Drafting a franchise QB: Nature vs. Nurture

There are some QBs who are going to succeed regardless of how they're handled or the situation they are put in, and there are QBs who will fail regardless. But more often than people realize, there are QBs who have the potential to succeed, but it's not a given.

There is a learning curve for every QB coming into the NFL. When teams botch things during that development, you can destroy a guys confidence, mechanics, build bad habits, etc. Some of the QBs who didn't pan out who we automatically assume were bad, this likely likely has more to do with it than fans realize.

It depends. I don't think it's ideal to throw a young QB into the deep end of the pool. It's a coaching decision, which can only be arrived at when the QB is "in house" and they (the coaches) can assess. In the case of the NYG, I would trust Daboll, Kafka and Tierney. A staff that could get DeVito "coached up" and ready to play representative football mid-season certainly has earned credibility. Plug and Play rookie QB's are rare. It's possible, but very rare.

I trust our staff to do what is right in the case of a rookie QB. We'll know how that plays out during training camp and pre-season.

It's all from the eyebrows up, and not intelligence necessarily. It's an attitude: I'm the man, I'm gonna kick your ass, natural confident leader, a guy who doesn't usually get the "yips", etc.

Take Drake Maye as an example: the two realistic extremes he could become are Josh Allen or Blaine Gabbert.

Look up Gabbert: his pre draft stuff is very similar to both, and he was picked 10th, he started his rookie year, but has been a back-up since. He was still in the NFL as of 2023. I always thought he should have been better . . . he had everything a coah/GM would want in a QB.

I think Mahomes would be great anywhere, but I don’t know if he could have landed in a better spot than in KC and Reid. Would he be THE Patrick Mahomes elsewhere? I don’t know.

who will thrive in almost any situation they are thrust in, the rest need to be in the right situation. Playing for an organization that has the right support structure, plays to their QB’s strengths, and are patient with growing pains.

Looking at recent history, Pat Mahomes would probably be great a no matter where he landed, but would Josh Allen have thrived in any situation? Maybe, but I thin the support he got in Buffalo, plus the relative lack of media glare, we’re instrumental in him becoming the player he is.

How would we talk about Phil if he had been paired with Walsh and Rice? This is a great discussion. It’s all of it. What if Joe Montana somehow ended up with expansion Tampa Bay or has been drafted by the Aints. ‘Member the paper bags?

Incorrect spellings and grammar are on purpose here.

I don’t think Mahomes would have worked the same everywhere. Mahomes is kind of a baby and Reid is absolutely the perfect coach for him. I suspect Mahomes gets a lot of nurturing.

Millionaire babies.

but there aren't 32 franchise QBs. Giants fans should know, how many franchise QBs have we had in our storied history? We don't have any now.

the NFL is about talent acquisition. So, nature will/should always take precedence.

The nurture part is very important. But if the QB can't execute the throw, all of the nurturing in the world means nothing.

As for the Reid-Mahomes relationship, I don't underestimate how important Reid is, but Mahomes IS THE PLAYBOOK. And Reid knows it. Because without the otherworldly talent that Mahomes is, Reid's playbook is more pamphlet than "War & Peace".

In comment 16469190 56goat said:

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but there aren't 32 franchise QBs. Giants fans should know, how many franchise QBs have we had in our storied history? We don't have any now.

That is very true. But I guess the question is, how many guys could have been "franchise QBs" given the right situation?

teams at the top of a draft normally suck barring there was a very fortunate trade for a good team.

Had Jones come to us and we at least had the OL intact and Barkley we are trying to see how we can get into the contending class of the NFL.

David Carr was ruined by poor OL play in Houston. Andrew Luck was ruined by inept front office moves and ownership. Goff in Detroit ... etc etc etc

In comment 16469420 MotownGIANTS said:

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teams at the top of a draft normally suck barring there was a very fortunate trade for a good team. Had Jones come to us and we at least had the OL intact and Barkley we are trying to see how we can get into the contending class of the NFL. David Carr was ruined by poor OL play in Houston. Andrew Luck was ruined by inept front office moves and ownership. Goff in Detroit ... etc etc etc

That QBs not selected by a one of the worst teams have a better situation to succeed - is surely a historical explanation for the failure of (some) top picks and success of (some) later picks.