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If healthy, does Daniel Jones believe he’s the best starting quarterback option for the Giants in 2024? “Yes, I do,” he said firmly and then smiled.
but a stinger is not a "normal" thing when you have had a previous neck injury. That becomes far more relevant and potentially serious and considering how different the two neck injuries were (one was a head on, head down collision, the other was getting hit in the back) it says to me the internal structure of his cervical spine (something I am very aware of after two different fusion surgeries covering three levels) is susceptible to injury more easily than before. This isn't a nothing deal..
However, his knee could be our excuse to not put him on the field this year at least early on..
No reason not to expect that given his salary and an all-pro level left tackle.
Thats probably what it takes for Giants to keep him. And I m one that wanted to give him every chance but if I had a choice we d move on. But if it turns out he s our best option I ll cheer my ass off for him.
His neck has nothing to do with his processing and ability to read defenses…can’t wait until this guy is gone.
Hard to process when you have 1.5 seconds. I know this was a concern out of college for him, but he deserves a 6th chance to play with a proper line and better receivers.
No reason not to expect that given his salary and an all-pro level left tackle.
Thats probably what it takes for Giants to keep him. And I m one that wanted to give him every chance but if I had a choice we d move on. But if it turns out he s our best option I ll cheer my ass off for him.
Absolutely, nothing but good can come from him playing well. And for the record, if it were up to me I would take JJM or Penix or Maye and cut DJ as soon as possible. Nevertheless, I can see building the team up and rolling with DJ/Lock as a real possibility. I'd rather prepare myself as a fan for that, knowing none of this is in my control, rather than irrationally freaking out over something I can't control. We are all just fans and it's just a game, afterall.
but a stinger is not a "normal" thing when you have had a previous neck injury. That becomes far more relevant and potentially serious and considering how different the two neck injuries were (one was a head on, head down collision, the other was getting hit in the back) it says to me the internal structure of his cervical spine (something I am very aware of after two different fusion surgeries covering three levels) is susceptible to injury more easily than before. This isn't a nothing deal..
However, his knee could be our excuse to not put him on the field this year at least early on..
+1. A stinger is more normal when you are the hitter, not the hittee
It’s like a faith healing revival in the run up to the draft when all the injured and vulnerable to be replaced vets all stand up and proclaim they are healed.
No reason not to expect that given his salary and an all-pro level left tackle.
I get this is what he should be producing, and if he is given a shot . . . what if you get 80% of this per se. It's not QB hell, but it's like that old ESPN commercial:
The elevator opens, the person waiting says going up, the NJ Devil on the elevator shakes his head no, the gut waiting just backs away . . . it's very close to hell.
Paul Schwartz
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If healthy, does Daniel Jones believe he’s the best starting quarterback option for the Giants in 2024? “Yes, I do,” he said firmly and then smiled.
Great question, Paul. What is he going to say? "I really like Tommy. The offense looked better when he was playing. I should probably be backing him up."
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Ricky Gervais telling a pissed off Hollywood all abouts itself is actually a solid analog for your presence here... [/quote]
I can't believe we're still getting this face of the franchise horseshit.
"Face of the franchise" is like "Once a Giant, Always a Giant"...it's a lame branding attempt to distract from the sad reality of the football on the field.
but a stinger is not a "normal" thing when you have had a previous neck injury. That becomes far more relevant and potentially serious and considering how different the two neck injuries were (one was a head on, head down collision, the other was getting hit in the back) it says to me the internal structure of his cervical spine (something I am very aware of after two different fusion surgeries covering three levels) is susceptible to injury more easily than before. This isn't a nothing deal..
However, his knee could be our excuse to not put him on the field this year at least early on..
With their first round pick, the NY Football Giants select a non-QB.
With their second round pick, the NY Football Giants select a non-QB.
With the rest of their picks, the NY Football Giants select more non-QBs.
The Daniel Jones Experience continues...
Assuming this happens (which is certainly likely), I wish one of our beats or someone in the National media would follow up the expected quote "We have full confidence in Daniel." with one simple question.
I think we’ll take a QB in the draft. But if we don’t, at least there has to be a QB competition between Jones and Lock. Daniel shouldn’t just be handed the job.
This thread is going to turn sideways as they always do.
But the bottom line is - Sy compared Odunze to Larry Fitzgerald. There's a chance we could draft that guy instead of a QB and that decision might ultimately be a good one.
Giants will try like hell to get their top QB target. But it might not happen.
Oh joy, another season that will be over in October
This thread is going to turn sideways as they always do.
But the bottom line is - Sy compared Odunze to Larry Fitzgerald. There's a chance we could draft that guy instead of a QB and that decision might ultimately be a good one.
Giants will try like hell to get their top QB target. But it might not happen.
I think everyone knows this is a very real possibility. But let's assume Daniel Jones' first five years are a good approximation of his sixth year. At what point do you realize nothing is going to improve until you replace the guy who touches the ball every play?
Is this a bad day for you? Do you want his career to be over and are you so sure that Lock is better? I don't think him being healthy changes what the Giants are going to do one bit. If they want a QB and can get one they'll do that wether he's hurt or healthy. If they get one you're likely going to have to hold your nose for at least a few weeks cause Jones will likely start the season. If they don't get a rookie you may have to hold your nose all year. There still the Giants though and the team of the vast majority of this board so each Sunday we root for a W no matter who wears the jersey, yes?
I think we’ll take a QB in the draft. But if we don’t, at least there has to be a QB competition between Jones and Lock. Daniel shouldn’t just be handed the job.
Imagine JJM and Penix turn into legit franchise QBs and we could have had either with no tradeups. DJ is mediocre (15-20tds with half as many ints, shy of 200ypg) enough to have us in the 12-20 pick range.
Sounds weird to say but I never thought the neck stuff was a long term issue
I agree. I think fans over complicate injuries and always look at worst case scenario. Very few players have career ending neck injuries, yet many play with them. Peyton’s seemed way worse and he came back. I don’t think it’s the risk that many claim it to be.
All that being said, we need to move on from Jones.
Why are people mad that he says his neck is healthy
If we draft a QB, these kids are the type that should sit a year anyway. If we draft a WR everyone can either see him succeed or fail. The debate will be over. He will have his WR most likely and an improved OL.
I personally think the Giants best option is to draft a WR. If DJ is as bad as people expect we can get a rookie QB next season and have a better supporting cast in place. Just like its hard to get a great QB, its equally as hard to get a great WR. We could use both, take the better option at 6. Maybe we can also do a slight trade down and still get the player we want.
but a stinger is not a "normal" thing when you have had a previous neck injury. That becomes far more relevant and potentially serious and considering how different the two neck injuries were (one was a head on, head down collision, the other was getting hit in the back) it says to me the internal structure of his cervical spine (something I am very aware of after two different fusion surgeries covering three levels) is susceptible to injury more easily than before. This isn't a nothing deal..
However, his knee could be our excuse to not put him on the field this year at least early on..
Are you an orthopedic surgeon?
Not sure what you are trying to imply, the point I am making is we can use recovering from a knee injury as an excuse to have him on the PUP for a bit and then to keep him on the bench. That seems pretty like a pretty standard option...
RE: Why are people mad that he says his neck is healthy
If we draft a QB, these kids are the type that should sit a year anyway. If we draft a WR everyone can either see him succeed or fail. The debate will be over. He will have his WR most likely and an improved OL.
I personally think the Giants best option is to draft a WR. If DJ is as bad as people expect we can get a rookie QB next season and have a better supporting cast in place. Just like its hard to get a great QB, its equally as hard to get a great WR. We could use both, take the better option at 6. Maybe we can also do a slight trade down and still get the player we want.
I'd argue it is much easier to get a great WR than a great QB. In fact I would argue that is virtually a universal truth the last few years.
If you don't want to "force" a QB pick this year that is fine, but why are you ok doing it in 2025? And if you aren't, are you ok going 3,4 or even 5 years until the stars align to get a QB?
the neck was never a factor as much as BBI may have believed or insisted upon. The dude played football games AFTER the neck injury. If it was structural damage or potential he would have been shut down right away. If the injury resurfaced or manifested into something serious these last 3-4 months you would have known about it. And no, reading whispers online from some schmuck doesn't count.
Like it or not, the neck isn't a factor and never was a factor. You would have known about it if so. For real, not rumor.
RE: Why are people mad that he says his neck is healthy
If we draft a QB, these kids are the type that should sit a year anyway. If we draft a WR everyone can either see him succeed or fail. The debate will be over. He will have his WR most likely and an improved OL.
I personally think the Giants best option is to draft a WR. If DJ is as bad as people expect we can get a rookie QB next season and have a better supporting cast in place. Just like its hard to get a great QB, its equally as hard to get a great WR. We could use both, take the better option at 6. Maybe we can also do a slight trade down and still get the player we want.
I don't think anyone is mad he's healthy or said he's healthy. There is concern for a potential underlying PR agenda here in which the franchise might be preparing everyone for a future many have feared.
It's not equally as hard to get a great receiver as a great QB. That's simply not true.
The big fear is that Daniel Jones could play just good enough to be mediocre fringe playoff contenders (only because half the league makes the playoffs now). That leaves us with little to no ability to get a QB of the future. That's more realistic than us getting the #1 pick.
RE: Why are people mad that he says his neck is healthy
If we draft a QB, these kids are the type that should sit a year anyway. If we draft a WR everyone can either see him succeed or fail. The debate will be over. He will have his WR most likely and an improved OL.
I personally think the Giants best option is to draft a WR. If DJ is as bad as people expect we can get a rookie QB next season and have a better supporting cast in place. Just like its hard to get a great QB, its equally as hard to get a great WR. We could use both, take the better option at 6. Maybe we can also do a slight trade down and still get the player we want.
Signing KG was supposed to end the excuses for Jones
But I'm sure this time drafting a WR and watching Jones suck will end the excuses
that has haunted him for six seasons, DJ has a blind spot in seeing and throwing to wide open receivers, instead he panics and throws to well covered check downs for either one yard or no yards gained. He and his 31 ranked offense have got to be in the “passed”.
RE: RE: Why are people mad that he says his neck is healthy
If you don't want to "force" a QB pick this year that is fine, but why are you ok doing it in 2025? And if you aren't, are you ok going 3,4 or even 5 years until the stars align to get a QB?
I've read more than once that you can't shop hungry. I agree, which is why I've advocated for the Giants to draft a QB every year for several years now.
Now the hunger is here, and it's only going to get worse the longer they wait.
Sounds weird to say but I never thought the neck stuff was a long term issue
Nothing weird about this take at all.
When a pro athlete has a concerning back or neck injury you will know about it. The team will release real tangible info that is vetted and legit. Not some ass clown with the usual horse shit take of "sources tell me DJ's neck is a concern."
BULLSHIT. Know the difference.
RE: RE: RE: If Jones is starting I expect a big year
Assuming this happens (which is certainly likely), I wish one of our beats or someone in the National media would follow up the expected quote "We have full confidence in Daniel." with one simple question.
"Why?"
Asked at the bye press conference:
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Q: Why do you still believe in Daniel? How would you answer that?
A: I mean, I’ve seen it. You guys all saw last season. The guy won 10 games. He won a road playoff game for the Giants. You guys saw the preseason. I just think we got punched in the nose early on and we dug ourselves a hole and we weren’t able to get out of it. We’re trying to right now, but we still believe in Daniel and the person.
"You guys saw the preseason". DJ played one series of downs against the worst team in the league. Speaking of digging, that's digging pretty deep.
Sounds weird to say but I never thought the neck stuff was a long term issue
Nothing weird about this take at all.
When a pro athlete has a concerning back or neck injury you will know about it. The team will release real tangible info that is vetted and legit. Not some ass clown with the usual horse shit take of "sources tell me DJ's neck is a concern."
BULLSHIT. Know the difference.
Legit asshats have said there is serious concern about his neck still, no? Bob Papa the Mara shill himself put out a report about how DJ's injury history is really concerning. I don't think it's just one schmuck. And DJ saying this means nothing, he wouldn't say anything different if his neck wasn't fine. I hope he's fine, but it's silly to totally disregard the potential for him to have deeper injury concerns than meet the surface just because he said what anyone would expect him to say.
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If healthy, does Daniel Jones believe he’s the best starting quarterback option for the Giants in 2024? “Yes, I do,” he said firmly and then smiled.
@rydunleavy
You can read too much into things sometimes...
But credit to Daniel Jones for speaking to media today. And #Giants for making him available. He could've not while injured/rehabbing.
Knew there would be questions about #Giants drafting his replacement.
No Saquon here now. Face-of-the-franchise move.
No reason not to expect that given his salary and an all-pro level left tackle.
However, his knee could be our excuse to not put him on the field this year at least early on..
No reason not to expect that given his salary and an all-pro level left tackle.
Hard to process when you have 1.5 seconds. I know this was a concern out of college for him, but he deserves a 6th chance to play with a proper line and better receivers.
No reason not to expect that given his salary and an all-pro level left tackle.
No reason outside of:
He averages 12 TD passes a year
Has thrown a grand total of 9 TD passes against the Cowboys and Eagles in his career
Has thrown 38 of his 62 TD passes in the red zone and 32 of those were inside the 10 yard line.
But yeah, 30 TDs should be the expectation based on salary.
@rydunleavy
You can read too much into things sometimes...
But credit to Daniel Jones for speaking to media today. And #Giants for making him available. He could've not while injured/rehabbing.
Knew there would be questions about #Giants drafting his replacement.
No Saquon here now. Face-of-the-franchise move.
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30 total TDs produced. Y/A over 7.5. Playoffs.
No reason not to expect that given his salary and an all-pro level left tackle.
Thats probably what it takes for Giants to keep him. And I m one that wanted to give him every chance but if I had a choice we d move on. But if it turns out he s our best option I ll cheer my ass off for him.
Absolutely, nothing but good can come from him playing well. And for the record, if it were up to me I would take JJM or Penix or Maye and cut DJ as soon as possible. Nevertheless, I can see building the team up and rolling with DJ/Lock as a real possibility. I'd rather prepare myself as a fan for that, knowing none of this is in my control, rather than irrationally freaking out over something I can't control. We are all just fans and it's just a game, afterall.
However, his knee could be our excuse to not put him on the field this year at least early on..
+1. A stinger is more normal when you are the hitter, not the hittee
Big day for the DJFC.
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@rydunleavy
You can read too much into things sometimes...
But credit to Daniel Jones for speaking to media today. And #Giants for making him available. He could've not while injured/rehabbing.
Knew there would be questions about #Giants drafting his replacement.
No Saquon here now. Face-of-the-franchise move.
Ricky Gervais telling a pissed off Hollywood all abouts itself is actually a solid analog for your presence here...
No reason not to expect that given his salary and an all-pro level left tackle.
I get this is what he should be producing, and if he is given a shot . . . what if you get 80% of this per se. It's not QB hell, but it's like that old ESPN commercial:
The elevator opens, the person waiting says going up, the NJ Devil on the elevator shakes his head no, the gut waiting just backs away . . . it's very close to hell.
@NYPost_Schwartz
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If healthy, does Daniel Jones believe he’s the best starting quarterback option for the Giants in 2024? “Yes, I do,” he said firmly and then smiled.
Great question, Paul. What is he going to say? "I really like Tommy. The offense looked better when he was playing. I should probably be backing him up."
Big day for the DJFC.
Jayden Daniels to DC, Daniel Jones for NYG
Ricky Gervais telling a pissed off Hollywood all abouts itself is actually a solid analog for your presence here... [/quote]
I can't believe we're still getting this face of the franchise horseshit.
"Face of the franchise" is like "Once a Giant, Always a Giant"...it's a lame branding attempt to distract from the sad reality of the football on the field.
Enough already.
With their second round pick, the NY Football Giants select a non-QB.
With the rest of their picks, the NY Football Giants select more non-QBs.
The Daniel Jones Experience continues...
However, his knee could be our excuse to not put him on the field this year at least early on..
Are you an orthopedic surgeon?
With their second round pick, the NY Football Giants select a non-QB.
With the rest of their picks, the NY Football Giants select more non-QBs.
The Daniel Jones Experience continues...
At least he's a really good guy who the franchise has done everything possible to screw up, he really deserves it.
With their second round pick, the NY Football Giants select a non-QB.
With the rest of their picks, the NY Football Giants select more non-QBs.
The Daniel Jones Experience continues...
Assuming this happens (which is certainly likely), I wish one of our beats or someone in the National media would follow up the expected quote "We have full confidence in Daniel." with one simple question.
"Why?"
But the bottom line is - Sy compared Odunze to Larry Fitzgerald. There's a chance we could draft that guy instead of a QB and that decision might ultimately be a good one.
Giants will try like hell to get their top QB target. But it might not happen.
Also, the neck can be totally fine now, but can he take a hit without crumbling because of it? We don't know, but will find out.
But the bottom line is - Sy compared Odunze to Larry Fitzgerald. There's a chance we could draft that guy instead of a QB and that decision might ultimately be a good one.
Giants will try like hell to get their top QB target. But it might not happen.
I think everyone knows this is a very real possibility. But let's assume Daniel Jones' first five years are a good approximation of his sixth year. At what point do you realize nothing is going to improve until you replace the guy who touches the ball every play?
Big day for the DJFC.
Is this a bad day for you? Do you want his career to be over and are you so sure that Lock is better? I don't think him being healthy changes what the Giants are going to do one bit. If they want a QB and can get one they'll do that wether he's hurt or healthy. If they get one you're likely going to have to hold your nose for at least a few weeks cause Jones will likely start the season. If they don't get a rookie you may have to hold your nose all year. There still the Giants though and the team of the vast majority of this board so each Sunday we root for a W no matter who wears the jersey, yes?
Imagine JJM and Penix turn into legit franchise QBs and we could have had either with no tradeups. DJ is mediocre (15-20tds with half as many ints, shy of 200ypg) enough to have us in the 12-20 pick range.
I agree. I think fans over complicate injuries and always look at worst case scenario. Very few players have career ending neck injuries, yet many play with them. Peyton’s seemed way worse and he came back. I don’t think it’s the risk that many claim it to be.
All that being said, we need to move on from Jones.
I personally think the Giants best option is to draft a WR. If DJ is as bad as people expect we can get a rookie QB next season and have a better supporting cast in place. Just like its hard to get a great QB, its equally as hard to get a great WR. We could use both, take the better option at 6. Maybe we can also do a slight trade down and still get the player we want.
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but a stinger is not a "normal" thing when you have had a previous neck injury. That becomes far more relevant and potentially serious and considering how different the two neck injuries were (one was a head on, head down collision, the other was getting hit in the back) it says to me the internal structure of his cervical spine (something I am very aware of after two different fusion surgeries covering three levels) is susceptible to injury more easily than before. This isn't a nothing deal..
However, his knee could be our excuse to not put him on the field this year at least early on..
Are you an orthopedic surgeon?
Not sure what you are trying to imply, the point I am making is we can use recovering from a knee injury as an excuse to have him on the PUP for a bit and then to keep him on the bench. That seems pretty like a pretty standard option...
I personally think the Giants best option is to draft a WR. If DJ is as bad as people expect we can get a rookie QB next season and have a better supporting cast in place. Just like its hard to get a great QB, its equally as hard to get a great WR. We could use both, take the better option at 6. Maybe we can also do a slight trade down and still get the player we want.
I'd argue it is much easier to get a great WR than a great QB. In fact I would argue that is virtually a universal truth the last few years.
If you don't want to "force" a QB pick this year that is fine, but why are you ok doing it in 2025? And if you aren't, are you ok going 3,4 or even 5 years until the stars align to get a QB?
Like it or not, the neck isn't a factor and never was a factor. You would have known about it if so. For real, not rumor.
I personally think the Giants best option is to draft a WR. If DJ is as bad as people expect we can get a rookie QB next season and have a better supporting cast in place. Just like its hard to get a great QB, its equally as hard to get a great WR. We could use both, take the better option at 6. Maybe we can also do a slight trade down and still get the player we want.
I don't think anyone is mad he's healthy or said he's healthy. There is concern for a potential underlying PR agenda here in which the franchise might be preparing everyone for a future many have feared.
It's not equally as hard to get a great receiver as a great QB. That's simply not true.
The big fear is that Daniel Jones could play just good enough to be mediocre fringe playoff contenders (only because half the league makes the playoffs now). That leaves us with little to no ability to get a QB of the future. That's more realistic than us getting the #1 pick.
I personally think the Giants best option is to draft a WR. If DJ is as bad as people expect we can get a rookie QB next season and have a better supporting cast in place. Just like its hard to get a great QB, its equally as hard to get a great WR. We could use both, take the better option at 6. Maybe we can also do a slight trade down and still get the player we want.
Signing KG was supposed to end the excuses for Jones
But I'm sure this time drafting a WR and watching Jones suck will end the excuses
(It won't)
No reason not to expect that given his salary and an all-pro level left tackle.
And if he totals 20-25 total TDs and the playoffs, guess what, we will take it.
STATS!
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30 total TDs produced. Y/A over 7.5. Playoffs.
No reason not to expect that given his salary and an all-pro level left tackle.
And if he totals 20-25 total TDs and the playoffs, guess what, we will take it.
STATS!
8-9 makes the playoffs with half the league getting in now, so that's not shooting for the moon by any means.
If you don't want to "force" a QB pick this year that is fine, but why are you ok doing it in 2025? And if you aren't, are you ok going 3,4 or even 5 years until the stars align to get a QB?
I've read more than once that you can't shop hungry. I agree, which is why I've advocated for the Giants to draft a QB every year for several years now.
Now the hunger is here, and it's only going to get worse the longer they wait.
Nothing weird about this take at all.
When a pro athlete has a concerning back or neck injury you will know about it. The team will release real tangible info that is vetted and legit. Not some ass clown with the usual horse shit take of "sources tell me DJ's neck is a concern."
BULLSHIT. Know the difference.
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30 total TDs produced. Y/A over 7.5. Playoffs.
No reason not to expect that given his salary and an all-pro level left tackle.
And if he totals 20-25 total TDs and the playoffs, guess what, we will take it.
STATS!
8-9 makes the playoffs with half the league getting in now, so that's not shooting for the moon by any means.
Great.
Assuming this happens (which is certainly likely), I wish one of our beats or someone in the National media would follow up the expected quote "We have full confidence in Daniel." with one simple question.
"Why?"
Asked at the bye press conference:
A: I mean, I’ve seen it. You guys all saw last season. The guy won 10 games. He won a road playoff game for the Giants. You guys saw the preseason. I just think we got punched in the nose early on and we dug ourselves a hole and we weren’t able to get out of it. We’re trying to right now, but we still believe in Daniel and the person.
"You guys saw the preseason". DJ played one series of downs against the worst team in the league. Speaking of digging, that's digging pretty deep.
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Sounds weird to say but I never thought the neck stuff was a long term issue
Nothing weird about this take at all.
When a pro athlete has a concerning back or neck injury you will know about it. The team will release real tangible info that is vetted and legit. Not some ass clown with the usual horse shit take of "sources tell me DJ's neck is a concern."
BULLSHIT. Know the difference.
Legit asshats have said there is serious concern about his neck still, no? Bob Papa the Mara shill himself put out a report about how DJ's injury history is really concerning. I don't think it's just one schmuck. And DJ saying this means nothing, he wouldn't say anything different if his neck wasn't fine. I hope he's fine, but it's silly to totally disregard the potential for him to have deeper injury concerns than meet the surface just because he said what anyone would expect him to say.