On staying at 6. My preference would be for the QB, so starting there, in terms of the draft, we are in a time of quality WRs being the most plentiful in the draft year-over-year.
I definitely agree with Sy that drafting a receiver, specifically a #1 receiver, is an imperative. A guy like Ladd McConkey, who is a slot guy really, wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Adonai Mitchell will very likely be off the board by 47. I don't think they should trade up very much (cost), because I think you need to come away with a starting-caliber RB in this draft in rounds 3-5...probably by round 4 at latest.
Ricky Pearsall, a guy I took for the Rams in the BBI mock, is really exciting to me. He's not going to be much of a contested catch guy, although he can leap through the roof (check out his combine). But he's a good separator and route-runner, with great hands. He can play outside or inside. He would be a strong addition with Wan'Dale and Hyatt.
But again, going back to the earlier point, every year we are seeing multiple high-end WR talent come out of the draft. We have to remember that drafting a QB is not about the immediate year. What are the expectations for 2024? It's about development (hopefully) of your young QB. Assuming this is Maye or McCarthy, and going from that starting point, Maye is probably going to need more acclimation and coaching up. If he gets thrown into the fire very quickly, then I would expect a lot of struggling and turnovers.
McCarthy I have more trust in his decision-making and playing a cleaner brand of football. In addition, either choice means having a credible lead running back would take some pressure off.
In any case, when you start a rookie QB, you're not generally thinking that you're making a deep playoff run in that rookie season. So you don't force the pick at WR. Take one if the value is there, but if a guy grades out several ticks higher at 47, take the better player.
It's just fine to wait until 2025 if needed to marry your young QB to a bonafide #1 WR in next year's draft. I know this is not what we all want to hear, but again, this isn't all about 2024. This also means that retaining that 2025 first rounder has some relative importance.
Whichever route they go, be it QB or WR, it's going to be tough to add the quality we want to see at both positions in just this draft.
I defer to patience, and addressing the most pressing need first...the QB, if possible at 6. And if it's not there, take Odunze and see what develops at 47 or later. Even a pick of Spencer Rattler in the 3rd doesn't preclude a QB pick in the first next year. Again, this isn't my preference, but I wouldn't mortgage next year's first rounder in any case. Play this right, and the Giants can be well-positioned going into 2025 and forward for the long haul. The long game is the play, it usually is.
Given the reported WR depth, don’t need to trade up or force the pick. Solid prospects are likely to be there in round 3 or 4. NYG have more needs than they can fill this cycle.
RE: Then what? Well, hopefuly it works out, if not we are in for
another 5 years of lousy football and looking once again for a qb. Fill hole, get better players and if absolutely necessary draft a qb next year.
Wait your view is they shouldn’t draft a qb this because Daniel deserves a sixth season, but if we draft a rookie this year we should draft another qb next year? Wtf?
Qb in 1st round Im dangling next years 1st to get a top 5 receiver Odunze or possibly Thomas & keep this year’s 2nd for c/b or d/l
Sorry... you're not trading up from 47 to get Odunze or Thomas. It would take a lot more than next year's 1st. And like I said, the WR crop year-over-year is strong. Be patient and let the draft come to you, both wrt to this year's picks and 2025.
Neither Maye nor McCarthy are on his level as a deep ball and outside the numbers passer. And what do the WRs already on the roster do well? Beat people with deep speed.
I think Penix meshes best with what we've already got - Hyatt in particular. I get pictures in my head of what Deshaun Watson and Will Fuller were doing together in Houston - getting 11 yards per target and opening up the entire intermediate area for the other receivers.
We can spend the rest of the time celebrating the fact that we're going to multiple Superbowls over the next 5 or 10 years, so we can party on chapagne and caviar, take a little nap to prepare and then wake up Friday and take the best player on our board in the second round. But it's gonna be PARTY TIME!!!! (yes, I'm a little sarcastic here....)
I think at that point the focus should be OL and DL. Need another edge, someone to push or replace Neal, etc.
I think there is more potential in the WRs than is generally thought.
I'm going to push back on Edge.
We just traded a second rounder and paid Burns $150M, $76M guaranteed. He's now one of the top paid pass rushers in the NFL. And KT was a lottery pick.
So, the expectations should be very, very high that our pass rush is SOLVED for now.
I don't mind adding more pieces to a premium need, but, JFC, who have made significant investments. Let's see what they can do together, especially since they are players who have played in the NFL.
Disclaimer: If we were to trade KT to move up to grab the QB, then that changes the dynamics of my position.
You can never have to many pass rushers - that's something Accorsi said that I think still sticks today. Hopefully the rush from the edges is a strength - I'm always interested in strengthening a strength.
You can never have to many pass rushers - that's something Accorsi said that I think still sticks today. Hopefully the rush from the edges is a strength - I'm always interested in strengthening a strength.
Lombardi has speculated that rushers and the tackles will rise up the board late. I agree with him. Fans tend to overhype WRs every year.
If they drafted a premium Edge, I'd tend to think the clock would be ticking for KT to be traded before the end of his rookie deal.
Yeah, that's the issue. IMO, they would have to jettison KT. And I would look to do that now with KT coming off a double-digit sacks season where his value may be high...
(Although KT's value may be less than we think because he did not grade out very well overall. PFF ranked him #88 overall as an Edge defender in 2023.)
RE: RE: You can never have to many pass rushers until
If they drafted a premium Edge, I'd tend to think the clock would be ticking for KT to be traded before the end of his rookie deal.
Yeah, that's the issue. IMO, they would have to jettison KT. And I would look to do that now with KT coming off a double-digit sacks season where his value may be high...
(Although KT's value may be less than we think because he did not grade out very well overall. PFF ranked him #88 overall as an Edge defender in 2023.)
Then package KT in with the move up for your boy Maye if the Pats or Cardinals value him equal to our 2025 1st.
Then package KT in with the move up for your boy Maye if the Pats or Cardinals value him equal to our 2025 1st.
Where do I sign?
Imagine we could trade up with AZ for Maye for just KT and pick swap. They do need a pass rusher badly. Plus you still got 2 years of rookie contract then 5th year option. It's realistic. You know i would prefer JJM, but I'm fine if it's Maye. We aren't going to have a better opportunity for a potential franchise QB for a while if you ask me. Now is the time to strike.
I think there is more potential in the WRs than is generally thought.
OMG! Did you just suggest possibly drafting a QB next year?
Now I have seen everything.
They’ll go by their board and make the best value picks - do it well and we’ll see results on the field. Do it poorly…the clock is ticking.
Get the QB is job number one in my view.
Assuming so, I would stay at #47 and simply wait.
I definitely agree with Sy that drafting a receiver, specifically a #1 receiver, is an imperative. A guy like Ladd McConkey, who is a slot guy really, wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Adonai Mitchell will very likely be off the board by 47. I don't think they should trade up very much (cost), because I think you need to come away with a starting-caliber RB in this draft in rounds 3-5...probably by round 4 at latest.
Ricky Pearsall, a guy I took for the Rams in the BBI mock, is really exciting to me. He's not going to be much of a contested catch guy, although he can leap through the roof (check out his combine). But he's a good separator and route-runner, with great hands. He can play outside or inside. He would be a strong addition with Wan'Dale and Hyatt.
But again, going back to the earlier point, every year we are seeing multiple high-end WR talent come out of the draft. We have to remember that drafting a QB is not about the immediate year. What are the expectations for 2024? It's about development (hopefully) of your young QB. Assuming this is Maye or McCarthy, and going from that starting point, Maye is probably going to need more acclimation and coaching up. If he gets thrown into the fire very quickly, then I would expect a lot of struggling and turnovers.
McCarthy I have more trust in his decision-making and playing a cleaner brand of football. In addition, either choice means having a credible lead running back would take some pressure off.
In any case, when you start a rookie QB, you're not generally thinking that you're making a deep playoff run in that rookie season. So you don't force the pick at WR. Take one if the value is there, but if a guy grades out several ticks higher at 47, take the better player.
It's just fine to wait until 2025 if needed to marry your young QB to a bonafide #1 WR in next year's draft. I know this is not what we all want to hear, but again, this isn't all about 2024. This also means that retaining that 2025 first rounder has some relative importance.
Whichever route they go, be it QB or WR, it's going to be tough to add the quality we want to see at both positions in just this draft.
I defer to patience, and addressing the most pressing need first...the QB, if possible at 6. And if it's not there, take Odunze and see what develops at 47 or later. Even a pick of Spencer Rattler in the 3rd doesn't preclude a QB pick in the first next year. Again, this isn't my preference, but I wouldn't mortgage next year's first rounder in any case. Play this right, and the Giants can be well-positioned going into 2025 and forward for the long haul. The long game is the play, it usually is.
Wait your view is they shouldn’t draft a qb this because Daniel deserves a sixth season, but if we draft a rookie this year we should draft another qb next year? Wtf?
Thomas is not going to be in play with the Giants either having a QB, Odunze, or Nabers available at 6.
Unless you trade down a bit.
I think there is more potential in the WRs than is generally thought.
Same, trenches for sure and fortify/insure the DL especially
Sorry... you're not trading up from 47 to get Odunze or Thomas. It would take a lot more than next year's 1st. And like I said, the WR crop year-over-year is strong. Be patient and let the draft come to you, both wrt to this year's picks and 2025.
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I think at that point the focus should be OL and DL. Need another edge, someone to push or replace Neal, etc.
I think there is more potential in the WRs than is generally thought.
Same, trenches for sure and fortify/insure the DL especially
Would love to see someone like a Braden Fisk at #47.
I think Penix meshes best with what we've already got - Hyatt in particular. I get pictures in my head of what Deshaun Watson and Will Fuller were doing together in Houston - getting 11 yards per target and opening up the entire intermediate area for the other receivers.
It is deep but not that deep. We could be on WR12 or so by that time.
I would go offense though like a top RB or a decent TE which is a young QBs best friend. Or WR but not slot.
I think there is more potential in the WRs than is generally thought.
Agree. OG/CB/WR would all be in play, I'd think I put CB above DT, but if the value is there...
I think there is more potential in the WRs than is generally thought.
Agreed, if we hit on QB our current WRs may be much more solid than anyone could imagine.
I think there is more potential in the WRs than is generally thought.
Agreed. The QB has made the WRs look bad more than the other way around.
I think there is more potential in the WRs than is generally thought.
I'm going to push back on Edge.
We just traded a second rounder and paid Burns $150M, $76M guaranteed. He's now one of the top paid pass rushers in the NFL. And KT was a lottery pick.
So, the expectations should be very, very high that our pass rush is SOLVED for now.
I don't mind adding more pieces to a premium need, but, JFC, who have made significant investments. Let's see what they can do together, especially since they are players who have played in the NFL.
Disclaimer: If we were to trade KT to move up to grab the QB, then that changes the dynamics of my position.
My favorite realistic shortlist options:
Round 2:
WR: Troy Franklin, Roman Wilson, AD Mitchell.
CB: Mike Sainristil, Kamari Lassiter
OL: Cooper Beebe
DL: Kris Jenkins
Round 3:
WR: Xavier Legette, Devontez Walker
CB: Max Melton, D.J. James
OL: Zak Zinter
Lombardi has speculated that rushers and the tackles will rise up the board late. I agree with him. Fans tend to overhype WRs every year.
If they drafted a premium Edge, I'd tend to think the clock would be ticking for KT to be traded before the end of his rookie deal.
If they drafted a premium Edge, I'd tend to think the clock would be ticking for KT to be traded before the end of his rookie deal.
Yeah, that's the issue. IMO, they would have to jettison KT. And I would look to do that now with KT coming off a double-digit sacks season where his value may be high...
(Although KT's value may be less than we think because he did not grade out very well overall. PFF ranked him #88 overall as an Edge defender in 2023.)
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you have to pay all of them. grin.
If they drafted a premium Edge, I'd tend to think the clock would be ticking for KT to be traded before the end of his rookie deal.
Yeah, that's the issue. IMO, they would have to jettison KT. And I would look to do that now with KT coming off a double-digit sacks season where his value may be high...
(Although KT's value may be less than we think because he did not grade out very well overall. PFF ranked him #88 overall as an Edge defender in 2023.)
Then package KT in with the move up for your boy Maye if the Pats or Cardinals value him equal to our 2025 1st.
Lombardi has speculated that rushers and the tackles will rise up the board late. I agree with him. Fans tend to overhype WRs every year.
The edge players identified as day-one grades are right in the heart of the first-round projections: Verse, Turner, Latu, Robinson.
Who else do you think is going to rise?
Then package KT in with the move up for your boy Maye if the Pats or Cardinals value him equal to our 2025 1st.
Where do I sign?
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Then package KT in with the move up for your boy Maye if the Pats or Cardinals value him equal to our 2025 1st.
Where do I sign?
Imagine we could trade up with AZ for Maye for just KT and pick swap. They do need a pass rusher badly. Plus you still got 2 years of rookie contract then 5th year option. It's realistic. You know i would prefer JJM, but I'm fine if it's Maye. We aren't going to have a better opportunity for a potential franchise QB for a while if you ask me. Now is the time to strike.
Or Pick 6, KT and a 2025 2nd for pick 3?
I agree.
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Let the draft come to you at that point. CB/WR/DT would all be in play I would think.
I agree.
I agree but I would add RB/TE/OL too
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