So this is Year 3 of free agency under Joe Schoen. What I think is interesting is that in all three offseasons, he has only signed a few free agents from other teams to multi-year deals. And all of these guys were signed at the very start of free agency. Every other free agent was signed to 1-year deals.
Here are the guys who have been signed to more than one year:
2022:
- OG Mark Glowinski
- QB Tyrod Taylor
2023:
- NT Rakeem Nunez-Roches
- ILB Bobby Okereke
2024:
- OG Jon Runyan, Jr.
- RB Devin Singletary
- OG/OT Jermaine Eluemunor
- OC/OG Austin Schlottmann
I think he wants to maintain cap flexibility.
Other than Okereke, the biggest contracts he's given out to date are re-signing their own players (Daniel Jones, Dexter Lawrence, Andrew Thomas) and trade (Brian Burns). They also took on a large contract when they traded for Darren Waller.
New York Giants Player Salaries - ( New Window )
most teams have fewer than a dozen total multi-year veteran contracts (and that includes players they draft/extend).
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he thinks will be starters or periodic in game rotational players to longer contracts and then fills in holes with vet minimum contracts...
I think he wants to maintain cap flexibility.
Other than Okereke, the biggest contracts he's given out to date are re-signing their own players (Daniel Jones, Dexter Lawrence, Andrew Thomas) and trade (Brian Burns). They also took on a large contract when they traded for Darren Waller.
Aside from Okereke, who would be worth a longer contract? That was a tremendously good signing. Glowinski was a bad one(or another victim of Bobby Johnson).
This year’s crop should be the best yet. 3 guaranteed starting players and I like signing a backup center/guard to a 2-year deal.
I'd say Burns and LW are the same situation ... used a pick to acquire the player and had to sign a large long term deal. Adoree besides injury did well. Forcing your #1 CB to punt returns begrudgingly, because he admitted he was not comfortable in the role, and seeing him get nicked and forcing back out there only to get the major injury he just avoided is ALL on Daboll. That was mismanagement of his players. Joe put him in that poor position, however a HC should let it be known to his GM we do not have a viable option at PR.
Banks didn't show a lot as a rookie RB imv and then he had to add a FA at that spot.
Draft well. Keep your best talent and fill in with a few talented FA's where needed. The right rookie QB makes it easier.
hasaan reddick
2023
nobody, though bradberry's 1 year ended up turning into a multi-year
2024
barkley
huff
chauncey gardner-johnson
rest all 1 year deals and trades (usually for guys on 1 year deals like swift).
jets have been a really active team last few years right?
jordan whitehead
laken tomlinson
dj reed
cj uzomah
tyler conklin
2023
rodgers (trade)
lazard
2024
tyrod
only so many good multi-year players can be found in FA in a given year.
this link to the comp pick page is basically a FA scorecard for any team any year. go back to that massive 2016 FA class reese signed which i always think of as our biggest FA class ever, it was just the 3 guys multiyear (vernon, snacks, jackrabbit) and they had let prince amukamara go which basically ended up canceling out jenkins.
gettleman's 4 offseasons were:
2 (solder, kareem martin)
2 (golden tate, zeitler trade)
2 (bradberry, martinez)
2 (golladay, adoree jackson)
https://overthecap.com/compensatory-picks - ( New Window )
First few days is when multi year deals are done. After that it's largely 1 year deals.
I think you are right. It's a lot to do with with Cap flexibility.
2018:
- LB/DE Kareem Martin
- LT Nate Solder
- OG Patrick Omameh
- S Michael Thomas
- LB Connor Barwin
- RB Jonathan Stewart
2019:
- WR Golden Tate
- S Antoine Bethea
2020:
- CB James Bradberry
- LB Blake Martinez
- TE Levine Toilolo
2021:
- RB Devontae Booker
- WR Kenny Golladay
- CB Adoree’ Jackson
- TE Kyle Rudolph
+1
Also, the hard rule on second contracts is - only pay big money to guys you know are worth it. Dex, Thomas, Burns
Mistake- Jones
Gone - Saquon, McKinney...Leo Williams
The middle class in the NFL seems to continue to shrink
2018:
- LB/DE Kareem Martin
- LT Nate Solder
- OG Patrick Omameh
- S Michael Thomas
- LB Connor Barwin
- RB Jonathan Stewart
2019:
- WR Golden Tate
- S Antoine Bethea
2020:
- CB James Bradberry
- LB Blake Martinez
- TE Levine Toilolo
2021:
- RB Devontae Booker
- WR Kenny Golladay
- CB Adoree’ Jackson
- TE Kyle Rudolph
Wow, that is an awful list. There are 3 solid players on it. I still LOL at some of the BBI’ers who so ardently defended the Jonathan Stewart signing.
I guess we are doing consistently well signing former pro bowl TEs that do nothing when they get here.
2018:
- LB/DE Kareem Martin
- LT Nate Solder
- OG Patrick Omameh
- S Michael Thomas
- LB Connor Barwin
- RB Jonathan Stewart
2019:
- WR Golden Tate
- S Antoine Bethea
2020:
- CB James Bradberry
- LB Blake Martinez
- TE Levine Toilolo
2021:
- RB Devontae Booker
- WR Kenny Golladay
- CB Adoree’ Jackson
- TE Kyle Rudolph
gettleman overpaid non-starters and did mostly poorly with his lower level signings but the numbers are still similar. you have 15 in 4 years = 3.75 with schoen at 6 in 3 years for 3.0.
my point is in no way propping up gettleman, just pointing out the number of multi-year deals all teams give out to FA is pretty standard and lower than people realize. this is why fans overrate having a lot of cap space. no matter how much cap space you have there is only so much you can do. and it's very easy for even the biggest things you do in a given offseason to fail (glowinski, waller). that is why you give up a 2nd for a player like burns whose odds of productively getting through multiple seasons with plus value are higher.
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Similar, but there were more under Gettleman:
2018:
- LB/DE Kareem Martin
- LT Nate Solder
- OG Patrick Omameh
- S Michael Thomas
- LB Connor Barwin
- RB Jonathan Stewart
2019:
- WR Golden Tate
- S Antoine Bethea
2020:
- CB James Bradberry
- LB Blake Martinez
- TE Levine Toilolo
2021:
- RB Devontae Booker
- WR Kenny Golladay
- CB Adoree’ Jackson
- TE Kyle Rudolph
gettleman overpaid non-starters and did mostly poorly with his lower level signings but the numbers are still similar. you have 15 in 4 years = 3.75 with schoen at 6 in 3 years for 3.0.
my point is in no way propping up gettleman, just pointing out the number of multi-year deals all teams give out to FA is pretty standard and lower than people realize. this is why fans overrate having a lot of cap space. no matter how much cap space you have there is only so much you can do. and it's very easy for even the biggest things you do in a given offseason to fail (glowinski, waller). that is why you give up a 2nd for a player like burns whose odds of productively getting through multiple seasons with plus value are higher.
But DG’s BA is MUCH lower. Leaving out this year’s signings (as we don’t know how they will pan out), Schoen is 3 for 4 in finding usable to good (in Okereke’s case, very good) players, while DG hit on 3 out of 15, with only one very good player (Bradberry).
2018:
- LB/DE Kareem Martin
- LT Nate Solder
- OG Patrick Omameh
- S Michael Thomas
- LB Connor Barwin
- RB Jonathan Stewart
2019:
- WR Golden Tate
- S Antoine Bethea
2020:
- CB James Bradberry
- LB Blake Martinez
- TE Levine Toilolo
2021:
- RB Devontae Booker
- WR Kenny Golladay
- CB Adoree’ Jackson
- TE Kyle Rudolph
Just an awful list of players and some incredibly large overpays to boot.
Eric on li - how many of your A-graded deals did you toss out from this list...5 or 6?
Here is the entire 2018 free agent period for the Giants...
New York Giants 2018 Free Agency Scorecard - ( New Window )
A few thoughts:
-Waller's number(s) stick out like a sore thumb
-Very little investment in the WR position; Slayton is a steal at that salary
-Seems like a great time to re-up with Jason Pinnock
One of the only things that BBI has agreed upon in the last 10 years was how we immediately lampooned the signing of Levine Toilolo, a banged-up 'never-was' overpaid blocking TE who DG brought in as dead roster weight. And we were right.
Misses in the draft cause you to overpay for lesser talent. It happened with DG and it’s happening with Schoen. Year 3 of a player is when they should be resigned to avoid paying the higher cost. It’s a little gamble but a win for both sides. Out top drafted players have unfortunately been injured or underperformed so we get up against the tag or walk.
McKinney should have been resigned last offseason to a moderate deal. We let him play out the season, he had a good year and we were forced to tag or let him walk. We should have tagged him and worked out a contract. He wouldn’t have cost the same as what he got.
The point is that the draft sets your team up for success. Getting 2-3 quality starters each year should sustain your franchise. In rounds 1-2 you should get starters at minimum and in round 3 a possible starter but solid depth. Every 4 years that’s 10 players roughly. Then another 2-3 starters from the later rounds every 4 years. If you keep your quality players by resigning after 3 years instead of at their deadlines you save money and get more longevity. Pay less than a similar or worse player in FA.
Busting at any pick on rounds 1-3 kills the process. Toney busted so we have no one to extend from that draft. If Ojulari is having a decent season he might be a good in season resign candidate as your 3rd edge rusher on a reasonable deal. But the process has to start and the drafts have not been great. We need 3 starters this draft. 1 home run, 1 plus starter and 1 solid starter to turn this around.
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but it shows where the money is being allocated by position... New York Giants Player Salaries - ( New Window )
A few thoughts:
-Waller's number(s) stick out like a sore thumb
-Very little investment in the WR position; Slayton is a steal at that salary
-Seems like a great time to re-up with Jason Pinnock
Pinnock may not be a great fit for Bowen's defense. We need to see how that plays out.