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NFT: When did Walt Disney World get so complicated???

NYG27 : 4/15/2024 1:19 pm
My family used to go to WDW all the time when the kids were around 10 years old or younger. As they got older, we started traveling oversees more often and seeing the world on different continents.

Now that my oldest is graduating from college, she wants to go back to Disneyworld with just my wife and I (her brothers are going camping). As the planner in my family, I thought it would be easy to jump back to Disney, because I was so familiar with it....NOPE!!! LOL

Now they've added rides you can only get on via Virtual Que, they've replaced the old FastPass paper skip the line tickets with this complicated Genie+ system with Lightning Lanes. Although not all the top rides have access to Lightning Lanes, as for those rides, to skip the line, you have to pay per person per day to ride.

Want to get food? Good luck waiting hours in Standby counters for food. Now you have to get familiar with Mobile Ordering, to order your food on your phone hours before you eat.

Speaking of Virtual Que, they have two rides, where you can only get them at 7am and 1pm. If you are 1 second too late to hit the button on your phone, you miss the opportunity to go on that ride....Unless you pay around $20 per person to skip the line.

The amount of time it looks like I'll be on my phone, I'll need to bring an extra battery pack to make sure I don't drain my phones battery by the end of the day.

Rant over, spent the past weekend learning all these processes. If any other BBIer is planning to go to WDW and needs help, just post here. I'd be more than happy to help out answering questions.
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Funny timing  
UConn4523 : 4/15/2024 1:21 pm : link
we just got invited to go in August with a few of my daughters friends and parents and we declined. They’ve somehow zapped all the fun out of it and made it one giant chore. Would rather take my kid around the world at this point, would be the same price and more fulfilling.

We’ve got family in FL so the next time we visit we will swing over to Disney for a couple days to get it over with then never speak of it again, haha.
Just got back from a trip with my 6 and 3 year old  
AJ23 : 4/15/2024 1:24 pm : link
I've been four times in four years. My recommendation is to pay the money for Genie+ every morning, and pay the money for Lightning Lanes for the premium rides (we went to Epcot, MK and Hollywood and it was 2 - Rise of the Resistance at Hollywood and Seven Dwarves at MK). We were there on a day when MK was so busy that it was actually closed to park hoppers because it reached capacity, and we still hit all the rides - waiting for longer than 30 minutes for a ride just twice, and those were the two virtual queues (Tron and Guardians).
I hate it. I am not sure why people put themselves through it anymore.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/15/2024 1:25 pm : link
We went to Univeral this past summer and it was so much better.
NYG27  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/15/2024 1:25 pm : link
Even if we could afford it (we can't), we saw how complicated it got via the numerous YouTube channels dedicated to the park.

As I said to my wife, "it would be like spending a few thousand dollars just to be miserable and have everyone yelling each other."

No thanks.

We went to Tennessee instead.
It actually just got less complicated  
Eli Wilson : 4/15/2024 1:26 pm : link
Until recently (since COVID) you had to schedule your park days in advance and could only park hop after 2PM.
RE: Funny timing  
NYG27 : 4/15/2024 1:26 pm : link
In comment 16469535 UConn4523 said:
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we just got invited to go in August with a few of my daughters friends and parents and we declined. They’ve somehow zapped all the fun out of it and made it one giant chore. Would rather take my kid around the world at this point, would be the same price and more fulfilling.

We’ve got family in FL so the next time we visit we will swing over to Disney for a couple days to get it over with then never speak of it again, haha.


Good call! Trying to navigate the Disney Parks would be a nightmare with the more people you add to your groups.
RE: Just got back from a trip with my 6 and 3 year old  
NYG27 : 4/15/2024 1:28 pm : link
In comment 16469540 AJ23 said:
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I've been four times in four years. My recommendation is to pay the money for Genie+ every morning, and pay the money for Lightning Lanes for the premium rides (we went to Epcot, MK and Hollywood and it was 2 - Rise of the Resistance at Hollywood and Seven Dwarves at MK). We were there on a day when MK was so busy that it was actually closed to park hoppers because it reached capacity, and we still hit all the rides - waiting for longer than 30 minutes for a ride just twice, and those were the two virtual queues (Tron and Guardians).


I definitely 100% agree with you. Genie+ would be worth the price to avoid those 120-160 minute wait times for certain rides!
RE: I hate it. I am not sure why people put themselves through it anymore.  
NYG27 : 4/15/2024 1:30 pm : link
In comment 16469541 robbieballs2003 said:
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We went to Univeral this past summer and it was so much better.


Robbie, I love Universal and can't wait till their new park Epic Universe opens next year. Plus with Universal, it's easy. Get their Express Pass and skip all the lines you want.

Disney is just not that straight forward with Genie+
RE: NYG27  
NYG27 : 4/15/2024 1:31 pm : link
In comment 16469542 Eric from BBI said:
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Even if we could afford it (we can't), we saw how complicated it got via the numerous YouTube channels dedicated to the park.

As I said to my wife, "it would be like spending a few thousand dollars just to be miserable and have everyone yelling each other."

No thanks.

We went to Tennessee instead.


Good Call Eric!
RE: It actually just got less complicated  
NYG27 : 4/15/2024 1:33 pm : link
In comment 16469543 Eli Wilson said:
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Until recently (since COVID) you had to schedule your park days in advance and could only park hop after 2PM.


I'd happily reserve my park days and wait for park hopping till 2pm, if they got rid of Virtual Ques and Genie+.

I learnt the process and ready for our trip in May but man I wish they still had those old paper fast pass system. So much easier back then and not being on your phone the whole time.
Eric, also good timing  
UConn4523 : 4/15/2024 1:34 pm : link
my wife and I are trying to go to Nashville as my almost 9 year old is getting old enough to appreciate trying different foods, live music, etc. I’ve been several times but they haven’t. Direct flights from CT are cheap, trying to do a long weekend at some point.
RE: Funny timing  
robbieballs2003 : 4/15/2024 1:35 pm : link
In comment 16469535 UConn4523 said:
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we just got invited to go in August with a few of my daughters friends and parents and we declined. They’ve somehow zapped all the fun out of it and made it one giant chore. Would rather take my kid around the world at this point, would be the same price and more fulfilling.

We’ve got family in FL so the next time we visit we will swing over to Disney for a couple days to get it over with then never speak of it again, haha.


Yep. I got in two arguments. One was when I wanted to look at a menu. I walked up to the front where they have the menus. This woman starts yelling at me that I need to wait in line. I said I am just looking at the menu. She says you do that on your phone. I said everything is on your phone. My battery is dying. She said I have to wait in line. I said wait in line for what? If I order on my phone they call your number to pick up. It isn't like it is a line to order. It was beyond ridiculous.

The 2nd one was it was so hot and I saw a Minute Made stand. I wait on line. I ask the woman if they have just slushies or if they have the frozen ices like Italian Ices. She tells me to wait. She takes out a rag and starts cleaning the counter and side of the stand. Two minutes goes by and then she puts the rag away and talks to me like she saw me for the first time. I felt like Ben Stiller in Meet The Parents when he's trying to board the plane. So, I ask the same question again that she could have answered while she was wiping down the booth. She says just the slushies. Fine, I'll take 4 please. She gets me the 4 slushies. I look at her and said do you have straws? She said sorry but we are out. Um, don't you think that is an important thing to state to the customer before they buy the slushies? I had a 3 year old. Now I had to search for either a straw or spoon to drink it.

I'm not even getting into all the issues we had booking rides even though they were closed and couldn't change it on the app. It was just ridiculous.
Was just there with my kids ages 6, 5 and 2  
Chris684 : 4/15/2024 1:35 pm : link
and much of what you're saying is true. Disney makes having a good time way too complicated.

However, I still think a good time can be had if you're not a super ride enthusiast obsessed with hitting every ride. If you wake up early and take advantage of early admission (if your resort/hotel offers that) and you prioritize where you want to go and when, you can still get on some good rides. Maybe it's different considering my kids are little but we were also able to focus on seeing characters, parades, shows, etc. which the little kids love.

That said, I'll just say that my politics don't align with Disney's, and even as an adult there is something special about going there.

Its not as bad  
Juice921 : 4/15/2024 1:36 pm : link
as it seems as long as you are capable of using an app on a phone. Personally I find Disney always has taken a lot of planning if trying to maximize your day. Its certainly not a stress free vacation and even less so with younger kids. As they get older and the number of rides become less important, I would think it would be easier to schedule the premium stuff via the app and hit rides without waiting in lines.

Now if you want to talk about all the nickel and diming and overall value...that's a whole different story.
As one who watched the Mickey Mouse Club every afternoon  
KeoweeFan : 4/15/2024 1:37 pm : link
I remember the episodes where Walt talked about the new park he planned and the reasons for it - boiled down to a fun, inexpensive all inclusive family outing (compared to the carnivals - pay for each ride - and lousy atmosphere of the time).

I can honestly say that DisneyLand/World are nowhere near Walt's vision.

He would have been disgusted to see it now. Extracting money from "guests" and children is its sole mission.
RE: Eric, also good timing  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/15/2024 1:41 pm : link
In comment 16469562 UConn4523 said:
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my wife and I are trying to go to Nashville as my almost 9 year old is getting old enough to appreciate trying different foods, live music, etc. I’ve been several times but they haven’t. Direct flights from CT are cheap, trying to do a long weekend at some point.


We hiked in the Smokey Mountains, visited Dollywood (I didn't realize it was basically a massive rollercoaster park), and did the usual touristy stuff in Gatlinburg. You want a "thrill ride"? Go on the SkyBridge. Holy hell.
We went last year  
Les in TO : 4/15/2024 1:43 pm : link
Once you get the hang of the strategies for using the app and lightning lanes, it actually makes for a smooth experience (ie not standing in hour + long lines). We did Hollywood Studios and Magic Kingdom and hit everything we wanted to, in some cases multiple rides (like TRON).
RE: We went last year  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/15/2024 1:53 pm : link
In comment 16469583 Les in TO said:
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Once you get the hang of the strategies for using the app and lightning lanes, it actually makes for a smooth experience (ie not standing in hour + long lines). We did Hollywood Studios and Magic Kingdom and hit everything we wanted to, in some cases multiple rides (like TRON).


It's an amusement park where people stand in line to ride kids rides.

They've taken that concept and:

(1) made it incredibly complicated.
(2) made it incredibly expensive.

To "enjoy" the park, you now have to have a battle plan on the scale of Barbarossa and pay multiple fees on top of the actual park ticket. You'd have to be crazy to do this at this point.
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JCassmen : 4/15/2024 1:55 pm : link
In comment 16469614 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16469583 Les in TO said:


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Once you get the hang of the strategies for using the app and lightning lanes, it actually makes for a smooth experience (ie not standing in hour + long lines). We did Hollywood Studios and Magic Kingdom and hit everything we wanted to, in some cases multiple rides (like TRON).



It's an amusement park where people stand in line to ride kids rides.

They've taken that concept and:

(1) made it incredibly complicated.
(2) made it incredibly expensive.

To "enjoy" the park, you now have to have a battle plan on the scale of Barbarossa and pay multiple fees on top of the actual park ticket. You'd have to be crazy to do this at this point.


Love the Barbarossa reference!
Disney World in August?  
redwhiteandbigblue : 4/15/2024 1:58 pm : link
You must have a death wish. It is disgusting in Orlando in August. Couple that with a bunch of sweaty smelly people in confined spaces? No thank you.
Went in Nov  
jestersdead : 4/15/2024 2:04 pm : link
for the start of their Christmas party event with my 7, 4 and 11 month old. I didn't do any part of the planning as it was a gift from my mom to my kids. Im a planner myself and couldn't believe the BS you go through to make sure you're getting a full appreciation of the park. Planning dinner/lunch 6 months in advance, Genie+, Lighting lines, etc....makes the trip exhausting.



We hit up a couple lighting line rides each day and then went around looking for rides under 30 mins wait. Big hoopla about people waiting on line and going to the bathroom in their pants or behind bushes.

Most fun I had was at night. We did Epcot and the Magic Kingdom on the Christmas party release. They closed the park to anyone that didn't have a wristband and we were moving freely from ride to ride.

If you are a foodie, there are a couple good Disney park food accounts on Instagram that updates as new menus/food is released
To answer the original question …  
Spider56 : 4/15/2024 2:06 pm : link
When Michael Eisner left Disney in 2005, the new mgmt team embarked on a strategy to squeeze every cent possible out of their visiting ‘guests’, and fully maximize profits.

Get them to stay on the property; have them eat Disney food, pay premium dollars to avoid lines, charge extra for nighttime experiences, eliminate the free airport shuttle, and at the same time reduce services (fewer parades, hotel perks, etc.).

It used to be a special place; now it’s just a money grab … sad.

Many years ago I was visiting my brother  
Sky King : 4/15/2024 2:11 pm : link
And he asked me if I wanted to go to Disneyland. I said "NO" because I had gone years earlier on a holiday and waited in endless lines (this was before any of the skip the lines things).

He said he had 2 tickets for Pontiac night. He did a test drive a few weeks earlier, and they gave him 2 tickets to the park they had rented for the night (5PM to 1 AM).

We went, and the park was empty! There were no people waiting for any of the rides. You could get on one and immediately ride it again. No lines for food either.

I guess that's what Heaven is like, lol.
We went to DisneyWorld many times when my kids were young  
Mike from Ohio : 4/15/2024 2:13 pm : link
and if you knew what you were doing, you could get a lot done in a day. Yeah it was expensive, but it was an experience.

Having said all that, it has only gotten more complicated and more expensive in the past several years. You can still get done what you want to get done, but you need to study the ins and outs, prepare well in advance, and never deviate from the plan. To me, that is not a vacation. I want to be able to change plans mid day depending on how everyone is feeling.

I would never go back to Disney because I just don't have the level of commitment it takes to enjoy it.
Universal Studios is so much better  
antdog24 : 4/15/2024 2:17 pm : link
we had an amazing time and only did 2 days, one at each park. The lines for the rides were long but moved quickly, we didn't bother with the fast pass and were able to get everything we wanted to get done each day. Disneyworld is a nightmare now I doubt I'll ever go back.
it sure seemed like  
Enzo : 4/15/2024 2:21 pm : link
the old (original?) fast pass system was working just fine. The last time we went was with genie+ or whatever and it was needlessly more complicated. As others have said, now that my kids are older they prefer Universal. Which apparently is building another whole park?
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/15/2024 2:27 pm : link
In comment 16469667 Enzo said:
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the old (original?) fast pass system was working just fine. The last time we went was with genie+ or whatever and it was needlessly more complicated. As others have said, now that my kids are older they prefer Universal. Which apparently is building another whole park?


Fast Pass worked great. It easy. It was free. And it worked.

So of course the morons got rid of it.
JCassmen  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/15/2024 2:27 pm : link
Glad someone got it.
I saw a family reunion turn into a complete brawl  
Ben in Tampa : 4/15/2024 2:41 pm : link
At Epcot a few years ago. It was the damndest thing I’ve ever seen in my life.

High level problems are tough  
joe48 : 4/15/2024 2:43 pm : link
A lot of people outside the Metro area would love to have your problem. I am sure you’ll figure it out and have a good time.
Huh, if Disney was easy I wouldn’t be going, planning is  
Jim in Hoboken : 4/15/2024 2:45 pm : link
80% of the fun. I don’t think Kafka’s job of devising a scheme with Jones at QB is any more difficult than coming up with a Disney itinerary with a rambunctious kid who refuses to wait in line even for ice cream. Although I’ve had it done pat now I can do every worthwhile ride in 4 parks in 2.5 days including extra magic hours.

For example, on your Magic Kingdom day here is your sequence of tasks while sitting on the toilet at 6:55AM.

1. Get on Virtual Que for Tron.
2. Buy lightening lane for Seven Dwarfs.
3. Reserve Genie plus for Big Thunder Mountain.

That’s before arriving at the park, then at the park, reserve second Genie plus ride at 9am. And book another one after riding Big Thunder. Then get on Virtual Que for Tron again in tbe afternoon.
RE: Its not as bad  
Big Rick in FL : 4/15/2024 2:46 pm : link
In comment 16469569 Juice921 said:
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as it seems as long as you are capable of using an app on a phone. Personally I find Disney always has taken a lot of planning if trying to maximize your day. Its certainly not a stress free vacation and even less so with younger kids. As they get older and the number of rides become less important, I would think it would be easier to schedule the premium stuff via the app and hit rides without waiting in lines.

Now if you want to talk about all the nickel and diming and overall value...that's a whole different story.


I was coming to say this. I live an hour and a half from there. Been to all of the parks and Disney Springs multiple times in the last year. It's not nearly as bad as that original post makes it seem.
Just got back from 2 days at Disney and 1 at Universal  
aimrocky : 4/15/2024 2:52 pm : link
My wife booked it so that we basically used fast passes on every ride besides the premium ones that required an upcharge, so wait times were not an issue. I have no idea what she paid for that convenience, though.

In general, my kids (who are 11 & 8) loved the rides and the parks. My son, who is the 8 year old, hit his wall after about 7 hours in the park, which took us to dinner. If I had to do it again, I wouldn't book dinner in the park, because the food sucks. I'd do the parks until around 4, then head out and find a place to eat.

The entire family enjoyed Universal more. It was still extremely expensive, but lines were much shorter, less people and less scooters to dodge.
RE: RE: Eric, also good timing  
aimrocky : 4/15/2024 2:55 pm : link
In comment 16469579 Eric from BBI said:
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my wife and I are trying to go to Nashville as my almost 9 year old is getting old enough to appreciate trying different foods, live music, etc. I’ve been several times but they haven’t. Direct flights from CT are cheap, trying to do a long weekend at some point.



We hiked in the Smokey Mountains, visited Dollywood (I didn't realize it was basically a massive rollercoaster park), and did the usual touristy stuff in Gatlinburg. You want a "thrill ride"? Go on the SkyBridge. Holy hell.


Ha, so last week my kids were on their spring break and my college roommate's kids were as well. We went to FL to see my parents and did 3 days at Disney/Universal. My college buddy drove his Family from CT to Gatlinburg and did a week in the Smokey Mountains. We were texting each other pictures and stories from our trips. Pretty funny.
I went to Magic Kingdom and Epcot  
JoeyBigBlue : 4/15/2024 2:57 pm : link
Last month and the Genie+ feature is helpful as the lines tend to get long. But there is a learning curve in using the app that might not work for everyone on the first try. The first thing is that you can only book one fast pass at a time. You then have to wait two hours to book your next fast. My advice is to book the more desirable rides early, and knock out the less busier rides while you wait the two hours. Sometimes this will save you on waiting on 90+ minute waits.

The second thing is you have to learn where rides are situated in the parks. The Genie+ app makes rides across the park available, and it often leads to you waking across the park. Find rides that are situated in the same area and knock them out around the same time. It will save you time and save you energy.
Fuck that place  
djm : 4/15/2024 3:00 pm : link
we went last year with the 10 year old. We were prepared. Wife did a lot of mentally heavy lifting. We were not caught unprepared.

It's clean. I'll give it that. It's definitely organized. You can fucking have it. Women and kids want to believe in magic. It's just late stage capitalism. I swear they would charge money to take a shit if they could.
Haven't been in over 15 years.  
Pego61 : 4/15/2024 3:01 pm : link
However, I did just have to travel to Orlando for work and spent a night at Disney Springs. All the complication of Disney World is worth it if you get some of those Gideon's Bakehouse cookies. My word.
RE: it sure seemed like  
NYG27 : 4/15/2024 3:18 pm : link
In comment 16469667 Enzo said:
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the old (original?) fast pass system was working just fine. The last time we went was with genie+ or whatever and it was needlessly more complicated. As others have said, now that my kids are older they prefer Universal. Which apparently is building another whole park?


Enzo, it's called Epic Universe and it will be massive. It'll have lands themed after Super Nintendo World (Super Mario and Donkey Kong), Wizarding World Fantastic Beasts (Harry Potter), How to Train Your Dragon and what I'm looking forward to is Dark Universe (Dracula, Mummy, Wolfman, Frankenstein and all the other Universal monsters from their movie franchises.

That will give Universal 3 Theme Parks and 1 Water Park and it will be interesting to see how that influences people from switching from Disney based Orlando vacations to Universal based Orlando vacations.
Bring back the E-ticket. And A, B, C and D tickets while you’re at it.  
Ivan15 : 4/15/2024 3:29 pm : link
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NYG27 : 4/15/2024 3:35 pm : link
In comment 16469674 Eric from BBI said:
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the old (original?) fast pass system was working just fine. The last time we went was with genie+ or whatever and it was needlessly more complicated. As others have said, now that my kids are older they prefer Universal. Which apparently is building another whole park?



Fast Pass worked great. It easy. It was free. And it worked.

So of course the morons got rid of it.


I loved the old Fast Pass system. I used to arrive very early at rope drop and run around the whole park getting all those free paper Fast Passes. Then looked at their return times and have a whole itinerary ready to skip the lines at with all the attractions that had Fast Pass.

Plus if you knew of the "hack" with those old Fast Pass Dispensers\Machines, then you could get a ton of Fast Passes for the ride you wanted to do. There used to be a button at the back of the Fast Pass machine, where if you held it down for 3 seconds, it would keep on giving you passes =)
I actually love the gamifying of it..  
moze1021 : 4/15/2024 3:36 pm : link
Planning the meals and working for reservations, using the app to get the rides you want and running around to get them.. I love it.

My wife and I took the kids 2 years ago..it was the first time I ever went in my life. Loved it so much we went back again last year. We did not go this year...and to be honest, I missed it a bit!
RE: Bring back the E-ticket. And A, B, C and D tickets while you’re at it.  
NYG27 : 4/15/2024 3:45 pm : link
In comment 16469752 Ivan15 said:
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There's a Youtube video of a guy who did that. His family had a Magic Kingdom ticket book from 1978 that had never been used. There was no expiration date on that 1978 ticket book that cost just $8. The guy flew to Orlando and was surprised that he was able to redeem it for a park ticket worth $150+
It is kinda of ridiculous to be toggling nonstop to get  
Jim in Hoboken : 4/15/2024 3:49 pm : link
a better ride time while walking through the parks. The meal reservation is fun though, I mean, when you are sitting at work desk with nothing to do and have already read every BBI thread four times….

You have to work for that Beaches and Cream reservation at 7pm man.

As for Universal, have to stay at one of the 3 Deluxe hotels to get that free fast pass. Worth every penny when each fast pass can go for 300$ plus.
RE: RE: Bring back the E-ticket. And A, B, C and D tickets while you’re at it.  
Jim in Fairfax : 4/15/2024 3:54 pm : link
In comment 16469782 NYG27 said:
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There's a Youtube video of a guy who did that. His family had a Magic Kingdom ticket book from 1978 that had never been used. There was no expiration date on that 1978 ticket book that cost just $8. The guy flew to Orlando and was surprised that he was able to redeem it for a park ticket worth $150+

Yup. Though you’re limited to what existed at the time you bought the ticket. In this case it can only be used for the Magic Kingdom since the other 3 parks had not been built.
RE: RE: We went last year  
Les in TO : 4/15/2024 4:11 pm : link
In comment 16469614 Eric from BBI said:
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Once you get the hang of the strategies for using the app and lightning lanes, it actually makes for a smooth experience (ie not standing in hour + long lines). We did Hollywood Studios and Magic Kingdom and hit everything we wanted to, in some cases multiple rides (like TRON).



It's an amusement park where people stand in line to ride kids rides.

They've taken that concept and:

(1) made it incredibly complicated.
(2) made it incredibly expensive.

To "enjoy" the park, you now have to have a battle plan on the scale of Barbarossa and pay multiple fees on top of the actual park ticket. You'd have to be crazy to do this at this point.
agree with you on the expensive part.

The complexity wasn’t that bad, and there are great resources online about how to maximize the use of the app. My son Is a huge Star Wars fan so really wanted to show him that area of Hollywood studios and it did not disappoint (and was able to ride rise of resistance and millenium falcon with no wait times)
PS one good thing  
djm : 4/15/2024 4:14 pm : link
Tron was awesome.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/15/2024 4:19 pm : link
Went to Disney World once. And that was enough for me. Just not my thing.
Les in TO  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/15/2024 4:23 pm : link
The last (and final) time we went, my wife and son had to wake up before sunrise to go find a spot that had WiFi so they could get the us the "right" to stand in line for the Star Wars ride. They spent 20 minutes or so hitting refresh over and over again just to get virtual queue.

Now, based on what I've seen with Fast Pass gone, you have to pay to have the right to stand in line for rides you already paid for (when you bought the park ticket). And you have to know when and now to sign up for that. Now imagine someone who has never been to the park and doesn't know any of this in advance (it sounds so crazy on the surface that a newbie wouldn't even believe it).

They basically are only catering to the upper middle class/rich now.

Disney basically operates on nostalgia right now. Because the experience certainly isn't worth it. Put yourself in the shoes of the kids too. "No Johnny, we can't ride the ride you want. It's not part of our battle plan."
RE: Les in TO  
Greg from LI : 4/15/2024 4:28 pm : link
In comment 16469869 Eric from BBI said:
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They basically are only catering to the upper middle class/rich now.


It's nuts how expensive that place is. I'm far from rich but our household income is in the top third nationally so comfortably middle class, and going there for a week is way beyond our means.
Eric  
Les in TO : 4/15/2024 4:30 pm : link
Yup it was stressful to constantly go into the app all day and book the next rides, sometimes at the expense of spontaneity . And definitely stretched the budget. But I did appreciate not waiting in long lines with two young kids - my vacation time is limited and willing to pay a premium for convenience. And they had an absolute blast. We covered all the highlights sometimes multiple times. That said, for us it’s one and done. We aren’t going to go back there every year and probably not ever again as a family. Too many other places and things to see.
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