Rickey213 said he was not posting on Twitter, that it was someone else.
Pretty sure that was one of the Rickey copycat accounts (was Rickey212 or Rickey214) he was referring to when someone asked him if it was him that reported the Giants and NE having a deal in place for 3
but I think he's got a ceiling. He's good, not great. We need him so I would love a move to get him, but I think the cost should be relatively fair or in line with what he is, a good outside WR but not a great one.
Would be nice to get that guy in here assuming they are going big QB hunting or even edge/TE/Tackle hunting in round 1.
A 2025 1st is likely to be to be a top 5 pick
Trading this years second to get and pay Burns - ok?
Next year's 1st to pay Aiyuk? No, please no.
What if it’s not though? What if they got Maye and Aiyuk and had a season like the Texans?
Makes little sense giving up a first for Aiyuk under any circumstances. Giving how deep this WR class is and the quality of WR coming into the league these days, the Giants may be able to get an Aiyuk caliber player in the second or third round.
but I think he's got a ceiling. He's good, not great. We need him so I would love a move to get him, but I think the cost should be relatively fair or in line with what he is, a good outside WR but not a great one.
Would be nice to get that guy in here assuming they are going big QB hunting or even edge/TE/Tackle hunting in round 1.
A 2025 1st is likely to be to be a top 5 pick
Trading this years second to get and pay Burns - ok?
Next year's 1st to pay Aiyuk? No, please no.
What if it’s not though? What if they got Maye and Aiyuk and had a season like the Texans?
Makes little sense giving up a first for Aiyuk under any circumstances. Giving how deep this WR class is and the quality of WR coming into the league these days, the Giants may be able to get an Aiyuk caliber player in the second or third round.
They may end up using a first round pick on a WR who might end up being as good as Aiyuk. What’s the difference trading a first round pick for Aiyuk?
worth a first round pick? Is it potential or past performances? My opinion, at this time he is not worth a top 20 first round pick.
Aiyuk, MHJ, Nabers or Rome?
Now add in the salary.
Who would ever choose Aiyuk?
Well, if the Giants go QB at 6, none of those guys will be an option. And if the Giants have to give up #47 to move up for QB, none of the second tier WR prospects will be an option either
but I think he's got a ceiling. He's good, not great. We need him so I would love a move to get him, but I think the cost should be relatively fair or in line with what he is, a good outside WR but not a great one.
Would be nice to get that guy in here assuming they are going big QB hunting or even edge/TE/Tackle hunting in round 1.
What do you think makes him good but not great?
Comparing him to the very best, he's not Hill or Adams (at his peak) or AJ Brown. He's in that next tier which is fine, we need that, but he's not a super star super elite WR and never will be. Just watch him play and looking at his stats is pretty clear indicator of what he is. Again, we need him, i'd love to get him, but no one should be parting with a shit load of value to get him.
If you can get him for a couple mid round picks maybe even a 2025 2nd, fine by me. Then sign him long term.
I think a lot of people are severely underestimating
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
I don’t view him as a true #1 and not thrilled about the idea of paying him like one. Especially when they just traded a high second rounder for the privilege to sign Burns to a massive contract.
Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
That's the reason he is asking for the trade. His floor will be Devonta Smiths contract, 3/75 50+ Guaranteed. But Lamb and Jefferson contracts could reset the ceiling.
I would not trade anything form 24 for him and would avoid using a 1st from 25.
to give up in any deal. We better win some games next year if we do it. I’d hate to deliver San Fran a top 10 pick - they have enough talent.
Look at the Tyreek Hill trade. The 2025 1st would be in the trade for Maye. No chance it would be for Aiyuk.
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Strongly disagree. I don't see a world where Aiyuk is traded for a package that doesn't include a 1st round pick. Hill, AJ Brown, Davante Adams, original Diggs trade, and even Marquise Brown all had a 1st in the deal
They were all from playoff competing teams. Pick 47 and 2025 2nd would get it done I bet. 49ers know they can't pay him, before the draft is their chance.
In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
I don’t see him as a No. 1 guy. I hope the Giants are not wasting resources (draft picks and salary cap) on a guy that is a good but not great player that teams have to game plan around.
Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
I’d much prefer Penix and Aiyuk than Nabers/Odunze and maybe figuring out QB next year
In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
Exactly. Not the right way to build a team IMO. Burns deal I like because edge rushers are more hit and miss. WRs are coming in right away and making immediate contributions. 2nd round pick or so? I can get behind that, especially if they draft a rookie QB and have him on the rookie deal. But talk of this year's 1st or next years? Insanity.
and draft Nabers. That would very much help Daniel Jones. Pick up Benson at 70. Your skill positions are set for years. Cruz, Nicks and Manningham got us SB trophy, Nabers, Aiyuk, and Robinson/Hyatt would be ridiculous explosiveness.
The Bills were a better team. I dont like the process of continually trading away picks for players and having to pay a high salary.
I like Aiyuk, he's not 1st round pick material especially when our picks have mostly been top 10. Plus we also have limited cap money, Thomas is really the only player left to squeeze money unless they cut Waller who we traded for and signed to a high contract.
Aiyuk's trajectory is on the rise, but he's also surrounded by other top 10 talent at WR, TE and RB. I'm not sure he's the alpha that can take us to the next level and 2023 may have been his career year.
In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
I'd be excited to have him but I'm with bw on this. I think it will take 47 + a sweetener...not to mention the cap capital.
With the way colleges are churning out receivers, I'd rather go that route.
i love aiyuk but i have to think any deal would be mostly pick #47
because of the contract that would come along with him.
if they can get a QB at #6 and then trade for Aiyuk, I think that's a great draft outcome. Aiyuk is an excellent, excellent player.
#47 + next years 1 or 2 feels like an overpay to me with the contract he will need and given the market. I think the compensation for Diggs sets the price here since he too was coming along essentially without a contract.
I don’t see him as a No. 1 guy. I hope the Giants are not wasting resources (draft picks and salary cap) on a guy that is a good but not great player that teams have to game plan around.
The giants have a deal in place with NE if daniels goes 2...
The odds for daniels going 2 have gone up - maybe even word among front offices is its all but done so giants know they are moving up to 3 to maye and are now pivoting to get a WR...
but I think he's got a ceiling. He's good, not great. We need him so I would love a move to get him, but I think the cost should be relatively fair or in line with what he is, a good outside WR but not a great one.
Would be nice to get that guy in here assuming they are going big QB hunting or even edge/TE/Tackle hunting in round 1.
What do you think makes him good but not great?
Comparing him to the very best, he's not Hill or Adams (at his peak) or AJ Brown. He's in that next tier which is fine, we need that, but he's not a super star super elite WR and never will be. Just watch him play and looking at his stats is pretty clear indicator of what he is. Again, we need him, i'd love to get him, but no one should be parting with a shit load of value to get him.
If you can get him for a couple mid round picks maybe even a 2025 2nd, fine by me. Then sign him long term.
I'd probably compare him to a peak level Amani Toomer. Not the same player but at his peak Toomer flirted with pro bowl caliber (he should have made it in 2002)--I think Aiyuk can flirt with pro bowls too. He's a fine player he's just not HOF level good. I'd take him, gladly.
In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
Exactly. Not the right way to build a team IMO. Burns deal I like because edge rushers are more hit and miss. WRs are coming in right away and making immediate contributions. 2nd round pick or so? I can get behind that, especially if they draft a rookie QB and have him on the rookie deal. But talk of this year's 1st or next years? Insanity.
0 chance for 1st. I really think comp would be in the range of pick 47 and a 3rd that could become a 2nd in 2025. 6, 2025 1st and pick 70 for Maye or something like that.
I don’t see him as a No. 1 guy. I hope the Giants are not wasting resources (draft picks and salary cap) on a guy that is a good but not great player that teams have to game plan around.
He's the #1 for SF, not Debo.
San Francisco has two really good No.2 receivers. There’s only about 10-12 legit No. 1 receivers in the NFL.
you don't have to be a top 5 WR to be a solid or good #1 in this league. Toomer from 99-2003 was a legit #1 on a decent or even dangerous passing team.
If you want an elite #1, you need to go bigger but you can win with a solid #1 like Aiyuk.
Also, this move wouldn't preclude NYG from adding more WR talent to the team. How on earth someone can say this doesn't make sense I will never know. It doesn't make sense to ignore Aiyuk or ignore adding this kind of player.
*** That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
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He might have had more targets if SF didn’t have those stars, but did they also have a beneficial impact on his performance? Did CMC, Deebo and Kittle limit the double teams he faced and limited ability of D coordinators to scheme against him? While he seems better than the typical #2 WR, doesn’t he face the risk of failure other #2s faced when they changed teams and attempted a solo act? Not saying he can’t have as great or greater success on another team, but is it a sure thing?
RE: Aiyuk went to the super bowl with San Francisco
Money, as usual. This might as well just be deemed FA move, just like Burns. IT comes with a draft pick cost, but that's life when you want to add a young player ahead of FA. You want him? Get him. Even if we added Nabers or a WR at 6, we could still use another player. Slayton is a place holder or a #3. Robinson is a slot / gadget guy. Hyatt who the hell knows. The position needs a jolt or two.
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Rickey213 said he was not posting on Twitter, that it was someone else.
Pretty sure that was one of the Rickey copycat accounts (was Rickey212 or Rickey214) he was referring to when someone asked him if it was him that reported the Giants and NE having a deal in place for 3
Yep, I just meant the copycat accounts.
Would be nice to get that guy in here assuming they are going big QB hunting or even edge/TE/Tackle hunting in round 1.
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I'd trade 47 and 2025 1st round for him.
A 2025 1st is likely to be to be a top 5 pick
Trading this years second to get and pay Burns - ok?
Next year's 1st to pay Aiyuk? No, please no.
What if it’s not though? What if they got Maye and Aiyuk and had a season like the Texans?
Makes little sense giving up a first for Aiyuk under any circumstances. Giving how deep this WR class is and the quality of WR coming into the league these days, the Giants may be able to get an Aiyuk caliber player in the second or third round.
Glad you aren't the GM. That is nuts.
Would be nice to get that guy in here assuming they are going big QB hunting or even edge/TE/Tackle hunting in round 1.
What do you think makes him good but not great?
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I'd trade 47 and 2025 1st round for him.
A 2025 1st is likely to be to be a top 5 pick
Trading this years second to get and pay Burns - ok?
Next year's 1st to pay Aiyuk? No, please no.
What if it’s not though? What if they got Maye and Aiyuk and had a season like the Texans?
Makes little sense giving up a first for Aiyuk under any circumstances. Giving how deep this WR class is and the quality of WR coming into the league these days, the Giants may be able to get an Aiyuk caliber player in the second or third round.
They may end up using a first round pick on a WR who might end up being as good as Aiyuk. What’s the difference trading a first round pick for Aiyuk?
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worth a first round pick? Is it potential or past performances? My opinion, at this time he is not worth a top 20 first round pick.
Aiyuk, MHJ, Nabers or Rome?
Now add in the salary.
Who would ever choose Aiyuk?
Well, if the Giants go QB at 6, none of those guys will be an option. And if the Giants have to give up #47 to move up for QB, none of the second tier WR prospects will be an option either
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who broke the Burns trade here. So Eric is right, Rickey, you are on the cusp of Asshat Hall of Fame stuff here!
Same poster.
However, I was also told of the Burns trade by another BBI behind the scenes days earlier.
Eric is a legend. When everyone called me a troll in that thread, he backed me up and said he heard the same thing. Re2pect.
Glad to have you back dropping nuggs! Would be open to letting the Legend know what sort(s) of parameters are on the table?
Sy, where do you think Aiyuk ranks amongst the upper echelon top receivers in the NFL?
Love it!
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worth a first round pick? Is it potential or past performances? My opinion, at this time he is not worth a top 20 first round pick.
Aiyuk, MHJ, Nabers or Rome?
Now add in the salary.
Who would ever choose Aiyuk?
No one in their right mind is advocating to trade 6th overall for Aiuyk.
So, in four years he throws a fit here and we trade him for a lot less than we gave up for him?
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but I think he's got a ceiling. He's good, not great. We need him so I would love a move to get him, but I think the cost should be relatively fair or in line with what he is, a good outside WR but not a great one.
Would be nice to get that guy in here assuming they are going big QB hunting or even edge/TE/Tackle hunting in round 1.
What do you think makes him good but not great?
Comparing him to the very best, he's not Hill or Adams (at his peak) or AJ Brown. He's in that next tier which is fine, we need that, but he's not a super star super elite WR and never will be. Just watch him play and looking at his stats is pretty clear indicator of what he is. Again, we need him, i'd love to get him, but no one should be parting with a shit load of value to get him.
If you can get him for a couple mid round picks maybe even a 2025 2nd, fine by me. Then sign him long term.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Build through the draft as much as possible.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
I would not trade anything form 24 for him and would avoid using a 1st from 25.
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to give up in any deal. We better win some games next year if we do it. I’d hate to deliver San Fran a top 10 pick - they have enough talent.
Look at the Tyreek Hill trade. The 2025 1st would be in the trade for Maye. No chance it would be for Aiyuk.
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Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks —
Strongly disagree. I don't see a world where Aiyuk is traded for a package that doesn't include a 1st round pick. Hill, AJ Brown, Davante Adams, original Diggs trade, and even Marquise Brown all had a 1st in the deal
They were all from playoff competing teams. Pick 47 and 2025 2nd would get it done I bet. 49ers know they can't pay him, before the draft is their chance.
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adding an established #1 WR for a young QB...
Sy, where do you think Aiyuk ranks amongst the upper echelon top receivers in the NFL?
Estimate in the 15-20 range
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
Made this trade on his YouTube show.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
I’d much prefer Penix and Aiyuk than Nabers/Odunze and maybe figuring out QB next year
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
Exactly. Not the right way to build a team IMO. Burns deal I like because edge rushers are more hit and miss. WRs are coming in right away and making immediate contributions. 2nd round pick or so? I can get behind that, especially if they draft a rookie QB and have him on the rookie deal. But talk of this year's 1st or next years? Insanity.
The Bills were a better team. I dont like the process of continually trading away picks for players and having to pay a high salary.
I like Aiyuk, he's not 1st round pick material especially when our picks have mostly been top 10. Plus we also have limited cap money, Thomas is really the only player left to squeeze money unless they cut Waller who we traded for and signed to a high contract.
Aiyuk's trajectory is on the rise, but he's also surrounded by other top 10 talent at WR, TE and RB. I'm not sure he's the alpha that can take us to the next level and 2023 may have been his career year.
Lets do it!
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
I'd be excited to have him but I'm with bw on this. I think it will take 47 + a sweetener...not to mention the cap capital.
With the way colleges are churning out receivers, I'd rather go that route.
if they can get a QB at #6 and then trade for Aiyuk, I think that's a great draft outcome. Aiyuk is an excellent, excellent player.
#47 + next years 1 or 2 feels like an overpay to me with the contract he will need and given the market. I think the compensation for Diggs sets the price here since he too was coming along essentially without a contract.
He's the #1 for SF, not Debo.
The odds for daniels going 2 have gone up - maybe even word among front offices is its all but done so giants know they are moving up to 3 to maye and are now pivoting to get a WR...
tell me that story doesnt make a ton of sense...
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but I think he's got a ceiling. He's good, not great. We need him so I would love a move to get him, but I think the cost should be relatively fair or in line with what he is, a good outside WR but not a great one.
Would be nice to get that guy in here assuming they are going big QB hunting or even edge/TE/Tackle hunting in round 1.
What do you think makes him good but not great?
Comparing him to the very best, he's not Hill or Adams (at his peak) or AJ Brown. He's in that next tier which is fine, we need that, but he's not a super star super elite WR and never will be. Just watch him play and looking at his stats is pretty clear indicator of what he is. Again, we need him, i'd love to get him, but no one should be parting with a shit load of value to get him.
If you can get him for a couple mid round picks maybe even a 2025 2nd, fine by me. Then sign him long term.
I'd probably compare him to a peak level Amani Toomer. Not the same player but at his peak Toomer flirted with pro bowl caliber (he should have made it in 2002)--I think Aiyuk can flirt with pro bowls too. He's a fine player he's just not HOF level good. I'd take him, gladly.
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who broke the Burns trade here. So Eric is right, Rickey, you are on the cusp of Asshat Hall of Fame stuff here!
Same poster.
However, I was also told of the Burns trade by another BBI behind the scenes days earlier.
any noise on this outside of Rickey?
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In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
Exactly. Not the right way to build a team IMO. Burns deal I like because edge rushers are more hit and miss. WRs are coming in right away and making immediate contributions. 2nd round pick or so? I can get behind that, especially if they draft a rookie QB and have him on the rookie deal. But talk of this year's 1st or next years? Insanity.
0 chance for 1st. I really think comp would be in the range of pick 47 and a 3rd that could become a 2nd in 2025. 6, 2025 1st and pick 70 for Maye or something like that.
I really like Aiyuk but college receivers are entering the league much more prepared now than they used to be.
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I don’t see him as a No. 1 guy. I hope the Giants are not wasting resources (draft picks and salary cap) on a guy that is a good but not great player that teams have to game plan around.
He's the #1 for SF, not Debo.
San Francisco has two really good No.2 receivers. There’s only about 10-12 legit No. 1 receivers in the NFL.
If you want an elite #1, you need to go bigger but you can win with a solid #1 like Aiyuk.
Also, this move wouldn't preclude NYG from adding more WR talent to the team. How on earth someone can say this doesn't make sense I will never know. It doesn't make sense to ignore Aiyuk or ignore adding this kind of player.
He wants to get paid and San Francisco is already paying Deebo.
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He might have had more targets if SF didn’t have those stars, but did they also have a beneficial impact on his performance? Did CMC, Deebo and Kittle limit the double teams he faced and limited ability of D coordinators to scheme against him? While he seems better than the typical #2 WR, doesn’t he face the risk of failure other #2s faced when they changed teams and attempted a solo act? Not saying he can’t have as great or greater success on another team, but is it a sure thing?
Money, as usual. This might as well just be deemed FA move, just like Burns. IT comes with a draft pick cost, but that's life when you want to add a young player ahead of FA. You want him? Get him. Even if we added Nabers or a WR at 6, we could still use another player. Slayton is a place holder or a #3. Robinson is a slot / gadget guy. Hyatt who the hell knows. The position needs a jolt or two.