Have the Giants Really Been Bad About NOT Drafting QBs?

It is where they are drafted. When you grab a QB in the 4th round or later, you are often getting a guy whose ceiling is likely backup. The Giants have not taken a run at starters in the first or second outside of 2004 and 2019 (if memory serves).

The Giants are almost certainly one of the five worst quarterbacked teams since about 2016.

You can understand why Kansas City, Green Bay, Baltimore, Dallas haven't drafted many. They've had highly productive QBs. I'd still draft QBs if I were them, but their QB situations have been light years better than the Giants'.

The problem is the Giants have pursued no alternatives to Jones since he was drafted

This mirrored the team’s approach to Eli when he was drafted and we only started spending picks when it became obvious he was aging. Webb, Lauletta & finally Jones.

In comment 16469109 Go Terps said:

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The Giants are almost certainly one of the five worst quarterbacked teams since about 2016. You can understand why Kansas City, Green Bay, Baltimore, Dallas haven't drafted many. They've had highly productive QBs. I'd still draft QBs if I were them, but their QB situations have been light years better than the Giants'.

The Packers did draft a qb- Jordan Love

In comment 16469109 Go Terps said:

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The Giants are almost certainly one of the five worst quarterbacked teams since about 2016. You can understand why Kansas City, Green Bay, Baltimore, Dallas haven't drafted many. They've had highly productive QBs. I'd still draft QBs if I were them, but their QB situations have been light years better than the Giants'.

This. The Giants have been awful at drafting QBs. These are the first round investments since Simms:

1979 - Simms (first round)
1992 - Brown (first round via supplemental)
2004 - Manning (first round via draft)
2019 - Jones (first round)

They don't even try. Eli had a long career here so I know that impacts it, but they waited too long to find his replacement.

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The Maras clearly view the QB position as something akin to the US Senate. It's not just about throwing the football and operating the offense. They buy into the "face of the franchise" BS as much as anyone.

is not about drafting QB's it's about knowing when the QB you have is not the right one.

There is a difference between drafting Max Duggan in the 7th round and picking a QB in the 1st round. From what I can see your list does not differentiate the two.

Many teams for obvious reasons seem to exhaust all chances before replacing their QB they have in the QB1 role.

In comment 16469109 Go Terps said:

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The Giants are almost certainly one of the five worst quarterbacked teams since about 2016. You can understand why Kansas City, Green Bay, Baltimore, Dallas haven't drafted many. They've had highly productive QBs. I'd still draft QBs if I were them, but their QB situations have been light years better than the Giants'.

One can easily make the argument that the Giants have been trying to win games with back-up level QB play since 2017, with Eli's declining play and then Jones. Can't imagine a clearer example of tying our own hands behind our back. Total disregard for production a team needs from the most important position on sports.

In comment 16469514 Darwinian said:

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In comment 16469109 Go Terps said: Quote: The Giants are almost certainly one of the five worst quarterbacked teams since about 2016. You can understand why Kansas City, Green Bay, Baltimore, Dallas haven't drafted many. They've had highly productive QBs. I'd still draft QBs if I were them, but their QB situations have been light years better than the Giants'. One can easily make the argument that the Giants have been trying to win games with back-up level QB play since 2017, with Eli's declining play and then Jones. Can't imagine a clearer example of tying our own hands behind our back. Total disregard for production a team needs from the most important position on sports.

And over reliance on 1 game ;
"If what I saw from (Eli) in Philadelphia wasn't a mirage, we're going to keep moving."

In comment 16469357 Go Terps said:

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The Maras clearly view the QB position as something akin to the US Senate. It's not just about throwing the football and operating the offense. They buy into the "face of the franchise" BS as much as anyone.

SCotUS and QBotNYG, both appointments for life 😂

The Giants drafted developmental backups in 2008 and 2009 so I'd be curious what the numbers looked like if we did it since 2008. Also, do you count DeVito because he made the roster?

...IMV, that they held on one year too long.
I don't care about the hand wringing of ownership involvement. The who or why is irrelevant, someone was enamored with 2022 and convinced others that a contract was a good idea.

In first chart below, the first number is the number of QBs drafted by NFL team from 2010 - 2023; the second number is the average spot in the draft these QBs were taken.

To be read: The New York Giants have selected 4 QBs over the past 14 years and the average of where they were selected is equal to the 78th selection, the 6th highest in the NFL.

Teams Ranked by the Average Selection (Pick) # of QB
1. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 3 / 46
2. Cleveland Browns 7 / 59
3. Houston Texans 5 / 74
4. Carolina Panthers 6 / 75
5. Seattle Seahawks 1 / 75
6. New York Giants 4 / 78
7. Los Angeles Rams 5 / 87
8. Washington Commanders 5 / 90
9.New York Jets 8 / 93
10. Las Vegas Raiders 4 / 96
11.Arizona Cardinals 6 / 102
12. Philadelphia Eagles 7 / 103
13. Minnesota Vikings 5 / 104
14. Chicago Bears 5 / 107
15. Cincinnati Bengals 5 / 111
16. Jacksonville Jaguars 7 / 112
17 Tennessee Titans 8 / 113
18. Kansas City Chiefs 4 / 118
19 Buffalo Bills 6 / 118
20. Indianapolis Colts 5 / 120
21. Miami Dolphins 4 / 121
22. New England Patriots 8 / 123
23. Denver Broncos 7 / 127
24. Pittsburgh Steelers 6 / 135
25. Green Bay Packers 4 / 141
26. San Francisco 49ers 6 / 142
27. Baltimore Ravens 4 / 151
28. Detroit Lions 3 / 158
29. Los Angeles Chargers 5 / 160
30. Atlanta Falcons 2 / 162
31. New Orleans Saints 5 / 163
32. Dallas Cowboys 3 / 179


43 QBs have been selected in Round One (2010 - 2023) by 26 NFL teams:

Cleveland Browns 3
Jacksonville Jaguars 3
Arizona Cardinals 2
Buffalo Bills 2
Carolina Panthers 2
Chicago Bears 2
Denver Broncos 2
Houston Texans 2
Indianapolis Colts 2
Los Angeles Rams 2
Miami Dolphins 2
Minnesota Vikings 2
New York Jets 2
Tennessee Titans 2
Washington Commanders 2
Baltimore Ravens 1
Cincinnati Bengals 1
Green Bay Packers 1
Kansas City Chiefs 1
Los Angeles Chargers 1
New England Patriots 1
New York Giants 1
Philadelphia Eagles 1
Pittsburgh Steelers 1
San Francisco 49ers 1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1

because the Giants have never been interested in benching either Eli or Daniel Jones. So even if there was superb QB depth on the roster through draft selections those players would never have been allowed to emerge in any kind of meaningful way.

But aside from that, teams don't have the luxury of drafting backup QB's when their roster continues to have significant holes.