Peter Schrager Mock draft 1.0

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I'm confident they make a move for Maye. Would they also for McCarthy? Idk.

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Is that Schrager is one to pay attention to. I think this bodes well for the people who want a QB.

I think Maye and McCarthy could both be in play depending on how things break.

as that looks to be fair trade value

Please

Grit and other asshats said that the Giants wouldn't event take JJM at #6. My guess is they are more likely to be correct than Schrager.

In comment 16470229 AcidTest said:

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Grit and other asshats said that the Giants wouldn't event take JJM at #6. My guess is they are more likely to be correct than Schrager.

My guess is you’re wrong.

At least a two this year and next. Possibly next year’s 1.

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Grit and other asshats said that the Giants wouldn't event take JJM at #6. My guess is they are more likely to be correct than Schrager.

Schrager is one guy I tend to pay attention to with the Giants.

But again I have to ask, how are Maye and McCarthy at trade up cost better than Penix (or Nix) at 6 with no trade up cost? I just don't see it.

In comment 16470233 jeff57 said:

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At least a two this year and next. Possibly next year’s 1.

I agree that that feels less expensive than expected.

In comment 16470233 jeff57 said:

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At least a two this year and next. Possibly next year’s 1.

Maybe for #3 they would. Depends how AZ views the WRs.

I just get the impression the Giants are feeding a different story to every other guy. Now we have this one as opposed to the other half dozen scenarios we’ve seen. Maybe he’s right. Someone has to be.

Otherwise, it makes little sense for them.

I would be surprised if the Giants didn't stay at 6.

In comment 16470233 jeff57 said:

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At least a two this year and next. Possibly next year’s 1.

Not according to these guys who have nailed previous first round trade ups for QBs:


This is actually more than they predict, they say 2025 2nd and pick 107 - ( New Window )

In comment 16470235 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 16470229 AcidTest said: Quote: Grit and other asshats said that the Giants wouldn't event take JJM at #6. My guess is they are more likely to be correct than Schrager. Schrager is one guy I tend to pay attention to with the Giants.

Interesting, even GiantGrit said they're doing a great job keeping everyone guessing and that some info is good some is bad.

and getting McCarthy. Perfect move in my book.

Would buy an extra remote controller in case first one didn’t break the set!

In comment 16470239 Go Terps said:

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But again I have to ask, how are Maye and McCarthy at trade up cost better than Penix (or Nix) at 6 with no trade up cost? I just don't see it.

Any of the top 6 QBs and I'll be thrilled. Take a swing. Try.

In comment 16470279 BleedBlue46 said:

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In comment 16470233 jeff57 said: Quote: At least a two this year and next. Possibly next year’s 1. Not according to these guys who have nailed previous first round trade ups for QBs: This is actually more than they predict, they say 2025 2nd and pick 107 - ( New Window )

Yes. This doesn’t feel like an underpay to me. Could it be a bit more? Possibly. But let's face it. It's moving up two spots to get the 4th QB in the draft. The Vikings want Maye. I don't get the sense they are opening the war chest for McCarthy. The Cardinals only serious dance partner might be the Giants.

Because Arizona doesn’t have to be convinced to drop to 6. They may actually be in favor of it and won’t demand the moon.

Most likely a no trade? AZ isn't missing out on one of the 3 top WRs by trading w Minny.

In comment 16470309 LauderdaleMatty said:

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Most likely a no trade? AZ isn't missing out on one of the 3 top WRs by trading w Minny.

The Chargers would be the concern, if you really like the guy you make this move.

Take one of the big 3 receivers, continue to tweak the OL and roll one more year with DJ.

JJM with this current group of receivers has fail written all over it....

Just to note last year he only had 3 predictions correct in first round… also had a handful of predictions of players not even selected in the first round and as far as our choice he had us selecting Jaymhr Gibbs running back.. and with the value Schoen has at running back position it made no sense.. so much for knowledge about the Giants... maybe under gettlemen not with this regime!

In comment 16470314 4xchamps said:

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Take one of the big 3 receivers, continue to tweak the OL and roll one more year with DJ. JJM with this current group of receivers has fail written all over it....

JJM has never had special receivers. Solid yes, but never special.

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In comment 16470239 Go Terps said: Quote: But again I have to ask, how are Maye and McCarthy at trade up cost better than Penix (or Nix) at 6 with no trade up cost? I just don't see it. Any of the top 6 QBs and I'll be thrilled. Take a swing. Try.

Definitely. I'll take a trade for a QB over any WR.

In comment 16470239 Go Terps said:

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But again I have to ask, how are Maye and McCarthy at trade up cost better than Penix (or Nix) at 6 with no trade up cost? I just don't see it.

This is what I'm thinking. Sit tight, I think one will be available.

I don't think this is prohibitively expensive.

Firstly, I don't think Arizona is gonna give up a chance to draft MHJr---the best overall player in the draft. Secondly, I don't think NE prefers Maye to JJM. If the Pats stay put at 3, they're either taking MHJr or JJM. My guess would be JJM.

In comment 16470338 Optimus-NY said:

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Firstly, I don't think Arizona is gonna give up a chance to draft MHJr---the best overall player in the draft. Secondly, I don't think NE prefers Maye to JJM. If the Pats stay put at 3, they're either taking MHJr or JJM. My guess would be JJM.

It's not even clear MHJ is the best player at his position in this draft never mind best player. He's not the best player. Teams in line to draft him are looking to trade down. And those teams desperately need wide receivers. That's not what teams do when facing the prospect of drafting the best player. You know what teams do when they have the best player in front of them? They don't waver and pick him.
The best player is Caleb Williams who has been the presumptive first pick for almost a year and a half. If Caleb Williams turns out to be merely good, and MHJ is the second coming of Julio Jones, Caleb Williams will *only* be twice as valuable as MHJ. If Williams turns out to be a star, he'll be at least 3x as valuable as MHJ. That's how much more important a QB is than a WR.

In comment 16470229 AcidTest said:

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Grit and other asshats said that the Giants wouldn't event take JJM at #6. My guess is they are more likely to be correct than Schrager.

Umm, Schrager is definitely an insider in the NFL- do not discount him..

In comment 16470239 Go Terps said:

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But again I have to ask, how are Maye and McCarthy at trade up cost better than Penix (or Nix) at 6 with no trade up cost? I just don't see it.

Again, your personal preference is Penix regardless of the red flags. I still say JJM would be viewed much more highly had he played in Washington's system with those WR's but I doubt the same would be said if Penix played at Michigan..

Not for McCarthy. You trade into the top 5 for a QB with traits to be special. JJM will be a fine QB in somewhere like MN. If there are the pieces around him sure. He’s not going to carry you.

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throughout the league.
Him and Glazer are the two to pay attention to.

In comment 16470233 jeff57 said:

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At least a two this year and next. Possibly next year’s 1.

Shows why you'll never be an NFL GM.

we got more holes than lil boy blue can cover and giving up picks?
STUPID!!!

and if Maye was gone I'd prefer Nabers.

But if Schoen and Daboll like JJ enough to take him, I would trust their judgement.

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we got more holes than lil boy blue can cover and giving up picks? STUPID!!!

I second that emotion

In comment 16470239 Go Terps said:

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But again I have to ask, how are Maye and McCarthy at trade up cost better than Penix (or Nix) at 6 with no trade up cost? I just don't see it.

Agree completely. A team with this many holes should not waste draft picks to get a developmental QB.

That's not that much to give up, but I'd rather stay at 6 and let it come to them, or even trade back, if Maye is gone.

In comment 16470314 4xchamps said:

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Take one of the big 3 receivers, continue to tweak the OL and roll one more year with DJ. JJM with this current group of receivers has fail written all over it....

If you pick a QB, you pick him for his potential over the next dozen years, not what his potential is with Hodgson, lol. How many different receivers did Eli play with?

Penix was a great college QB. He isn't a great pro prospect.

and if they are moving up it is even more critical they pick the right one.

If it is McCarthy, I hope BD/MK follow the Michigan blueprint of building a very good running game with mostly the RB's.

And I don't think any are worth trading up for. It's all hype.
There are maybe six or seven good prospects to choose from and none really stand out. So many on this site have the top 4 QB's in Canton already. Maye and McCarthy are getting better by the day based on nothing they did on the field . Keep our picks and take Penix at six . His arm talent alone is enough for me .

In comment 16470401 averagejoe said:

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And I don't think any are worth trading up for. It's all hype. There are maybe six or seven good prospects to choose from and none really stand out. So many on this site have the top 4 QB's in Canton already. Maye and McCarthy are getting better by the day based on nothing they did on the field . Keep our picks and take Penix at six . His arm talent alone is enough for me .

I can get behind this.

Fixed:

1. Chi Caleb William
2. Wash Jayden Daniels
3. NE Drake Maye
4. Minn JJ Mccarthy (Trade with Ari #4 pick)
5. LAC Marvin Harrison jr
6. NYG Rome Odunze