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Question for Sy (and all): is Devito a complete non-factor?

Jimmy Meatballs : 4/17/2024 9:12 am
Let me start with the caveat that I am not trying to propose that the Giants plan their future around Tommy Devito being the future QB of the franchise.

But does he factor into the equation at all? His name is rarely mentioned except for the final of three QB's that people say we cannot afford to go into the season with. Looking back through old reviews, Devito was massively unprepared when he was brought into action in Week 8. But he steadily progressed week after week and showed traits that project well. I remember you saying in a thread at one point (paraphrasing) that people should not ignore/dismiss the way he has been able to improve his processing and ability to throw. Your reviews from last year talk about improvement in some very fundamental areas of being a good NFL QB. He definitely fell off at the end. But are we writing him off?

We have heard time after time that you really don't know what you are getting with a QB until they get into the system and see the field. It is very difficult to predict who will come in and process like CJ Stroud versus Zach Wilson. Long story short, in your eyes did Devito show enough potential to be considered in the equation? Or is he completely expendable?
Jimmy Meatballs  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 9:14 am : link
IMO, he is NOT a non-factor. He's probably got a far better shot than some of the later round QBs in this draft.

His 15 minutes of fame may be up, but what he did last year can't be completely discounted. It's not like he can't throw the ball or handle the pressure.
As a PS  
section125 : 4/17/2024 9:14 am : link
member or 3rd QB he is ok. Beyond that, yes - a non-factor.
Who ?  
PEEJ : 4/17/2024 9:15 am : link
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I'll  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 9:15 am : link
tell you one thing... if we draft a guy like Odunze, DeVito would give him more of a chance on deep 50/50 throws than Jones. The one thing DeVito did is take his shots down the field (same with Taylor).
Not a non factor for 3rd / PS QB  
Larry from WV : 4/17/2024 9:18 am : link
But not a solution either. His limitations were put on tape last year.
of course he is a non-factor  
KDavies : 4/17/2024 9:18 am : link
he is an UDFA who was okay. This is simply the case of backup QB being the most popular guy on the team. Oh, and he's Italian.
So the general BBI consensus  
Jimmy Meatballs : 4/17/2024 9:23 am : link
is that his ceiling is as a 3rd QB/practice squad guy? I’d really like to hear if Sy agrees with that. Are we totally ruling out that he could potentially develop into a starter?

I also struggle with us still referencing he was a UDFA. I don’t see how that factors into the equation. It’s his NFL tape that matters.
Define factor  
JonC : 4/17/2024 9:24 am : link
You want to win championships? Yes, he's a non-factor.

You believe in him as a backup or 3rd stringer? He's a factor until he isn't.

Expectations.
think about it  
KDavies : 4/17/2024 9:25 am : link
Giants are married to Jones next year, like it or not. They signed Lock. If the Giants draft a QB high, where does that leave Devito if they don't put anyone on the injured list? Likely on the practice squad.

He showed enough to be a competent backup, but what are the Giants going to do? Pass on drafting a QB because of him? Not going to happen.
It depends on what happens in the draft  
UberAlias : 4/17/2024 9:25 am : link
If they draft a QB at any point, I'm not sure where Devito fits in. Jones, Lock, and a draft pick... Devito as a 4th? We're talking PS.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/17/2024 9:27 am : link
@ least he’s willing to throw the rock down the field.
RE: think about it  
Jimmy Meatballs : 4/17/2024 9:28 am : link
In comment 16471670 KDavies said:
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Giants are married to Jones next year, like it or not. They signed Lock. If the Giants draft a QB high, where does that leave Devito if they don't put anyone on the injured list? Likely on the practice squad.

He showed enough to be a competent backup, but what are the Giants going to do? Pass on drafting a QB because of him? Not going to happen.


I’m not saying that. But if they miss out on their top QB’s, do they pass on a lower tier QB I’m the draft because they have Devito. If so, I wonder where that line would be.
I think  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 9:30 am : link
we've swung too far in the other direction with DeVito.

His problems in college were not his arm talent or mobility. He was always viewed as a talented kid.

He was thrown to the wolves last year on a team with a ton of issues and he actually performed well given his inexperience and the circumstances.

The odds are he is a flash in the pan. But in no way should he be discounted. Weirder things have happened.
 
christian : 4/17/2024 9:33 am : link
If the Giants don't draft a quarterback, DeVito has a great chance of making the roster and will at least compete for the starting job to open the season.
RE: I think  
Jimmy Meatballs : 4/17/2024 9:35 am : link
In comment 16471693 Eric from BBI said:
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we've swung too far in the other direction with DeVito.

His problems in college were not his arm talent or mobility. He was always viewed as a talented kid.

He was thrown to the wolves last year on a team with a ton of issues and he actually performed well given his inexperience and the circumstances.

The odds are he is a flash in the pan. But in no way should he be discounted. Weirder things have happened.


This is 100% where I’m at in my uneducated opinion.
You  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 9:38 am : link
know my "shot in the dark" thread on Joe Milton?

DeVito has a way better shot of panning out.
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UberAlias : 4/17/2024 9:38 am : link
In comment 16471698 christian said:
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If the Giants don't draft a quarterback, DeVito has a great chance of making the roster and will at least compete for the starting job to open the season.


Obviously DJ is still here for this season. Lock had other opportunities and came here where they're paying him $5M guaranteed. You think they are going to give DeVito a chance to compete to start? Set aside if you think they should --you honestly believe they will?
DeVito was a nice story  
logman : 4/17/2024 9:40 am : link
That story is over
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Jimmy Meatballs : 4/17/2024 9:42 am : link
In comment 16471709 UberAlias said:
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In comment 16471698 christian said:


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If the Giants don't draft a quarterback, DeVito has a great chance of making the roster and will at least compete for the starting job to open the season.



Obviously DJ is still here for this season. Lock had other opportunities and came here where they're paying him $5M guaranteed. You think they are going to give DeVito a chance to compete to start? Set aside if you think they should --you honestly believe they will?



Who cares if he gives them the best chance to win or has the highest ceiling in their opinion?
RE: RE: …  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 9:43 am : link
In comment 16471709 UberAlias said:
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In comment 16471698 christian said:


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If the Giants don't draft a quarterback, DeVito has a great chance of making the roster and will at least compete for the starting job to open the season.



Obviously DJ is still here for this season. Lock had other opportunities and came here where they're paying him $5M guaranteed. You think they are going to give DeVito a chance to compete to start? Set aside if you think they should --you honestly believe they will?


As far as I understand, if Daniel Jones suffers another serious injury, the Giants are on the hook for another $23 million.

If this is accurate, there is a huge reason why Jones should not take another snap (or have his snaps minimized).

He's got one foot out the door already.
And is no one going to point out  
Jimmy Meatballs : 4/17/2024 9:50 am : link
that Jimmy Meatballs would be the most ridiculous dupe for Tommy Cutlets?! I’m disappointed in you BBI
I think BBI in general is over Tommy Cutlets  
JonC : 4/17/2024 9:53 am : link
It was kinda fun but it also fooked them for the draft.
He does have one foot out the door  
UberAlias : 4/17/2024 9:57 am : link
But the cost to move on from him THIS year is massive. We can dismiss everything they are telling us about his rehab and intentions. But everything in front of us indicates that Jones will be on the roster this year and that he will be very much in the mix, if not the favorite to start. Even Mara spoke about DJ competing with a rookie if they draft one high. Was that all smoke screen where they're really planning to shelf DJ and the owner was lying to the fans? I really don't think so.

DJ is here for this year in overwhelming probability. After that? That's a different story that is difficult to answer right now, including the team. By far the most likely situation for this season is that we already have two veteran QBs who they made sizable commitments to who are in the mix and a likely draft pick at some point in the draft, possibly in first few rounds. They have scouted the hell out of the QBs. But even if they don't draft one, I don't see Devito being given chance to start given the investments in the other two.

Devito's path is likely PS this year (maybe 3rd string if they end up not drafting a QB) and then if works out to compete for back up job next year.
I like Devito as a back up  
Biteymax22 : 4/17/2024 9:58 am : link
I'd like to keep him around in the role and hope if we draft someone he doesn't get lost in a numbers game.

When you talk about factors, I'll phrase it this simply, we don't have a single QB on the roster right now I feel good about being the starter. All 3 guys are decent back ups, Jones maybe more of a "bridge" guy.

Now, if we don't draft a QB and it truly is an open QB competition, Devito's chances of winning it are as good as Lock or Jones's.
RE: I think BBI in general is over Tommy Cutlets  
MojoEd : 4/17/2024 9:58 am : link
In comment 16471753 JonC said:
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It was kinda fun but it also fooked them for the draft.

It did hurt draft position but benefit I saw was that it showed that Daboll’s offense wasn’t defective. Gave Daboll some breathing room which I think he deserved.
RE: RE: I think BBI in general is over Tommy Cutlets  
KeoweeFan : 4/17/2024 10:11 am : link
In comment 16471767 MojoEd said:
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In comment 16471753 JonC said:


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It was kinda fun but it also fooked them for the draft.


It did hurt draft position but benefit I saw was that it showed that Daboll’s offense wasn’t defective. Gave Daboll some breathing room which I think he deserved.


Our record was what it was.
For instance Taylor's bonehead plays at the end of each half against the Bills IMPROVED our draft position.
Bad teams beat themselves  
JonC : 4/17/2024 10:14 am : link
I just would've rather let a bad team be rock bottom bad and get the higher picks.

Seeing the backups throw downfield, help the pass blocking, and move the offense did shed light on how bad Jones was playing. But ... here we are in no man's land at QB. Again.
I think BBI view that he is better than Jones is foolish  
George from PA : 4/17/2024 10:39 am : link
The OL actually blocked for an extra second....and he did.

Probably too limited to excel in the NFL.....and he certainly can stick around, but unlikely if they draft someone.
If the Giants don't draft a QB, I'll be rooting for DeVito to start  
Go Terps : 4/17/2024 10:40 am : link
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Devito > Jones isn't a BBI view  
JonC : 4/17/2024 10:43 am : link
but rather a small group, from what I've heard.

But, Jones' most recent performances on top of very mediocre NFL career on the whole means it doesn't really matter. It's time to start figuring out how to move on from him.
The Ball is in His Court  
varco : 4/17/2024 11:28 am : link
There is some NFL talent there. It's up to DeVito to put in the work to project himself into the conversation. If he shows up in top form and did his homework, I'm sure he'll have the opportunity to impress. I believe the Giants are a fair organization and would give him a shot. It may be a "long" shot, but it's up to him, if not on the Giants, then on the PS circuit of QB's around the league.
Not an NFL QB  
nochance : 4/17/2024 11:49 am : link
He came in when the team was at it's healthiest. He never even had 200 yds in a game and he was sacked by Washington 10 times after the team traded away it's 2 best pass rushers. It took a turnover diffrence 6-0 to just scrape by and win that one. He also showed a lack of class by trying to shake down a pizzeria
after throwing for 158 yards. The reason the Giants let go TT
and signed Lock was because both he and DJ are so injury prone
that they didn't want to have to use Devito as a starter
RE: I think  
Paulie Walnuts : 4/17/2024 3:04 pm : link
In comment 16471693 Eric from BBI said:
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we've swung too far in the other direction with DeVito.

His problems in college were not his arm talent or mobility. He was always viewed as a talented kid.

He was thrown to the wolves last year on a team with a ton of issues and he actually performed well given his inexperience and the circumstances.

The odds are he is a flash in the pan. But in no way should he be discounted. Weirder things have happened.
once again I see him as a 3rd string or PS QB but he did enough last year to warrant a closer look imagine him with blocking and a genuine deep threat? Worth looking
The Giants aren’t making any decisions based on DeVito  
Rudy5757 : 4/17/2024 3:28 pm : link
Right now he’s 3rd on the roster, maybe 2nd if Jones is out. If he was viewed as a factor by the Giants they would have stuck with him last season imo. They should have, especially since we let Taylor walk. What different did it make what Taylor did down the stretch? DeVito could have used the reps. To me that signals his development was a non factor.

I think his best NFL ceiling is high end backup and on the low end he could be out of the league in a year. Unless he gets reps or someone gets injured he may have already had his shot.

Fwiw I would have cut or traded Taylor last season and had DeVito as my backup. He showed well enough in the preseason. The way they handled him in the Jets game was an embarrassment. Why have a 3rd QB if you won’t allow him to play?
RE: The Giants aren’t making any decisions based on DeVito  
Mad Mike : 4/17/2024 3:34 pm : link
In comment 16472484 Rudy5757 said:
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I think his best NFL ceiling is high end backup and on the low end he could be out of the league in a year. Unless he gets reps or someone gets injured he may have already had his shot.

That's what it seems like to me. Good luck to him proving to be more than that.
Devito  
darren in pdx : 4/17/2024 3:39 pm : link
as the solid 3rd string is exactly what he is at the moment. Outperforming Jones last year was very much not a good look for Jones though.
I think he ends up on PS and someone grabs him.  
Blue21 : 4/17/2024 4:57 pm : link
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No one really knows how the building feels about Divito  
DavidinBMNY : 4/17/2024 7:53 pm : link
TD showed some good things in his game. He's good at climbing the pocket, and made some good throws especially in motion. 3 wins is kind of a big deal. The question is, how much since Divito got benched for Tyrod has he put into upping his craft? Arm strenght/taking sacks were concerns for sure. If he can improve in those areas, he could be more than a career 3rd string QB.
Is going to be mistaken for a franchise QB? No.  
Matt M. : 4/17/2024 8:05 pm : link
But, I'm with Eric on this. I think people have swung too far in the other direction. Put things in perspective. All the things everyone wants to give Jones a break for were evident when DeVito was playing, as an undrafted rookie and he played better.

In my opinion, he showed enough to not be a throw away or after thought. It may not be here, but I wouldn't be shocked if he caught on somewhere else with a legit shot as the primary backup. I am not advocating for protecting him on the roster. But, I also wouldn't expect him to last the season on the practice squad.
He is the #3  
Sy'56 : 4/18/2024 6:02 am : link
but they won't make any decisions based on him.
TD is the best QB currently on the roster  
The Jake : 4/18/2024 7:06 am : link
and assuming we don’t draft a QB this year, TD will start games for us in 2024, for better or worse.
could be a good backup  
bc4life : 4/18/2024 8:21 am : link
let's see how he grows
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