are all good things that come from the best NHL regular season record. People try to find worry in anything.
I mean the Rangers blew it in loser fashion in 2015 on home ice game 7, the last two game 7s in the SCF were those snoozer fests with Boston vs Vancouver, then Boston vs St Louis, both times the home team got their teeth knocked down their throats.
Game 5, they're coming home for the coronation. Vancouver comes out desperate, takes the early lead, adds two more to go up 3-0 in the third. The Rangers finally woke up, storm back and tie it. 29 seconds later, they give the lead right back (to Dave fuckin' Babych, of all people) and two more goals in the next three minutes. Then came their worst game of the series, Game 6.
In fairness, 1994 Vancouver was a very resilient team that had already come back from a 3-1 series deficit against the Flames in the first round. Classic case of a mediocre team that got hot in the playoffs.
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#NYR morning skate lineup:
Panarin - Trocheck - Laf
Kreider - Zib - Roslovic
Cuylle - Wennberg - Kakko
Vesey - Goodrow - Rempe
Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Schneider
Gus - Trouba
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in and of itself is meaningless, being the #1 seed overall does mean home ice throughout the playoffs including if you reach the SCF and that does mean something to a lot of teams. Having a home game 7 can be a big advantage.
I mean the Rangers blew it in loser fashion in 2015 on home ice game 7, the last two game 7s in the SCF were those snoozer fests with Boston vs Vancouver, then Boston vs St Louis, both times the home team got their teeth knocked down their throats.
I acknowledged there is no correlation to winning and being the 1 seed, but you ask any of these players and coaches and fans and front offices - everyone would prefer a home game 7 given the choice.
that said, to my point before...it really doesn't matter. there are no easy games or easy series and health IMO matters more than games played. Sometimes winning game 7's and OT's galvanize a team - having dealt with adversity and spurs them on to a cup, sometimes it drains them emotionally. but in peak prime condition, like we discussed before I think these guys can play 28 games (worst case) in 60 days, more like 70 probably and not be much different than if they played 20 or 24 games.
The average cup winner probably plays 24 playoff games (my guess), so it's 4-5 games you're worried about.
The most playoff games ever played I believe was 26.
The Stars played 27 in 2019-2020 and lost to TBL in the finals but that was the weird COVID year with all the play-ins. they only had one series go 7 in that 27-game "playoffs"
the President's trophy has not been a predictor of success however. CHI in 2013 was the last #1 seed to win the cup and since 1986 the #1 seed has only won the cup 8 times. One of those 8 was the NYR in 1994.
And I'll note 2013 was a strike year - so they did not play 82 games.
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in and of itself is meaningless, being the #1 seed overall does mean home ice throughout the playoffs including if you reach the SCF and that does mean something to a lot of teams. Having a home game 7 can be a big advantage.
I mean the Rangers blew it in loser fashion in 2015 on home ice game 7, the last two game 7s in the SCF were those snoozer fests with Boston vs Vancouver, then Boston vs St Louis, both times the home team got their teeth knocked down their throats.
Boston VAN was a snooze fest? Speak for yourself :)
Either way, it all goes out the window come playoff time. Home ICE, away ice. Gold jacket, green jacket.
#NYR morning skate lineup:...
Panarin - Trocheck - Laf
huh, how many days (weeks?) has Zib's line been listed as 2nd? We all know the 2nd is the first, but I hadn't realized it had been formalized.
#NYR morning skate lineup:...
Panarin - Trocheck - Brett sucks
Hi Jints.
Mercogliano clarified later that putting the Bread line on top was his own personal choice
1994 reminder--the Rangers went 7-1 over the first 2 playoff rounds, sweeping the Isles and taking 4-5 from the caps. Then they played two wars against NJ and Van.
Its not easy winning 4 brutal playoff rounds. One needs to look no further than the Rangers postseasons throughout the 2000s.
I think it's important to have one early round: 1. Indicator the team is good. 2. Helps avoid injuries (an additional game played increases injury risk. 3. Lets the injured guys rest up.
Looked the past Cup winners up:
-Vegas lost 1, 2, 2, 1.
-Avs year before 0, 2, 0, 2.
-Lighting 2, 1, 3, 1.
-Lighting 1, 1, 2, 2.
-STL 2, 3, 2, 3.
If you look recent years the total games have been lower, but go back to STL - 26 games- and they won a road game 7 to win the cup. The most they could have played was 28 games obviously. They had two series go 6 games and 2 go 7 games. There are a lot of 24's, 25's. etc. in here for cup winners.
I don't think it's makes as big a deal as some of you.
Obviously everyone's preference is to win in as few games as possible - that's just common sense, but I don't think it's an indicator or predictor.
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Part of this is just common sense, they often played the most games, but it's not always that simple.
In this case I do think there could be a causal relationship. I am a firm believer you cannot win in the playoffs without good specials (NYR are 3rd in both - CAR and TBL only other teams in top 5 in both - CAR 1/2), but you win the cup at 5v5 (and with good goaltending).
It doesn't need to be Mika Kreider line, but someone needs to score at even strength.
They look good so far. Nice to see them come out with some fire in the first
Pass never crossed my mind as an option. So much so I thought his "shot" went off a Senators skate to Panarin. I couldn't believe it when I realized it was a pass.
it's not cursed, it's just not correlated to winning the cup in any meaningful way. I'd rather win it than not though.
I wouldn't touch the Wales Trophy because that's a superstition I believe in, but that's a team/team captain call and not a curse either - teams have won doing both.
If PHI wins it gets complicated, but a PHI win would give life to DET and PIT.
a PHI win and DET win (of any type), would mean NYR play DET.
Those are cake matchups - WAS, DET or PHI IMO. PIT harder, but they got the easier matchups when NYI clinched the 3 seed.
I'm rooting for Detroit to make it. "no easy series" my ass, Rangers in three and Panarin munching on raw octopus between shifts.
Pittsburgh scares me. Way more than the Islanders would have. Imagine living in fear of Cal Clutterbuck lol.
Detroit is not a juggernaut nor is PHI but I’d rather face WAS
Detroit is not a juggernaut nor is PHI but I’d rather face WAS
I think Detroit has been one of the worst teams in the league since the deadline. And their goaltending isn't very good.
But frankly, either one is fine.
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Exactly.
Last I checked, making the playoffs without desperate times, ensuring home ice and building confidence on the backs of a great record are all good things that come from the best NHL regular season record. People try to find worry in anything.
You literally could not have drawn up a better regular season for the NYR. Everyone buys this back in October and without a moment's hesitation.
Someone has to win this god damned fucking cup. Why not the best team in hockey this season.
You literally could not have drawn up a better regular season for the NYR. Everyone buys this back in October and without a moment's hesitation.
Someone has to win this god damned fucking cup. Why not the best team in hockey this season.
You got that right. They certainly took over after we knew the 2023 Giants would be a complete waste of time.