So Penix, or perhaps Nix, is in play now in a possible trade down? Hmm, let's see the packages involved first, but if true, I'm seriously digging Schoen's out-of-the-box mind at the helm. As an aside though, I think Aiyuk has one more year on his current deal... caveat emptor?
But great? He has never even made a pro bowl in five years in the league! And why would someone easily disgruntled playing on a Super Bowl team with a top tier offense want to come here? This sounds like a lot of the same arguments we heard several years ago about Kenny Golladay. "Just wait and see - he will make the leap and become a pro bowl player when he comes here!"
Like Golladay, the only motivating factor for Aiyuk coming here would be getting a guaranteed contract at top of market. And like Golladay, that motivation will be gone the day after he signs that contract. No thanks.
But great? He has never even made a pro bowl in five years in the league! And why would someone easily disgruntled playing on a Super Bowl team with a top tier offense want to come here? This sounds like a lot of the same arguments we heard several years ago about Kenny Golladay. "Just wait and see - he will make the leap and become a pro bowl player when he comes here!"
Like Golladay, the only motivating factor for Aiyuk coming here would be getting a guaranteed contract at top of market. And like Golladay, that motivation will be gone the day after he signs that contract. No thanks.
He has pro bowl numbers with the appropriate target share. It’s a weird criteria to have given his circumstance. As for pay, yeah he knows he’s not getting it from SF and what’s out, that’s pretty normal in today’s NFL. He’s also an ascending player, completely different from Golladay, not remotely comparable.
If he’s difficult to work with as JonC mentions, that changes things. But neither of us have a clue about that.
I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
It's not just the draft capital, it's the contract we'd have to give him. I'd rather have MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze on a rookie contract.
Constantly trading premium picks for expensive players is a bad way to build a team IMO. It shows a lack of confidence in scouting. I can understand doing it for Burns because we had a crying need for another DE, who will only make KT more effective, had an extra second round pick, and got him for a lot less than the two firsts and a second that the Rams apparently offered Carolina. I can also understand in some cases doing it for a QB. But the better decision in this case is to simply draft one of the "big three" WRs. At least one is guaranteed to be available at #6.
This trade would never be done if pick 6 wasn't being used for a QB. So, that's not really valid. I don't think anyone would argue we should trade for Aiyuk if pick 6 isn't used for a QB.
I wouldn't trade for Aiyuk even if we do use pick #6 for a QB, either at that slot or as part of a trade package to trade up. We already have Slayton, Robinson, and Hyatt, and can add a near "sure thing" WR at #6 for a fraction of what it would cost to pay Aiyuk.
I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
It's not just the draft capital, it's the contract we'd have to give him. I'd rather have MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze on a rookie contract.
Constantly trading premium picks for expensive players is a bad way to build a team IMO. It shows a lack of confidence in scouting. I can understand doing it for Burns because we had a crying need for another DE, who will only make KT more effective, had an extra second round pick, and got him for a lot less than the two firsts and a second that the Rams apparently offered Carolina. I can also understand in some cases doing it for a QB. But the better decision in this case is to simply draft one of the "big three" WRs. At least one is guaranteed to be available at #6.
This trade would never be done if pick 6 wasn't being used for a QB. So, that's not really valid. I don't think anyone would argue we should trade for Aiyuk if pick 6 isn't used for a QB.
I wouldn't trade for Aiyuk even if we do use pick #6 for a QB, either at that slot or as part of a trade package to trade up. We already have Slayton, Robinson, and Hyatt, and can add a near "sure thing" WR at #6 for a fraction of what it would cost to pay Aiyuk.
How can you add a QB at 6 and then draft a WR at 6 for a fraction of the cost. I mean if that is possible sign me up!
I'm not sure this locks in that the Giants are going QB
The Giants could easily think they are nailing down a No. 1 WR with their 2nd and pick OT to solidify the line, so that Jones has weapons and protection.
I know that's not what most want, but it is plausible.
I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
It's not just the draft capital, it's the contract we'd have to give him. I'd rather have MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze on a rookie contract.
Constantly trading premium picks for expensive players is a bad way to build a team IMO. It shows a lack of confidence in scouting. I can understand doing it for Burns because we had a crying need for another DE, who will only make KT more effective, had an extra second round pick, and got him for a lot less than the two firsts and a second that the Rams apparently offered Carolina. I can also understand in some cases doing it for a QB. But the better decision in this case is to simply draft one of the "big three" WRs. At least one is guaranteed to be available at #6.
This trade would never be done if pick 6 wasn't being used for a QB. So, that's not really valid. I don't think anyone would argue we should trade for Aiyuk if pick 6 isn't used for a QB.
I wouldn't trade for Aiyuk even if we do use pick #6 for a QB, either at that slot or as part of a trade package to trade up. We already have Slayton, Robinson, and Hyatt, and can add a near "sure thing" WR at #6 for a fraction of what it would cost to pay Aiyuk.
How can you add a QB at 6 and then draft a WR at 6 for a fraction of the cost. I mean if that is possible sign me up!
Yeah, sorry. That was not well stated. Obviously, I meant if we don't draft a QB at #6 then we can add one of the "big three" at a fraction of the cost of trading for Aiyuk.
Aiyuk, Nabers, Robinson, Hyatt and if Jones still couldn't get it done?
I know a lot of people are going to say this and blast him like always, but in fairness, he’s never had anything remotely close to that level of talent when he’s played. Over the hill Golden Tate, Golladay, Slayton who at the time almost got cut, Collin Johnson, Sills, Hodgins, Ritchie James etc. Basically practice squad players that aren’t in the league right now.
In 2022 Richie James led the Giants in receiving. Last year with Mahomes and a Chiefs team desperate for WR help James had 10 catches on the year.
Now before people blast me I’m not saying DJ would be good, but to be fair & honest he’s had nowhere near that quality of weapons before. He’s had the worst surrounding cast including OLine in the NFL since he’s been playing.
I know it sounds like I’m making excuses, all I’m saying is to be fair & honest he’s had nowhere near that kind of talent before.
Yeah, sorry. That was not well stated. Obviously, I meant if we don't draft a QB at #6 then we can add one of the "big three" at a fraction of the cost of trading for Aiyuk.
No sorry I was just teasing. I think Aiyuk is only on the board for us if we go QB at pick 6. I don't think we get Aiyuk if we don't get that QB.
I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
AJ Brown wasn't a top 5 WR when he was traded. Diggs wasn't really either. It was after their trades they turned into top star WRs. Lets look at the WRs being talked about here before and after their trades.
I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
AJ Brown wasn't a top 5 WR when he was traded. Diggs wasn't really either. It was after their trades they turned into top star WRs. Lets look at the WRs being talked about here before and after their trades.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
He's easily WR1 on the Giants.
I cede that point.
I just don't think it's wise to pay nearly $30M AAV for a WR who is very good, not great (as I see it).
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
He's easily WR1 on the Giants.
I cede that point.
I just don't think it's wise to pay nearly $30M AAV for a WR who is very good, not great (as I see it).
I would imagine 25aav like D. Smith got seems comprable.
BW - yards per game is one of the most reliable stats predictively
there is no way to fake yardage as a WR, especially with a good YPC. either you are making guys miss, running by people, or making great catches downfield.
Aiyuk is a bona-fide stud whose upside may be even higher on higher volume. Look at his catch rate and YPC. Factoring in age, there are only about 10 players on that list i'd rather have than him.
a lot like Burns i expect there would be a team willing to give up a first round pick for him even with a big contract, but if not sign me up for a 2nd.
So, hypothetically speaking You'd rather take your chances in the draft for Maye to get a security blanket receiver vs. Trading say pick 47 and a conditional 3rd in 2025 draft? I don't think anyone is suggesting he's a top 5 elite wr, otherwise the trade price would be like the Tyreek Hill trade. I wouldn't do this unless we had a definitive plan in place for a QB in this draft (likely Maye according to all the reports here). If you only consider wr1s to be the top5 wrs in the NFL, then sure he isn't a wr1. I think there is a much wider range than that though. Any WR that is the top option for an offense demanding the top cb and some doubles yet still produces well is a wr1 in my book. Im surprised you wouldn't want this for your boy Maye to have the best situation possible. Spend draft picks on our other holes and give Maye the most high percentages chance to thrive (which means Aiyuk>a mid 2nd rd receiver likely after the top 10-15 receivers are taken).
At the place where this team is currently, yes, I would prefer to take my chances with Maye and cheaper, younger options.
A move for a player like Aiyuk seems like a move for a team in win-now mode looking for a final piece.
Aiyuk will cost more $ than Smith - he is 1 year closer to UFA
Then I’m all for it. That seems very unlikely though. The move would make a QB seem likely at 6 but if 4 or 5 QBs happened to be gone, can you imagine pairing MHJ or Nabers with Aiyuk? The WR group would go from joke to elite overnight. But I’m sure plenty of teams are interested and someone will give SF a first rounder, if this is true.
If the Giants are planning on going qb at 6 or trading up, then I can
to pay him? I like him, but not that much. Not sure I really see him as a #1.
Could be another draft ploy to make it seem, as many of you have already speculated, that the Giants are going QB round 1.
He's already a #1. He's been the 49ers top receiver the last two years. He's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs with a 15.5 yards per catch average over the last two years. He's doing that on significantly less targets than Hill/Lamb/Jefferson/Brown etc
So, hypothetically speaking You'd rather take your chances in the draft for Maye to get a security blanket receiver vs. Trading say pick 47 and a conditional 3rd in 2025 draft? I don't think anyone is suggesting he's a top 5 elite wr, otherwise the trade price would be like the Tyreek Hill trade. I wouldn't do this unless we had a definitive plan in place for a QB in this draft (likely Maye according to all the reports here). If you only consider wr1s to be the top5 wrs in the NFL, then sure he isn't a wr1. I think there is a much wider range than that though. Any WR that is the top option for an offense demanding the top cb and some doubles yet still produces well is a wr1 in my book. Im surprised you wouldn't want this for your boy Maye to have the best situation possible. Spend draft picks on our other holes and give Maye the most high percentages chance to thrive (which means Aiyuk>a mid 2nd rd receiver likely after the top 10-15 receivers are taken).
At the place where this team is currently, yes, I would prefer to take my chances with Maye and cheaper, younger options.
A move for a player like Aiyuk seems like a move for a team in win-now mode looking for a final piece.
BW, you are forgetting Maras bi-polar mantra. “Compete for today, build for tomorrow”.
He’s been trying to do both at the same time for the past 10+ years, not realizing one half assessed attempt plus another half asses attempt does not yield a complete competitive team.
to pay him? I like him, but not that much. Not sure I really see him as a #1.
Could be another draft ploy to make it seem, as many of you have already speculated, that the Giants are going QB round 1.
He's already a #1. He's been the 49ers top receiver the last two years. He's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs with a 15.5 yards per catch average over the last two years. He's doing that on significantly less targets than Hill/Lamb/Jefferson/Brown etc
Thanks, Question remains, how will they pay for him?
It sure feels like a "finishing move" for a roster not nearly ready to win. Aiyuk's a risky target given what I'd heard in the past, a mercurial dude who's produced one NFL season at the level of compensation.
Or even Baltimore should be looking to trade their first round pick for him.
I am not sure how it fits cap wise but those teams need him and a late first round is worth the investment.
Totally agree. this seems like a finishing touch move.
To your point, a team like Baltimore can and should be more willing to outbid NYG (we know NYG aint giving up #6 for him so that leaves 2nds, 3rds, etc)
to pay him? I like him, but not that much. Not sure I really see him as a #1.
Could be another draft ploy to make it seem, as many of you have already speculated, that the Giants are going QB round 1.
He's already a #1. He's been the 49ers top receiver the last two years. He's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs with a 15.5 yards per catch average over the last two years. He's doing that on significantly less targets than Hill/Lamb/Jefferson/Brown etc
Thanks, Question remains, how will they pay for him?
very easily.
right now Waller is scheduled to make 10.5m in new cash this year, which could go up to 12m if he hits roster bonuses per game. next year he is on the books for $11.5m that could go up to $13m.
slayton is scheduled to make more than $5m in new cash this year, and he wants a raise over that. As a free agent next year he could easily get himself a 10m aav deal.
Include Slayton in the trade with a 2nd round pick, cut Waller, and you can afford Aiyuk's current $14m cap hit on his 5yo.
If you extend him you can lower that amount by a little this year as is commonly done since he will probably get at least $20m cash in a signing bonus. Calvin Ridley's cap hit this year is $10m. In future years they have plenty of cap space. Without Waller they would have about 45m free next year and more than $100m in 2026. And that's including Jones, cut him and those amounts go up by more than 25m each year.
If they take a rookie scale QB at 6, someone like Aiyuk makes a lot of sense if the cost of acquisition is cheap enough. The odds a pearsall/legette/whoever are as good as him are very low. being willing to pay him a big contract is a way the giants can add an elite WR (in prime) and a QB.
as much as all of us like the top 3 WRs in this draft, the odds they become 1300+ yard receivers in 1 year or amass 4k yards after 4 seasons are probably no better than 50/50. jamarr chase only hit 1300 yards once in 3 years. waddle did in once, d smith hasnt done it yet. garrett wilson hasnt done it yet.
Or even Baltimore should be looking to trade their first round pick for him.
I am not sure how it fits cap wise but those teams need him and a late first round is worth the investment.
Would be tough on cap for those teams, very tough.
No one is trading for Aiyuk and not extending him. The Chiefs make a ton of sense both practically and cap-wise.
I guess both Buffalo and KC can just extend their QBs to make it work. I would prefer Adonai Mitchell to that though. Big difference between Adonai and Worthy whom will be the 5th and 6th wrs off the board and the other wrs teams can get in the early 2nd.
Or even Baltimore should be looking to trade their first round pick for him.
I am not sure how it fits cap wise but those teams need him and a late first round is worth the investment.
Would be tough on cap for those teams, very tough.
No one is trading for Aiyuk and not extending him. The Chiefs make a ton of sense both practically and cap-wise.
I guess both Buffalo and KC can just extend their QBs to make it work. I would prefer Adonai Mitchell to that though. Big difference between Adonai and Worthy whom will be the 5th and 6th wrs off the board and the other wrs teams can get in the early 2nd.
I would say tier 1 is the top 3 tier 2 is btj tier 3 is adonai/Worthy then a big drop off to Franklin/mcconkey/Leggette/pearsall
It sure feels like a "finishing move" for a roster not nearly ready to win. Aiyuk's a risky target given what I'd heard in the past, a mercurial dude who's produced one NFL season at the level of compensation.
Much prefer grab a blue chipper at #6, if no QB.
But this seems like a move they would make only if they plan to go QB at 6.
They’re done. They want him off the books. They really don’t want to play him at all this season. The Drew Lock thing was true.” Rickey - ( New Window )
KC wouldn't extend another player, they'd extend Aiyuk and bring his 2024 cap hit way down.
KC is currently 20M below the 2024 cap, 40M below the 2025 cap, and 188M under the 2026 cap.
I would still prefer Worthy or Mitchell in rd1 if I were them. I just see a big drop off after them, and the next 4-9 guys will go before pick 47. That's why I would like the move for us. We will likely not have great options at 47 for WR. Worthy and Mitchell are great options, plus 5th year option. At 47 we will be looking at tier 5 or 6 of WRs. I'd rather have Sinnott or Melton or Orhorhoro or Benson at 47 than the tier 5 wrs.
Like Golladay, the only motivating factor for Aiyuk coming here would be getting a guaranteed contract at top of market. And like Golladay, that motivation will be gone the day after he signs that contract. No thanks.
Give me Odunze or Nabers on a rookie contract instead.
Like Golladay, the only motivating factor for Aiyuk coming here would be getting a guaranteed contract at top of market. And like Golladay, that motivation will be gone the day after he signs that contract. No thanks.
He has pro bowl numbers with the appropriate target share. It’s a weird criteria to have given his circumstance. As for pay, yeah he knows he’s not getting it from SF and what’s out, that’s pretty normal in today’s NFL. He’s also an ascending player, completely different from Golladay, not remotely comparable.
If he’s difficult to work with as JonC mentions, that changes things. But neither of us have a clue about that.
Give me Odunze or Nabers on a rookie contract instead.
I'll take that if we can get Penix at the end of rd1.
Thanks for sharing the info.
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I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
It's not just the draft capital, it's the contract we'd have to give him. I'd rather have MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze on a rookie contract.
Constantly trading premium picks for expensive players is a bad way to build a team IMO. It shows a lack of confidence in scouting. I can understand doing it for Burns because we had a crying need for another DE, who will only make KT more effective, had an extra second round pick, and got him for a lot less than the two firsts and a second that the Rams apparently offered Carolina. I can also understand in some cases doing it for a QB. But the better decision in this case is to simply draft one of the "big three" WRs. At least one is guaranteed to be available at #6.
This trade would never be done if pick 6 wasn't being used for a QB. So, that's not really valid. I don't think anyone would argue we should trade for Aiyuk if pick 6 isn't used for a QB.
I wouldn't trade for Aiyuk even if we do use pick #6 for a QB, either at that slot or as part of a trade package to trade up. We already have Slayton, Robinson, and Hyatt, and can add a near "sure thing" WR at #6 for a fraction of what it would cost to pay Aiyuk.
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I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
It's not just the draft capital, it's the contract we'd have to give him. I'd rather have MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze on a rookie contract.
Constantly trading premium picks for expensive players is a bad way to build a team IMO. It shows a lack of confidence in scouting. I can understand doing it for Burns because we had a crying need for another DE, who will only make KT more effective, had an extra second round pick, and got him for a lot less than the two firsts and a second that the Rams apparently offered Carolina. I can also understand in some cases doing it for a QB. But the better decision in this case is to simply draft one of the "big three" WRs. At least one is guaranteed to be available at #6.
This trade would never be done if pick 6 wasn't being used for a QB. So, that's not really valid. I don't think anyone would argue we should trade for Aiyuk if pick 6 isn't used for a QB.
I wouldn't trade for Aiyuk even if we do use pick #6 for a QB, either at that slot or as part of a trade package to trade up. We already have Slayton, Robinson, and Hyatt, and can add a near "sure thing" WR at #6 for a fraction of what it would cost to pay Aiyuk.
How can you add a QB at 6 and then draft a WR at 6 for a fraction of the cost. I mean if that is possible sign me up!
I know that's not what most want, but it is plausible.
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I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
It's not just the draft capital, it's the contract we'd have to give him. I'd rather have MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze on a rookie contract.
Constantly trading premium picks for expensive players is a bad way to build a team IMO. It shows a lack of confidence in scouting. I can understand doing it for Burns because we had a crying need for another DE, who will only make KT more effective, had an extra second round pick, and got him for a lot less than the two firsts and a second that the Rams apparently offered Carolina. I can also understand in some cases doing it for a QB. But the better decision in this case is to simply draft one of the "big three" WRs. At least one is guaranteed to be available at #6.
This trade would never be done if pick 6 wasn't being used for a QB. So, that's not really valid. I don't think anyone would argue we should trade for Aiyuk if pick 6 isn't used for a QB.
I wouldn't trade for Aiyuk even if we do use pick #6 for a QB, either at that slot or as part of a trade package to trade up. We already have Slayton, Robinson, and Hyatt, and can add a near "sure thing" WR at #6 for a fraction of what it would cost to pay Aiyuk.
How can you add a QB at 6 and then draft a WR at 6 for a fraction of the cost. I mean if that is possible sign me up!
Yeah, sorry. That was not well stated. Obviously, I meant if we don't draft a QB at #6 then we can add one of the "big three" at a fraction of the cost of trading for Aiyuk.
I know a lot of people are going to say this and blast him like always, but in fairness, he’s never had anything remotely close to that level of talent when he’s played. Over the hill Golden Tate, Golladay, Slayton who at the time almost got cut, Collin Johnson, Sills, Hodgins, Ritchie James etc. Basically practice squad players that aren’t in the league right now.
In 2022 Richie James led the Giants in receiving. Last year with Mahomes and a Chiefs team desperate for WR help James had 10 catches on the year.
Now before people blast me I’m not saying DJ would be good, but to be fair & honest he’s had nowhere near that quality of weapons before. He’s had the worst surrounding cast including OLine in the NFL since he’s been playing.
I know it sounds like I’m making excuses, all I’m saying is to be fair & honest he’s had nowhere near that kind of talent before.
*Ducks*
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In comment 16472491 AcidTest said:
Yeah, sorry. That was not well stated. Obviously, I meant if we don't draft a QB at #6 then we can add one of the "big three" at a fraction of the cost of trading for Aiyuk.
No sorry I was just teasing. I think Aiyuk is only on the board for us if we go QB at pick 6. I don't think we get Aiyuk if we don't get that QB.
What if you have Bowers clearly rated above the 3 WRs?
I don’t know, this scenario crossed my draft-crazed mind.
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In comment 16471944 superspynyg said:
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I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
AJ Brown wasn't a top 5 WR when he was traded. Diggs wasn't really either. It was after their trades they turned into top star WRs. Lets look at the WRs being talked about here before and after their trades.
AJ Brown 3 years in Tennessee...
52 catches 1051 yards 8 TDs
70 catches 1075 yards 11 TDs
63 catches 869 yards 5 TDs
AJ Brown in Philly
88 and 106 catches with 1496 and 1456 yards 11 and 7 TDs
People act like he was putting up numbers like he was in Philly but he wasn't.
Stefon Diggs in Minny...
52 catches 720 yards 4 TDs
84 catches 904 yards 3 TDs
64 catches 849 yards 8 TDs
101 catches 1029 yards 9 TDs
63 catches 1130 yards 6 TDs
First year in Buffalo...
127 catches 1535 yards 8 TDs
Never less than 100 catches in the 4 years with buffalo and never even close to being under 1000 yards.
Again much better after the trade
Brandon Aiyuk in SF...
60 catches 748 yards 5 TDs
56 catches 826 yards 5 TDs
78 catches 1015 yards 8 TDs
75 catches 1342 yards 7 TDs
Aiyuk's last year was better than both AJ Browns and Stefon Diggs best years before being traded.
So let's at least get history correct when we do this.
Imagine if he ripped it up, like Tua did after they got Waddle & Hill? Or Hurts did after they got Smith & Brown?
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In comment 16472411 AcidTest said:
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In comment 16471944 superspynyg said:
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I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
AJ Brown wasn't a top 5 WR when he was traded. Diggs wasn't really either. It was after their trades they turned into top star WRs. Lets look at the WRs being talked about here before and after their trades.
AJ Brown 3 years in Tennessee...
52 catches 1051 yards 8 TDs
70 catches 1075 yards 11 TDs
63 catches 869 yards 5 TDs
AJ Brown in Philly
88 and 106 catches with 1496 and 1456 yards 11 and 7 TDs
People act like he was putting up numbers like he was in Philly but he wasn't.
Stefon Diggs in Minny...
52 catches 720 yards 4 TDs
84 catches 904 yards 3 TDs
64 catches 849 yards 8 TDs
101 catches 1029 yards 9 TDs
63 catches 1130 yards 6 TDs
First year in Buffalo...
127 catches 1535 yards 8 TDs
Never less than 100 catches in the 4 years with buffalo and never even close to being under 1000 yards.
Again much better after the trade
Brandon Aiyuk in SF...
60 catches 748 yards 5 TDs
56 catches 826 yards 5 TDs
78 catches 1015 yards 8 TDs
75 catches 1342 yards 7 TDs
Aiyuk's last year was better than both AJ Browns and Stefon Diggs best years before being traded.
So let's at least get history correct when we do this.
That's a good point, they both had bad qb play but were bona-fide wr1 in my mind
The excuse would be there were too many good receivers demanding the ball.
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Aiyuk, Nabers, Robinson, Hyatt and if Jones still couldn't get it done?
The excuse would be there were too many good receivers demanding the ball.
We’ve screwed him up again - too many choices for Danny Boy to think about in huddle and reading those individual route and option trees!!
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Aiyuk, Nabers, Robinson, Hyatt and if Jones still couldn't get it done?
Imagine if he ripped it up, like Tua did after they got Waddle & Hill? Or Hurts did after they got Smith & Brown?
That would be awesome. He might have some trade value.
Bump!
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
He's easily WR1 on the Giants.
I cede that point.
I just don't think it's wise to pay nearly $30M AAV for a WR who is very good, not great (as I see it).
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I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
He's easily WR1 on the Giants.
I cede that point.
I just don't think it's wise to pay nearly $30M AAV for a WR who is very good, not great (as I see it).
I would imagine 25aav like D. Smith got seems comprable.
Aiyuk is a bona-fide stud whose upside may be even higher on higher volume. Look at his catch rate and YPC. Factoring in age, there are only about 10 players on that list i'd rather have than him.
a lot like Burns i expect there would be a team willing to give up a first round pick for him even with a big contract, but if not sign me up for a 2nd.
So, hypothetically speaking You'd rather take your chances in the draft for Maye to get a security blanket receiver vs. Trading say pick 47 and a conditional 3rd in 2025 draft? I don't think anyone is suggesting he's a top 5 elite wr, otherwise the trade price would be like the Tyreek Hill trade. I wouldn't do this unless we had a definitive plan in place for a QB in this draft (likely Maye according to all the reports here). If you only consider wr1s to be the top5 wrs in the NFL, then sure he isn't a wr1. I think there is a much wider range than that though. Any WR that is the top option for an offense demanding the top cb and some doubles yet still produces well is a wr1 in my book. Im surprised you wouldn't want this for your boy Maye to have the best situation possible. Spend draft picks on our other holes and give Maye the most high percentages chance to thrive (which means Aiyuk>a mid 2nd rd receiver likely after the top 10-15 receivers are taken).
At the place where this team is currently, yes, I would prefer to take my chances with Maye and cheaper, younger options.
A move for a player like Aiyuk seems like a move for a team in win-now mode looking for a final piece.
he may not get to $30m per year but he probably lands somewhere in between 25m-30m and gets more than the $51m guaranteed.
Not a position to be selling off our own picks for. Use them to find our own Aiyuk and a fraction of the cost.
Could be another draft ploy to make it seem, as many of you have already speculated, that the Giants are going QB round 1.
Could be another draft ploy to make it seem, as many of you have already speculated, that the Giants are going QB round 1.
He's already a #1. He's been the 49ers top receiver the last two years. He's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs with a 15.5 yards per catch average over the last two years. He's doing that on significantly less targets than Hill/Lamb/Jefferson/Brown etc
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In comment 16472403 bw in dc said:
So, hypothetically speaking You'd rather take your chances in the draft for Maye to get a security blanket receiver vs. Trading say pick 47 and a conditional 3rd in 2025 draft? I don't think anyone is suggesting he's a top 5 elite wr, otherwise the trade price would be like the Tyreek Hill trade. I wouldn't do this unless we had a definitive plan in place for a QB in this draft (likely Maye according to all the reports here). If you only consider wr1s to be the top5 wrs in the NFL, then sure he isn't a wr1. I think there is a much wider range than that though. Any WR that is the top option for an offense demanding the top cb and some doubles yet still produces well is a wr1 in my book. Im surprised you wouldn't want this for your boy Maye to have the best situation possible. Spend draft picks on our other holes and give Maye the most high percentages chance to thrive (which means Aiyuk>a mid 2nd rd receiver likely after the top 10-15 receivers are taken).
At the place where this team is currently, yes, I would prefer to take my chances with Maye and cheaper, younger options.
A move for a player like Aiyuk seems like a move for a team in win-now mode looking for a final piece.
BW, you are forgetting Maras bi-polar mantra. “Compete for today, build for tomorrow”.
He’s been trying to do both at the same time for the past 10+ years, not realizing one half assessed attempt plus another half asses attempt does not yield a complete competitive team.
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to pay him? I like him, but not that much. Not sure I really see him as a #1.
Could be another draft ploy to make it seem, as many of you have already speculated, that the Giants are going QB round 1.
He's already a #1. He's been the 49ers top receiver the last two years. He's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs with a 15.5 yards per catch average over the last two years. He's doing that on significantly less targets than Hill/Lamb/Jefferson/Brown etc
Thanks, Question remains, how will they pay for him?
Could be another draft ploy to make it seem, as many of you have already speculated, that the Giants are going QB round 1.
They pay him by giving him a new contract (which he wants) and constructing it to mitigate the cap hit this year.
Much prefer grab a blue chipper at #6, if no QB.
I am not sure how it fits cap wise but those teams need him and a late first round is worth the investment.
I am not sure how it fits cap wise but those teams need him and a late first round is worth the investment.
Totally agree. this seems like a finishing touch move.
To your point, a team like Baltimore can and should be more willing to outbid NYG (we know NYG aint giving up #6 for him so that leaves 2nds, 3rds, etc)
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In comment 16473137 section125 said:
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to pay him? I like him, but not that much. Not sure I really see him as a #1.
Could be another draft ploy to make it seem, as many of you have already speculated, that the Giants are going QB round 1.
He's already a #1. He's been the 49ers top receiver the last two years. He's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs with a 15.5 yards per catch average over the last two years. He's doing that on significantly less targets than Hill/Lamb/Jefferson/Brown etc
Thanks, Question remains, how will they pay for him?
very easily.
right now Waller is scheduled to make 10.5m in new cash this year, which could go up to 12m if he hits roster bonuses per game. next year he is on the books for $11.5m that could go up to $13m.
slayton is scheduled to make more than $5m in new cash this year, and he wants a raise over that. As a free agent next year he could easily get himself a 10m aav deal.
Include Slayton in the trade with a 2nd round pick, cut Waller, and you can afford Aiyuk's current $14m cap hit on his 5yo.
If you extend him you can lower that amount by a little this year as is commonly done since he will probably get at least $20m cash in a signing bonus. Calvin Ridley's cap hit this year is $10m. In future years they have plenty of cap space. Without Waller they would have about 45m free next year and more than $100m in 2026. And that's including Jones, cut him and those amounts go up by more than 25m each year.
If they take a rookie scale QB at 6, someone like Aiyuk makes a lot of sense if the cost of acquisition is cheap enough. The odds a pearsall/legette/whoever are as good as him are very low. being willing to pay him a big contract is a way the giants can add an elite WR (in prime) and a QB.
as much as all of us like the top 3 WRs in this draft, the odds they become 1300+ yard receivers in 1 year or amass 4k yards after 4 seasons are probably no better than 50/50. jamarr chase only hit 1300 yards once in 3 years. waddle did in once, d smith hasnt done it yet. garrett wilson hasnt done it yet.
I am not sure how it fits cap wise but those teams need him and a late first round is worth the investment.
Would be tough on cap for those teams, very tough.
I am not sure how it fits cap wise but those teams need him and a late first round is worth the investment.
Would be tough on cap for those teams, very tough.
No one is trading for Aiyuk and not extending him. The Chiefs make a ton of sense both practically and cap-wise.
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Or even Baltimore should be looking to trade their first round pick for him.
I am not sure how it fits cap wise but those teams need him and a late first round is worth the investment.
Would be tough on cap for those teams, very tough.
No one is trading for Aiyuk and not extending him. The Chiefs make a ton of sense both practically and cap-wise.
I guess both Buffalo and KC can just extend their QBs to make it work. I would prefer Adonai Mitchell to that though. Big difference between Adonai and Worthy whom will be the 5th and 6th wrs off the board and the other wrs teams can get in the early 2nd.
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Or even Baltimore should be looking to trade their first round pick for him.
I am not sure how it fits cap wise but those teams need him and a late first round is worth the investment.
Would be tough on cap for those teams, very tough.
No one is trading for Aiyuk and not extending him. The Chiefs make a ton of sense both practically and cap-wise.
I guess both Buffalo and KC can just extend their QBs to make it work. I would prefer Adonai Mitchell to that though. Big difference between Adonai and Worthy whom will be the 5th and 6th wrs off the board and the other wrs teams can get in the early 2nd.
I would say tier 1 is the top 3 tier 2 is btj tier 3 is adonai/Worthy then a big drop off to Franklin/mcconkey/Leggette/pearsall
Much prefer grab a blue chipper at #6, if no QB.
But this seems like a move they would make only if they plan to go QB at 6.
KC is currently 20M below the 2024 cap, 40M below the 2025 cap, and 188M under the 2026 cap.
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KC is currently 20M below the 2024 cap, 40M below the 2025 cap, and 188M under the 2026 cap.
I would still prefer Worthy or Mitchell in rd1 if I were them. I just see a big drop off after them, and the next 4-9 guys will go before pick 47. That's why I would like the move for us. We will likely not have great options at 47 for WR. Worthy and Mitchell are great options, plus 5th year option. At 47 we will be looking at tier 5 or 6 of WRs. I'd rather have Sinnott or Melton or Orhorhoro or Benson at 47 than the tier 5 wrs.