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NFT: Round One: Washington Capitals and NY Rangers

Anakim : 4/16/2024 9:59 pm
It’s official. Laviolette against the team that fired him.

Ovechkin, Oshie, Carlson, McIlrath… okay, one of these is not like the other.

I’m a bit worried about going against Charlie Lindgren. He’s had a very good season and he played very well against us.

Also, I'd play Rempe if for no other reason than to deter Tom Wilson.


LGR
WAS  
pjcas18 : 4/16/2024 10:05 pm : link
has a minus 37 goal differential.

I have to believe they are statistically one of the worst playoff teams in history.

this is the match up NYR fans wanted.

You can still get +900 on the NYR to win the cup on draft kings. I got them at +1500 in October.
RE: WAS  
Anakim : 4/16/2024 10:12 pm : link
In comment 16471429 pjcas18 said:
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has a minus 37 goal differential.

I have to believe they are statistically one of the worst playoff teams in history.

this is the match up NYR fans wanted.

You can still get +900 on the NYR to win the cup on draft kings. I got them at +1500 in October.


Lane Hutson looks like a future star for you
I really wanted to play  
dairborn : 4/16/2024 10:12 pm : link
The red wings. I guess Torts said come hell or high water I have to win in regulation regardless of the red wings score. The red wings tied the game sending it to OT and at THAT point Philly was eliminated. So instead of playing spoiler and playing with their goalie to win or at least preserve the tie,they pull their goalie even though it’s now meaningless and gift wrap the win/playoffs for the Caps! Fuck Philly! Caps are not going to be a cakewalk and Ovy is hot…
RE: RE: WAS  
pjcas18 : 4/16/2024 10:21 pm : link
In comment 16471436 Anakim said:
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has a minus 37 goal differential.

I have to believe they are statistically one of the worst playoff teams in history.

this is the match up NYR fans wanted.

You can still get +900 on the NYR to win the cup on draft kings. I got them at +1500 in October.



Lane Hutson looks like a future star for you


Never sure with the undersized D, but he was toying with defenders tonight. D-zone play will determine how good he can be, but offensively I think he's going to be good.
RE: WAS  
Anakim : 4/16/2024 10:21 pm : link
In comment 16471429 pjcas18 said:
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has a minus 37 goal differential.

I have to believe they are statistically one of the worst playoff teams in history.

this is the match up NYR fans wanted.

You can still get +900 on the NYR to win the cup on draft kings. I got them at +1500 in October.


Oshie is healthy now. I think they did quite well in the second half of the season.
No dog in the fight, but I'd play Rempe  
Diversify yo bonds : 4/16/2024 10:40 pm : link
Wilson can be deterred, and as an Islander fan I'd use the Ross Johnston example.
In the bubble playoffs, isles took a 3-0 series lead. Wilson and Hathaway started running around throwing bombs and starting scrums at every opportunity. Guys like Barzal and Eberle were targeted and flinching.

Game 5 Ross goes in the lineup. Wilson wants no part of him. Skates away from challenges. Headhunting ceases. (This was mentioned by several BBi Ranger fans after the Wilson/Panarin fiasco a few years ago.)

I think Rempe has the same effect. He's not as good a skater as Ross, and Trotz system was more zone/ area denial which suited big guys. Rempe would need to be sheltered.

Still I wouldn't want Wilson taking runs at Fox. Rempe can pound an already beat up blue line in addition to keeping caps honest.
If they can’t handle this Caps team  
Greg from LI : 4/16/2024 10:53 pm : link
Then they’re not really a contender. Simple as that. The Caps simply aren’t very good.
RE: If they can’t handle this Caps team  
Anakim : 4/16/2024 11:47 pm : link
In comment 16471467 Greg from LI said:
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Then they’re not really a contender. Simple as that. The Caps simply aren’t very good.


Have we learned nothing from the Bruins ouster last year in the first round? There are no gimmes in the Playoffs. We can't take this team lightly.
Rangers in three.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/17/2024 12:21 am : link
Caps are ass.
RE: RE: If they can’t handle this Caps team  
BC Eagles94 : 4/17/2024 12:58 am : link
In comment 16471495 Anakim said:
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Then they’re not really a contender. Simple as that. The Caps simply aren’t very good.



Have we learned nothing from the Bruins ouster last year in the first round? There are no gimmes in the Playoffs. We can't take this team lightly.


This Caps team has a goal differential 55 goals worse than last year's Panthers! There is no comparison. The Caps stink and are one of the worst playoff teams in a while. In fact the last team with a worse goal diff to make the playoffs was over 30 years ago. The last team to even be -30 or worse was the Sharks in '95.

They're third highest scoring forward has 35 points...35! Dylan Strome leads the team in points, Dylan Strome! This is the best matchup they could have gotten. With that said, it's sports...so you never know. And that applies to hockey more than others due to puck luck and hot goalies. But the Rangers could not have gotten an easier 1st round match up.
Can someone tell me why  
Route 9 : 4/17/2024 2:42 am : link
The Flyers pulled their goalie with a 1-1 tie?
RE: Can someone tell me why  
Route 9 : 4/17/2024 2:56 am : link
In comment 16471512 Route 9 said:
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The Flyers pulled their goalie with a 1-1 tie?


Head coach of the Philadelphia Flyers' John Tortorella acknowledged that he pulled his goalie without knowing that the Detroit Red Wings had scored an equalizer in their game.The incident took place during the Flyers’ crucial game against the Washington Capitals, a game they had to win in time to stay in the playoff race.
RE: Can someone tell me why  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/17/2024 3:06 am : link
In comment 16471512 Route 9 said:
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The Flyers pulled their goalie with a 1-1 tie?


Because they would’ve been eliminated by the Caps getting a point for the game going to OT. Flyers had to win in regulation.

Rempe is playing in the playoffs regardless of that dickhead Wilson. That’s why he dressed those final two games.

Caps aren’t good, but Oshie plays like prime Jagr against the Rangers so I doubt it will be easy.
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Route 9 : 4/17/2024 3:09 am : link
Oh ok. I had the sound muted and they said the Flyers weren't aware that Detroit tied the game.
RE: Rangers in three.  
RCPhoenix : 4/17/2024 4:36 am : link
In comment 16471500 BrettNYG10 said:
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Caps are ass.


Didn’t the Caps split the season series with the Rangers? They closed the season strong & they have a hot goalie.
First round  
SJGiant : 4/17/2024 6:35 am : link
Of the Stanley Cup playoffs is a best of 7 game series.
Who the fuck is JOHN DRUCE?  
rnargi : 4/17/2024 6:45 am : link


Don't tell me it will be easy. It's the fucking Capitals. The team I hate more than any team in sports.
RE: ......  
Costy16 : 4/17/2024 7:02 am : link
In comment 16471515 Route 9 said:
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Oh ok. I had the sound muted and they said the Flyers weren't aware that Detroit tied the game.



They tied it with 3.3 seconds left.
RE: No dog in the fight, but I'd play Rempe  
Victor in CT : 4/17/2024 7:35 am : link
In comment 16471458 Diversify yo bonds said:
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Wilson can be deterred, and as an Islander fan I'd use the Ross Johnston example.
In the bubble playoffs, isles took a 3-0 series lead. Wilson and Hathaway started running around throwing bombs and starting scrums at every opportunity. Guys like Barzal and Eberle were targeted and flinching.

Game 5 Ross goes in the lineup. Wilson wants no part of him. Skates away from challenges. Headhunting ceases. (This was mentioned by several BBi Ranger fans after the Wilson/Panarin fiasco a few years ago.)

I think Rempe has the same effect. He's not as good a skater as Ross, and Trotz system was more zone/ area denial which suited big guys. Rempe would need to be sheltered.

Still I wouldn't want Wilson taking runs at Fox. Rempe can pound an already beat up blue line in addition to keeping caps honest.


Rempe-Goodrow-Vesey HAS to be the 4th line. They're simply better when this unit plays. The deterrent factor is gravy.
Fans love  
pjcas18 : 4/17/2024 8:10 am : link
Rempe and players like him for obvious reasons, coaches hesitate to play players like him at their career stage due to the defensive zone limitations outweighing any offensive zone advantages.

I don't know this to be fact, I didn't watch Rempe a lot, but my guess is his minutes were so low because he got lost defensively and coaches care more about a the puck winding up in their net than they do about a guy who fore checks or deters Tom Wilson.

If Lavy is not confident Rempe understands positionally where to be in the d-zone, who to cover, how to switch coverage on the cycle, and how to break out consistently he isn't going to play him in the playoffs. Coaches prioritize D over O and other factors especially in the playoffs and especially for the 4th line.

Playing the Capitals the margin of team quality does give Lavy some leeway however, and playing is the best way to learn if you have that luxury, so who knows how he handles it, but if Rempe is not in the lineup it's likely because Lavy is not comfortable with him defensively. And if he's not he shouldn't be regardless of what fans think.
RE: If they can’t handle this Caps team  
Bear vs Shark : 4/17/2024 8:20 am : link
In comment 16471467 Greg from LI said:
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Then they’re not really a contender. Simple as that. The Caps simply aren’t very good.
Seriously. Are we collectively as Rangers fans so shell-shocked that we fear the Caps? I get not wanting to play Tampa, or hell, even Pitt. But if this team couldn't/can't beat the Caps/Flyers/Red Wings, they were a big of a paper tiger all along.

The only team that strikes fear into my metaphorical heart is the Canes. They are the one team I am unsure the Rangers would beat 50% of the time in a series.
Hope Laviolette has them snarling out of the gate  
ColHowPepper : 4/17/2024 8:30 am : link
I'm with Victor: there's diversity of effectiveness on that line. Albeit Vesey has his share of gaffes, he is more often in the right place, right time. Goodrow has been nothing short of solid through this run to playoffs, never mind his arch detractors. Rempe so deliberately declined to get into it with Tkachuk (I liked Walter's spelling better) late Monday, has to count for something for Lavvy, right?

You know who else had a solid game Monday night? JT. To me he looked more careful in his outlets and choices of when to pinch. All the Rangers, d-men and Fs, drive me batty with their blind, backhand clearing attempts along the wall in their own end. I don't get the coach's decision to scratch Jones.

If Zib and Kreider decide to play their asses off, + a semblance of 200', let the chips fall where they may. If they don't demo leadership on and off the ice, Rangers are playing shorthanded.

This group of coaches has been a major influence in the close knit feeling of this group. At end of 2nd intermission, teams back on their benches, I believe it was Peca leaned over Kakko's shoulder and whispered in his ear. The way I read it--he had had relatively few shifts--Peca was giving him encouragement. Gallant this group is not.

Hey, yo' bonds? The groundhog decided no mo' 2 months of winter because its playoff time? lol welcome back to the fray.
RE: RE: No dog in the fight, but I'd play Rempe  
Costy16 : 4/17/2024 8:52 am : link
In comment 16471542 Victor in CT said:
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Wilson can be deterred, and as an Islander fan I'd use the Ross Johnston example.
In the bubble playoffs, isles took a 3-0 series lead. Wilson and Hathaway started running around throwing bombs and starting scrums at every opportunity. Guys like Barzal and Eberle were targeted and flinching.

Game 5 Ross goes in the lineup. Wilson wants no part of him. Skates away from challenges. Headhunting ceases. (This was mentioned by several BBi Ranger fans after the Wilson/Panarin fiasco a few years ago.)

I think Rempe has the same effect. He's not as good a skater as Ross, and Trotz system was more zone/ area denial which suited big guys. Rempe would need to be sheltered.

Still I wouldn't want Wilson taking runs at Fox. Rempe can pound an already beat up blue line in addition to keeping caps honest.



Rempe-Goodrow-Vesey HAS to be the 4th line. They're simply better when this unit plays. The deterrent factor is gravy.


I believe their record was 14-2-1 during the regular season when Rempe plays.
RE: Who the fuck is JOHN DRUCE?  
Greg from LI : 4/17/2024 9:07 am : link
In comment 16471528 rnargi said:
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Don't tell me it will be easy. It's the fucking Capitals. The team I hate more than any team in sports.


Um, you know that was 35 years ago, right?
1st round is  
section125 : 4/17/2024 9:09 am : link
always dangerous. Hoping that they do not come out full of themselves and flat.
Get passed the 1st round and then let the chips fall.
Why do some of you keep saying the Caps finished the season strong?  
Greg from LI : 4/17/2024 9:18 am : link
Last two months, they went 13-9-2. Over the same stretch the Rangers were 15-6-1, which included road wins over Carolina, Boston, and Colorado.

Again - yes, anything can happen and that's why they play the games. This is a series the Rangers should win fairly easily IF they truly are a Cup contender. Plain and simple.

One thing - stop with the slow starts. The Caps are awful when they give up the first goal - 12-26-6 (the Rangers are 20-15-1 in those situations). Jump on em early and they lack the firepower to come back.
RE: RE: Who the fuck is JOHN DRUCE?  
rnargi : 4/17/2024 9:19 am : link
In comment 16471627 Greg from LI said:
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Don't tell me it will be easy. It's the fucking Capitals. The team I hate more than any team in sports.



Um, you know that was 35 years ago, right?


Still feels like 35 minutes ago. I'm still traumatized
Rangers in 5  
Essex : 4/17/2024 9:25 am : link
...
Last night was crazy  
Costy16 : 4/17/2024 9:26 am : link
Torts pulls the goalie late in a 1-1 game because the Flyers need a regulation win to stay alive.

Red Wings tie the game in Montreal with 3.3 seconds left, which sends the game to OT, eliminating the Flyers.

Oshie scores the ENG to give the Caps a 2-1 lead. They win, which eliminates Detroit who wins 5-4 in a shootout.

RE: RE: Rangers in three.  
Mad Mike : 4/17/2024 9:29 am : link
In comment 16471520 RCPhoenix said:
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Didn’t the Caps split the season series with the Rangers? They closed the season strong & they have a hot goalie.

The closed the season winning 3, but were still 4-4-2 in their final 10. In their last 20 they were 10-8-2, with a -13 goal differential. They're a professional NHL team, of course they could challenge the Rangers (or anyone) in a playoff series. But let's not make it more than it is - they're a middling team, that continued playing middling hockey pretty much right through the end of the season.
These 1st Round Series are crackerjack!  
ColHowPepper : 4/17/2024 10:27 am : link
Bolts - Panthers, have we had intra-FL series recently?
Leafs - Bruins
Canes - Isles

Stars - Knights
Jets - Avalanche
maybe even
Oilers - Kings
TBL  
pjcas18 : 4/17/2024 10:34 am : link
and FLA played two years ago (TBL sweep) and DAL vs LVG is not a series yet.

right now the GKs are in PAC3 and DAL is CEN1. It may wind up that way, but it may not.

The west is a mess right now, only one series locked in I believe. WINvsCOL - I outline this all in the NHL thread.
RE: TBL  
ColHowPepper : 4/17/2024 10:43 am : link
In comment 16471878 pjcas18 said:
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I outline this all in the NHL thread.

Dang! I keep forgetting about your thread.
We thank you for your service, pj.
As a long, long time Caps fan I’m pleasantly shocked to just be in  
tony stg : 4/17/2024 10:53 am : link
the playoffs this year. Quite a surprise from my pre-season expectations.

Good luck to all you NYR fans. I fully believe I will be congratulating you on your advancement in a week or two, but I’m going to enjoy the ride while it lasts.

Peace.
I hate Tony so much.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/17/2024 11:15 am : link
Such a nice guy.
RE: RE: RE: Rangers in three.  
RCPhoenix : 4/17/2024 11:46 am : link
In comment 16471688 Mad Mike said:
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Didn’t the Caps split the season series with the Rangers? They closed the season strong & they have a hot goalie.


The closed the season winning 3, but were still 4-4-2 in their final 10. In their last 20 they were 10-8-2, with a -13 goal differential. They're a professional NHL team, of course they could challenge the Rangers (or anyone) in a playoff series. But let's not make it more than it is - they're a middling team, that continued playing middling hockey pretty much right through the end of the season.


Winning their last three games is what I meant by closing strong.

I’m a Caps fan as well, and don’t expect them to advance. They have significant limitations on offense. But rivalry games are just different.
RE: These 1st Round Series are crackerjack!  
Dankbeerman : 4/17/2024 12:24 pm : link
In comment 16471862 ColHowPepper said:
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Bolts - Panthers, have we had intra-FL series recently?
Leafs - Bruins
Canes - Isles

Stars - Knights
Jets - Avalanche
maybe even
Oilers - Kings

It will be strange to have a year where only one of Toronto or Boston can have a deflating rd. 1 exit.
RE: RE: TBL  
pjcas18 : 4/17/2024 12:34 pm : link
In comment 16471912 ColHowPepper said:
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I outline this all in the NHL thread.


Dang! I keep forgetting about your thread.
We thank you for your service, pj.


It's mostly just me having conversations with myself, lol, but every now and then the BBI hockey fans join and add to the discussion.

I'll probably start a new NHL playoff thread so the non NYR/NYI fans can discuss the playoffs without worrying about "bothering" the fans of those teams.
Canes vs Isles should be a good one too  
Jints in Carolina : 4/17/2024 1:35 pm : link
Isles have been hot.
I heard the Capitals are trying to sign Ryan Leonard so they can bring  
Anakim : 4/19/2024 10:06 am : link
him in for the Playoffs like we did with Kreider 10 years ago.


Chytil being in the lineup would be big.
Ryan Leonard  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2024 10:08 am : link
announced he was returning to BC.

Of course, nothing is definite and he can change his mind, but it was announced a couple days ago.
.  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2024 10:09 am : link
Stephen Whyno
@SWhyno
#AllCaps top prospect Ryan Leonard won’t be pulling a Tom Wilson/Chris Kreider/Cale Makar by making his NHL debut in the playoffs. The 2023 No. 8 pick is going back to BC for another season:
I thought 1st round was best of 5  
5BowlsSoon : 4/19/2024 10:19 am : link
When did that get changed? Why did they change it?
RE: I thought 1st round was best of 5  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2024 10:26 am : link
In comment 16475053 5BowlsSoon said:
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When did that get changed? Why did they change it?


lol, like 20 years ago. there was an exception made for COVID and the 2020 playoffs where after the play-ins the "1st round" was made best of 5.

but after that weird year they reverted back to all best out of 7 series.
More like 40 years ago I think  
Greg from LI : 4/19/2024 10:28 am : link
.
Rangers can’t take Capitals lightly  
Rick in Dallas : 4/19/2024 10:33 am : link
Rangers need to be in playoff mode from the first period .
Charlie Lindgren in goal gives Capital’s a fighting chance
I see Rangers moving forward in 6 games.
RE: More like 40 years ago I think  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2024 10:34 am : link
In comment 16475075 Greg from LI said:
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yeah, looks like 1986-1987 season all series were made 7 games (with the noted exception).
RE: RE: I thought 1st round was best of 5  
5BowlsSoon : 4/19/2024 10:38 am : link
In comment 16475068 pjcas18 said:
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When did that get changed? Why did they change it?



lol, like 20 years ago. there was an exception made for COVID and the 2020 playoffs where after the play-ins the "1st round" was made best of 5.

but after that weird year they reverted back to all best out of 7 series.


lol,is right ….turning 70 means my brain hits the delete button on things it considers inconsequential. That was obvious one of them….gld I have your young brain around to keep me informed.
Don't feel bad 5bowls I remember those  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2024 10:50 am : link
old Adams, Norris, Patrick and Smythe days too.

those were the days, man.

the Adams division was a battle every year, Norris was the "black and blue" division because they beat each other up, it was all rivalry hockey. They tried to recreate it with the current playoff model, but I don't think it's exactly the same (or even close really) because the division teams only play each other 3 times (4 max) in the regular season. I want to say it used to be 8 or 9. Obviously more teams in the league dilutes it, but they should still look to create rivalries.



......  
Route 9 : 4/19/2024 11:21 am : link
The NBA first round used to be best of 3 until like 2003 or so. I remember Reggie Miller almost eliminated the Nets with a half court shot (before it was cool to shoot from back there) in a Game 5 elimination game.


I think.
RE: Don't feel bad 5bowls I remember those  
Route 9 : 4/19/2024 11:23 am : link
In comment 16475110 pjcas18 said:
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old Adams, Norris, Patrick and Smythe days too.

those were the days, man.

the Adams division was a battle every year, Norris was the "black and blue" division because they beat each other up, it was all rivalry hockey. They tried to recreate it with the current playoff model, but I don't think it's exactly the same (or even close really) because the division teams only play each other 3 times (4 max) in the regular season. I want to say it used to be 8 or 9. Obviously more teams in the league dilutes it, but they should still look to create rivalries.




What is the Utah team going to be named?

Nordiques?
RE: Don't feel bad 5bowls I remember those  
Greg from LI : 4/19/2024 11:52 am : link
In comment 16475110 pjcas18 said:
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old Adams, Norris, Patrick and Smythe days too.

those were the days, man.

the Adams division was a battle every year, Norris was the "black and blue" division because they beat each other up, it was all rivalry hockey. They tried to recreate it with the current playoff model, but I don't think it's exactly the same (or even close really) because the division teams only play each other 3 times (4 max) in the regular season. I want to say it used to be 8 or 9. Obviously more teams in the league dilutes it, but they should still look to create rivalries.


There were some really oddball playoff formats starting in the mid-70s. They had divisions and conferences but the playoffs weren't based on them - you could have teams from different conferences playing in the first round. And the makeup of the conferences appeared to be random: the 1976 Norris was the Habs, Kings, Penguins, Red Wings, and Caps. In 1978, playoff berths were strictly the top 8 in the conference. The entire Patrick Division made the playoffs and only two teams (one of which was the 59 point 19-40-21 Rockies) from the Smythe did. The Campbell Conference was the Patrick and the Smythe then. Division champs got a first round bye and everyone else played what was called a "preliminary round" that was best of 3. In 1980 the preliminary round was expanded to best of 5 but you still had the weird seeding and playoff structure that allowed two teams in the same division (Flyers and Islanders) play in the Finals.

1982 was the first year for the format I remember well from childhood, the divisional based format. The four playoff teams from each division played two rounds to determine division champions, who then faced off to play for the conference championship. I still love this format. You played your division rivals in the first two rounds every year and that's what made those rivalries so vicious.
RE: RE: Don't feel bad 5bowls I remember those  
Greg from LI : 4/19/2024 11:54 am : link
In comment 16475151 Route 9 said:
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What is the Utah team going to be named?

Nordiques?


Supposedly they're thinking about going the Redskins route at first because they don't want to rush into naming the team and just be the "Utah Hockey Team"
incidentally...  
Greg from LI : 4/19/2024 12:25 pm : link
In the wait for the playoffs to finally start, I was watching old Ranger playoff games on YT and watched several from their 1979 run. I knew that they knocked off the heavily favored Islanders in the conference finals. I did not know, however, how badly they embarrassed the Flyers in the second round. Philly won the first game in overtime 3-2. After that? The Rangers won four straight by scores of 7-1, 5-1, 6-0, and 8-3, and there were only two empty net goals in those games (games 2 and 5).
RE: RE: RE: Don't feel bad 5bowls I remember those  
Mad Mike : 4/19/2024 2:01 pm : link
In comment 16475218 Greg from LI said:
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Supposedly they're thinking about going the Redskins route at first because they don't want to rush into naming the team and just be the "Utah Hockey Team"

SMH, when did picking a team name become so hard?
RE: .  
Anakim : 4/19/2024 2:27 pm : link
In comment 16475039 pjcas18 said:
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Stephen Whyno
@SWhyno
#AllCaps top prospect Ryan Leonard won’t be pulling a Tom Wilson/Chris Kreider/Cale Makar by making his NHL debut in the playoffs. The 2023 No. 8 pick is going back to BC for another season:


Sucks for them!
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