Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
suddenly that's yet another position with more answers than questions. You'd be looking at DE, QB and safety and corner as positions you'd like to upgrade and questions at RT and Center but both are filled with young talent. And safety and Corner aren't exactly barren. Could be worse.
Rickey213 said he was not posting on Twitter, that it was someone else.
Pretty sure that was one of the Rickey copycat accounts (was Rickey212 or Rickey214) he was referring to when someone asked him if it was him that reported the Giants and NE having a deal in place for 3
Yep, I just meant the copycat accounts.
Were you (the original twitter account) kicked off twitter? I loved the conspiracies...
Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
I would put zero stock in anything Allbright says that isn't Denver-related. His final mock a day before the draft last year had just about every single pick wrong which included Levis going #4 overall Link - ( New Window )
A 2025 1st is likely to be to be a top 5 pick
Trading this years second to get and pay Burns - ok?
Next year's 1st to pay Aiyuk? No, please no.
What if it’s not though? What if they got Maye and Aiyuk and had a season like the Texans?
Makes little sense giving up a first for Aiyuk under any circumstances. Giving how deep this WR class is and the quality of WR coming into the league these days, the Giants may be able to get an Aiyuk caliber player in the second or third round.
Agreed. Unless this is a future 2nder we can do better cap wise. A premium this year and the extension for him, we just did that with Burns (which took us out of a true power position to trade up for a QB if need be). I like Jones but another QB option is needed and should be added if that requires a trade up the 47th pick is going to be moved. Aiyuk will require the 47th. A 3rd and a future 2nder is the only other viable option on the "cheap". That takes away even more ability to be flexible @ 6, unless Browser is the dark horse pick at 6 and Waller has retired officially in-house only.
The Burns trade really took away a lot of draft flexibility but it was a good move. Moving the other 2nd just seems unwise, maybe it would look better on draft day.
Thoughts to share about Aiyuk for those wondering how talented he is..
He was SF's #1 selection, 25th overall from Arizona State in 2020. Currently 26 years old, and he clocks in about 6'0, 200 lbs.
He is coming off of multiple 1,000-yard seasons, and his 1,342 yards last year were 7th highest in the league. Keep in mind that total was on just 75 receptions (and 105 targets). Most wideouts with similar numbers (Mike Evans, DJ Moore, AJ Brown) had significantly more looks.
Aiyuk finished with 61 receptions for first downs, and absolutely punished cornerbacks and safeties with in-cuts down the seam. He finished second in the league with 28 receptions of 20 yards, only behind Tyreek Hill and CeeDee Lamb, who had one more each.
He has only missed one game the last three seasons, and makes good decisions downfield about not absorbing unnecessary contact.
For those saying "Well, his numbers are inflated due to the weapons that San Francisco had". Somewhat true, but keep in mind that Aiyuk outperformed Samuel last year, and most defenses treated him as their WR1.
Justin Pugh currently outlined a deal that had the Giants giving SF our 6th selection, in exchange for their 31st overall pick, and a 3rd round pick this year. I'd do that deal in a HEARTBEAT. The team would still have the capital to move back up should they wish (with a remaining first and round round selection), or be patient to go with Bo Nix as a high 2nd round swap.
Either way, if Big Blue were able to pry away Aiyuk, I think fans would be very, very happy with the player. I've long been a fan of his skillset.
Give up 6 and 70 for Aiyuk. But he wanted to stay with DJ.
Not sure it makes sense to trade for Aiyuk if we trade our #1. Players get traded for much less these days. If we get him for our 3rd that would be great, other than that trading away more picks and paying the high salary is not a good long term plan
That would be absolute GM malpractice to give up 6 for Aiyuk. That could be one of the worst trades of all time.
+1
Can't be
NFW.
RE: RE: I think a lot of people are severely underestimating
*** That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
***
He might have had more targets if SF didn’t have those stars, but did they also have a beneficial impact on his performance? Did CMC, Deebo and Kittle limit the double teams he faced and limited ability of D coordinators to scheme against him? While he seems better than the typical #2 WR, doesn’t he face the risk of failure other #2s faced when they changed teams and attempted a solo act? Not saying he can’t have as great or greater success on another team, but is it a sure thing?
He had 31 receptions for 390 yards in the 4 games Debo missed last year...
Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
I would put zero stock in anything Allbright says that isn't Denver-related. His final mock a day before the draft last year had just about every single pick wrong which included Levis going #4 overall Link - ( New Window )
It's not just him. Betting sites have his over/under set at 32.5. If he had a chance of going top 10 they wouldn't just be handing out free money like that.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Anthony Richardson went #4 last year
Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
I would put zero stock in anything Allbright says that isn't Denver-related. His final mock a day before the draft last year had just about every single pick wrong which included Levis going #4 overall Link - ( New Window )
It's not just him. Betting sites have his over/under set at 32.5. If he had a chance of going top 10 they wouldn't just be handing out free money like that.
Ian Rapoport is on record saying that he thinks it's very likely Penix is not only a first round pick, but is picked in the top half of the round. Unlike most of these reporters, he doesn't say things like that unless he's pretty confident in it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Anthony Richardson went #4 last year
Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
I would put zero stock in anything Allbright says that isn't Denver-related. His final mock a day before the draft last year had just about every single pick wrong which included Levis going #4 overall Link - ( New Window )
It's not just him. Betting sites have his over/under set at 32.5. If he had a chance of going top 10 they wouldn't just be handing out free money like that.
Allbright is a clown with zero sources and zero credibility. He was fuming mad at me when I was tweeting scoops. Guy is unhinged.
Pugh mentioned how the Giants should rework a bunch of contracts and trade for Aiyuk.
Ironically I mentioned if we passed on drafting a WR and went QB in round 1 that I could see the Giants looking into Aiyuk.
This appears to be the same account he posted about the Burns trade before anyone else had it. Eric can confirm
Yes, what I mean is, Is Justin Pugh Rickey? He might be connected with an agent or 2?
I immediately was dismissive of this but knowing Pugh has lurked on BBI, that hes trying to start a youtube channel, and that he's a talker...it does make me wonder...
Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
I would put zero stock in anything Allbright says that isn't Denver-related. His final mock a day before the draft last year had just about every single pick wrong which included Levis going #4 overall Link - ( New Window )
It's not just him. Betting sites have his over/under set at 32.5. If he had a chance of going top 10 they wouldn't just be handing out free money like that.
Ian Rapoport is on record saying that he thinks it's very likely Penix is not only a first round pick, but is picked in the top half of the round. Unlike most of these reporters, he doesn't say things like that unless he's pretty confident in it.
That's not what Rapoport said. He said Penix is likely to go in the 1st round and could go in the top half. That's a lot different than saying he's very likely to go in the top half of the round.
It definitely could happen. It only takes 1 team. IMO him in the top 15 would be an absolutely terrible pick. Taking him at 6 is just as bad if not worse than Daniel Jones at 6 and I was on the Washington hype train before just about anybody. He just has so many red flags as an NFL prospect.
In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
I wouldn't expect to see anything happen until next Thurs night.
Remember, Schoen had multiple contingent trade possibilities lined up last year, so there's no reason to suspect he wouldn't be doing the same again.
This may not be Plan A or B, but just another option to have at the ready so he doesn't get caught with his dick in his hand like some other GMs of the past.
So do we! Jon, gotta lol at this and wonder if they're as fractured internally as BBI, according to which any of the QBs' potential elite NFL genes
is 1/unknowable, 2/ will be available @ 6 or via trade, or 3/ (via Terps) is a dead certainty to roll with.
Hope all good.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Anthony Richardson went #4 last year
That's not what Rapoport said. He said Penix is likely to go in the 1st round and could go in the top half. That's a lot different than saying he's very likely to go in the top half of the round.
It definitely could happen. It only takes 1 team. IMO him in the top 15 would be an absolutely terrible pick. Taking him at 6 is just as bad if not worse than Daniel Jones at 6 and I was on the Washington hype train before just about anybody. He just has so many red flags as an NFL prospect.
Nope. He said "likely in the first half of the first round" Link - ( New Window )
In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
Although I agree with you, my guess is the Giants are all but certain they’ll be getting their QB in round 1 and believe Aiyuk is a better option than any of the WRs that may be available in round two.
In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
+1
I don't agree with this take on Aiyuk, he's the equivalent WR to what Burns is as a DE, and he's on an upward trajectory with a playstyle that avoids injury and ages well. If we are trading out 2025 1st to get Maye, then I want us to do everything we possibly can to have that 2025 1st not be too high and have Maye with the best possible situation possible. If this trade could be done for pick 47 and 2025 3rd more or less, and we secure one of the top QBs. Then it's a no Brainer. There's going to be a run on WRs and we will likely have slim pickings at 47. Follow the Buffalo model, trade up for Maye get him a legit receiver with lots of receptions as a security blanket along with solid defense. That's a great way to build. If you're trading massive draft capital for Maye, you need to give him the absolute best situation possible. We've seen how important proper coaching and roster assembly is for a talented young QB.
Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
I’d much prefer Penix and Aiyuk than Nabers/Odunze and maybe figuring out QB next year
BUT, if Schoen knows that after he puts together a package for his QB (with NE), he will not have the capital to get a legit top notch receiver.
If he can get this guy for mid rd picks (preferably next year) to pair with a drafted QB, then it makes sense.
If this is NOT the case, he shouldn't consider this guy. It blows a lot of cap space, where he can draft a more talented guy who will be on a rookie deal.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Anthony Richardson went #4 last year
That's not what Rapoport said. He said Penix is likely to go in the 1st round and could go in the top half. That's a lot different than saying he's very likely to go in the top half of the round.
It definitely could happen. It only takes 1 team. IMO him in the top 15 would be an absolutely terrible pick. Taking him at 6 is just as bad if not worse than Daniel Jones at 6 and I was on the Washington hype train before just about anybody. He just has so many red flags as an NFL prospect.
Nope. He said "likely in the first half of the first round" Link - ( New Window )
He actually said both. He said likely in the 1st half and then likely in the 1st half.
Like I said it's a definite possibility. Crazy shit happens in the draft all the time.
In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
Although I agree with you, my guess is the Giants are all but certain they’ll be getting their QB in round 1 and believe Aiyuk is a better option than any of the WRs that may be available in round two.
Yeah, and like I said there is going to be a run on receivers with up to 15 going before our pick 47. There might be a reason they haven't brought in any of those prospects for a top 30 visit.
Also, what better way to utilize a rookie qb contract than with a DE and WR being paid with the benefit of a rookie qb contract. 4-5 years for all of them, it doesn't cripple our cap if DJ is gone.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
Pugh mentioned how the Giants should rework a bunch of contracts and trade for Aiyuk.
Ironically I mentioned if we passed on drafting a WR and went QB in round 1 that I could see the Giants looking into Aiyuk.
This appears to be the same account he posted about the Burns trade before anyone else had it. Eric can confirm
Yes, what I mean is, Is Justin Pugh Rickey? He might be connected with an agent or 2?
I immediately was dismissive of this but knowing Pugh has lurked on BBI, that hes trying to start a youtube channel, and that he's a talker...it does make me wonder...
Hard to imagine Pugh doing anything under cover of darkness.
BUT, if Schoen knows that after he puts together a package for his QB (with NE), he will not have the capital to get a legit top notch receiver.
If he can get this guy for mid rd picks (preferably next year) to pair with a drafted QB, then it makes sense.
If this is NOT the case, he shouldn't consider this guy. It blows a lot of cap space, where he can draft a more talented guy who will be on a rookie deal.
To those that think we would trade for Aiyuk without getting a rookie QB, you're nuts. We can't gamble with massive contracts for Burns and Aiyuk without knowing we will have a rookie QB contract to pair with Burns and Aiyuk, 0 chance.
Imagine trading pick 6, 39, 47, 2025 1st, 2nd and 3rd for Drake Maye, Burns and a legit #1 WR in his prime and only getting better. Sign me up for that!
RE: RE: RE: This doesn't seem like a bright idea...
In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
+1
I don't agree with this take on Aiyuk, he's the equivalent WR to what Burns is as a DE, and he's on an upward trajectory with a playstyle that avoids injury and ages well. If we are trading out 2025 1st to get Maye, then I want us to do everything we possibly can to have that 2025 1st not be too high and have Maye with the best possible situation possible. If this trade could be done for pick 47 and 2025 3rd more or less, and we secure one of the top QBs. Then it's a no Brainer. There's going to be a run on WRs and we will likely have slim pickings at 47. Follow the Buffalo model, trade up for Maye get him a legit receiver with lots of receptions as a security blanket along with solid defense. That's a great way to build. If you're trading massive draft capital for Maye, you need to give him the absolute best situation possible. We've seen how important proper coaching and roster assembly is for a talented young QB.
Fortune favors the bold. Lets be bold for a change.
RE: RE: I think a lot of people are severely underestimating
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
He had 31 receptions for 390 yards in the 4 games Debo missed last year...he has been SF's #1 wr for the past 2 years. Debo is an elite gadget guy.
So do we! Jon, gotta lol at this and wonder if they're as fractured internally as BBI, according to which any of the QBs' potential elite NFL genes
is 1/unknowable, 2/ will be available @ 6 or via trade, or 3/ (via Terps) is a dead certainty to roll with.
Hope all good.
CHP, all is good, chaotic and mega busy and my son is almost 5 already! Good to hear from you. Think QB hinges on Maye being there at #3 with Daniels gone at #2. Don't think they go QB at #6 otherwise, but would think they'll try to trade up from #47 with picks from next year.
RE: RE: I think a lot of people are severely underestimating
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
is that in a draft full of top WR prospects, the same year return for a Veteran WR would be less. Meaning, the 49ers may have to take more future return than 2024 return.
So a 3-5th rd pick this year and a conditional next year could be on the table..
Rather than responding to any particular poster here, I will just post to say that I have no problem with the Giants doing their due diligence to see what trading for someone like Aiyuk would take. I think there is enough WR talent in this draft that we can find someone cheaper who has WR1 upside. That being said, with how top heavy certain positions are this year I could see why the Giants would prefer to use their picks at those areas. For example, if the Giants could trade for Aiyuk they might have more flexibility to trade out of 6 if a QB they like is not there and still get someone like Fuaga, Quinyon Mitchell, etc.
and gets a "little" luck, he can advance this rebuild pretty quickly! We've seen this with other organizations, about time it happens to NYG. Aiyuk, when paired with Hyatt and Robinson, would give NY a formidable WR room, and Slayton would be a good #4. I'm not in favor of paying big dollars for a WR now, BUT if this is Schoen's best play to upgrade the WR room AFTER getting his new QB, then I understand it.
is that in a draft full of top WR prospects, the same year return for a Veteran WR would be less. Meaning, the 49ers may have to take more future return than 2024 return.
So a 3-5th rd pick this year and a conditional next year could be on the table..
While I think 70 would be a starting point, I believe 47 and conditional next year would end up doing it. At 47 we might not have options for WR1 upside guys. I see Franklin, Leggette, Mitchell, Pearsall and others going end of rd1 and early rd2. The pickings are likely to be slim for wr at 47 if you closely observe the wr needy teams ahead of us (Jacksonville, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Washington, Buffalo, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Arizona, Baltimore, SF, KC, NE, LAC. I see a high likelihood of around 15 WRs taken before our pick 47.
RE: RE: RE: I think a lot of people are severely underestimating
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
I'd prefer the rookie and cap space over the vet and high salary. This is a very good WR class. The wise move helps the team and the cap.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
I'd prefer the rookie and cap space over the vet and high salary. This is a very good WR class. The wise move helps the team and the cap.
See my comment above, we will very likely not have wr1 potential guys at 47.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
Mara’s same statement about doing everything they can to ruin DJ applies today - nothing’s changed.
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Rickey213 said he was not posting on Twitter, that it was someone else.
Pretty sure that was one of the Rickey copycat accounts (was Rickey212 or Rickey214) he was referring to when someone asked him if it was him that reported the Giants and NE having a deal in place for 3
Yep, I just meant the copycat accounts.
Were you (the original twitter account) kicked off twitter? I loved the conspiracies...
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Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
I would put zero stock in anything Allbright says that isn't Denver-related. His final mock a day before the draft last year had just about every single pick wrong which included Levis going #4 overall
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In no order
Tyreek Hill
Justin Jefferson
Jamarr Chase
Davante Adams
Ceedee Lamb
AJ Brown
Mike Evans
Puka Nacua
Then you have really good receivers that aren’t in that top group
Amon’Ra St. Brown
DJ Moore
Amari Cooper
Cooper Kupp (Injuries have slowed him down)
DK Metcalf
Brandon Aiyuk
Deebo Samuel
Dovante Smith
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I'd trade 47 and 2025 1st round for him.
A 2025 1st is likely to be to be a top 5 pick
Trading this years second to get and pay Burns - ok?
Next year's 1st to pay Aiyuk? No, please no.
What if it’s not though? What if they got Maye and Aiyuk and had a season like the Texans?
Makes little sense giving up a first for Aiyuk under any circumstances. Giving how deep this WR class is and the quality of WR coming into the league these days, the Giants may be able to get an Aiyuk caliber player in the second or third round.
Agreed. Unless this is a future 2nder we can do better cap wise. A premium this year and the extension for him, we just did that with Burns (which took us out of a true power position to trade up for a QB if need be). I like Jones but another QB option is needed and should be added if that requires a trade up the 47th pick is going to be moved. Aiyuk will require the 47th. A 3rd and a future 2nder is the only other viable option on the "cheap". That takes away even more ability to be flexible @ 6, unless Browser is the dark horse pick at 6 and Waller has retired officially in-house only.
The Burns trade really took away a lot of draft flexibility but it was a good move. Moving the other 2nd just seems unwise, maybe it would look better on draft day.
He is coming off of multiple 1,000-yard seasons, and his 1,342 yards last year were 7th highest in the league. Keep in mind that total was on just 75 receptions (and 105 targets). Most wideouts with similar numbers (Mike Evans, DJ Moore, AJ Brown) had significantly more looks.
Aiyuk finished with 61 receptions for first downs, and absolutely punished cornerbacks and safeties with in-cuts down the seam. He finished second in the league with 28 receptions of 20 yards, only behind Tyreek Hill and CeeDee Lamb, who had one more each.
He has only missed one game the last three seasons, and makes good decisions downfield about not absorbing unnecessary contact.
For those saying "Well, his numbers are inflated due to the weapons that San Francisco had". Somewhat true, but keep in mind that Aiyuk outperformed Samuel last year, and most defenses treated him as their WR1.
Justin Pugh currently outlined a deal that had the Giants giving SF our 6th selection, in exchange for their 31st overall pick, and a 3rd round pick this year. I'd do that deal in a HEARTBEAT. The team would still have the capital to move back up should they wish (with a remaining first and round round selection), or be patient to go with Bo Nix as a high 2nd round swap.
Either way, if Big Blue were able to pry away Aiyuk, I think fans would be very, very happy with the player. I've long been a fan of his skillset.
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Give up 6 and 70 for Aiyuk. But he wanted to stay with DJ.
Not sure it makes sense to trade for Aiyuk if we trade our #1. Players get traded for much less these days. If we get him for our 3rd that would be great, other than that trading away more picks and paying the high salary is not a good long term plan
That would be absolute GM malpractice to give up 6 for Aiyuk. That could be one of the worst trades of all time.
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Can't be
NFW.
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*** That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
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He might have had more targets if SF didn’t have those stars, but did they also have a beneficial impact on his performance? Did CMC, Deebo and Kittle limit the double teams he faced and limited ability of D coordinators to scheme against him? While he seems better than the typical #2 WR, doesn’t he face the risk of failure other #2s faced when they changed teams and attempted a solo act? Not saying he can’t have as great or greater success on another team, but is it a sure thing?
He had 31 receptions for 390 yards in the 4 games Debo missed last year...
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Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
I would put zero stock in anything Allbright says that isn't Denver-related. His final mock a day before the draft last year had just about every single pick wrong which included Levis going #4 overall Link - ( New Window )
It's not just him. Betting sites have his over/under set at 32.5. If he had a chance of going top 10 they wouldn't just be handing out free money like that.
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Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
I would put zero stock in anything Allbright says that isn't Denver-related. His final mock a day before the draft last year had just about every single pick wrong which included Levis going #4 overall Link - ( New Window )
It's not just him. Betting sites have his over/under set at 32.5. If he had a chance of going top 10 they wouldn't just be handing out free money like that.
Ian Rapoport is on record saying that he thinks it's very likely Penix is not only a first round pick, but is picked in the top half of the round. Unlike most of these reporters, he doesn't say things like that unless he's pretty confident in it.
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Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
I would put zero stock in anything Allbright says that isn't Denver-related. His final mock a day before the draft last year had just about every single pick wrong which included Levis going #4 overall Link - ( New Window )
It's not just him. Betting sites have his over/under set at 32.5. If he had a chance of going top 10 they wouldn't just be handing out free money like that.
Allbright is a clown with zero sources and zero credibility. He was fuming mad at me when I was tweeting scoops. Guy is unhinged.
Lower picks yes, a 1st - NFW.
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Pugh mentioned how the Giants should rework a bunch of contracts and trade for Aiyuk.
Ironically I mentioned if we passed on drafting a WR and went QB in round 1 that I could see the Giants looking into Aiyuk.
This appears to be the same account he posted about the Burns trade before anyone else had it. Eric can confirm
Yes, what I mean is, Is Justin Pugh Rickey? He might be connected with an agent or 2?
I immediately was dismissive of this but knowing Pugh has lurked on BBI, that hes trying to start a youtube channel, and that he's a talker...it does make me wonder...
No more talk about Schoen getting fired next season..
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Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
Anthony Richardson and Penix is a terrible comparison IMO. I would say there is less than a 0.01% chance that Penix goes in the top 6. Maybe like a 10% chance he goes in the top 15.
Ben Allbright has said recently there's no chance that Penix goes in the top 15.
I would put zero stock in anything Allbright says that isn't Denver-related. His final mock a day before the draft last year had just about every single pick wrong which included Levis going #4 overall Link - ( New Window )
It's not just him. Betting sites have his over/under set at 32.5. If he had a chance of going top 10 they wouldn't just be handing out free money like that.
Ian Rapoport is on record saying that he thinks it's very likely Penix is not only a first round pick, but is picked in the top half of the round. Unlike most of these reporters, he doesn't say things like that unless he's pretty confident in it.
That's not what Rapoport said. He said Penix is likely to go in the 1st round and could go in the top half. That's a lot different than saying he's very likely to go in the top half of the round.
It definitely could happen. It only takes 1 team. IMO him in the top 15 would be an absolutely terrible pick. Taking him at 6 is just as bad if not worse than Daniel Jones at 6 and I was on the Washington hype train before just about anybody. He just has so many red flags as an NFL prospect.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
+1
Remember, Schoen had multiple contingent trade possibilities lined up last year, so there's no reason to suspect he wouldn't be doing the same again.
This may not be Plan A or B, but just another option to have at the ready so he doesn't get caught with his dick in his hand like some other GMs of the past.
is 1/unknowable, 2/ will be available @ 6 or via trade, or 3/ (via Terps) is a dead certainty to roll with.
Hope all good.
That's not what Rapoport said. He said Penix is likely to go in the 1st round and could go in the top half. That's a lot different than saying he's very likely to go in the top half of the round.
It definitely could happen. It only takes 1 team. IMO him in the top 15 would be an absolutely terrible pick. Taking him at 6 is just as bad if not worse than Daniel Jones at 6 and I was on the Washington hype train before just about anybody. He just has so many red flags as an NFL prospect.
Nope. He said "likely in the first half of the first round"
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Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
Although I agree with you, my guess is the Giants are all but certain they’ll be getting their QB in round 1 and believe Aiyuk is a better option than any of the WRs that may be available in round two.
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In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
+1
I don't agree with this take on Aiyuk, he's the equivalent WR to what Burns is as a DE, and he's on an upward trajectory with a playstyle that avoids injury and ages well. If we are trading out 2025 1st to get Maye, then I want us to do everything we possibly can to have that 2025 1st not be too high and have Maye with the best possible situation possible. If this trade could be done for pick 47 and 2025 3rd more or less, and we secure one of the top QBs. Then it's a no Brainer. There's going to be a run on WRs and we will likely have slim pickings at 47. Follow the Buffalo model, trade up for Maye get him a legit receiver with lots of receptions as a security blanket along with solid defense. That's a great way to build. If you're trading massive draft capital for Maye, you need to give him the absolute best situation possible. We've seen how important proper coaching and roster assembly is for a talented young QB.
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Penix being the pick at #6 is a possibility, even if others discount it b/c ‘that’s too high for him’.
If the Giants have similar grades on JJM and Penix, then they can almost certainly get one of them at #6, and definitely at #5 in a trade with the Chargers.
I’d much prefer Penix and Aiyuk than Nabers/Odunze and maybe figuring out QB next year
Me too.
If he can get this guy for mid rd picks (preferably next year) to pair with a drafted QB, then it makes sense.
If this is NOT the case, he shouldn't consider this guy. It blows a lot of cap space, where he can draft a more talented guy who will be on a rookie deal.
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That's not what Rapoport said. He said Penix is likely to go in the 1st round and could go in the top half. That's a lot different than saying he's very likely to go in the top half of the round.
It definitely could happen. It only takes 1 team. IMO him in the top 15 would be an absolutely terrible pick. Taking him at 6 is just as bad if not worse than Daniel Jones at 6 and I was on the Washington hype train before just about anybody. He just has so many red flags as an NFL prospect.
Nope. He said "likely in the first half of the first round" Link - ( New Window )
He actually said both. He said likely in the 1st half and then likely in the 1st half.
Like I said it's a definite possibility. Crazy shit happens in the draft all the time.
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In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
Although I agree with you, my guess is the Giants are all but certain they’ll be getting their QB in round 1 and believe Aiyuk is a better option than any of the WRs that may be available in round two.
Yeah, and like I said there is going to be a run on receivers with up to 15 going before our pick 47. There might be a reason they haven't brought in any of those prospects for a top 30 visit.
Also, what better way to utilize a rookie qb contract than with a DE and WR being paid with the benefit of a rookie qb contract. 4-5 years for all of them, it doesn't cripple our cap if DJ is gone.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
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Pugh mentioned how the Giants should rework a bunch of contracts and trade for Aiyuk.
Ironically I mentioned if we passed on drafting a WR and went QB in round 1 that I could see the Giants looking into Aiyuk.
This appears to be the same account he posted about the Burns trade before anyone else had it. Eric can confirm
Yes, what I mean is, Is Justin Pugh Rickey? He might be connected with an agent or 2?
I immediately was dismissive of this but knowing Pugh has lurked on BBI, that hes trying to start a youtube channel, and that he's a talker...it does make me wonder...
Hard to imagine Pugh doing anything under cover of darkness.
If he can get this guy for mid rd picks (preferably next year) to pair with a drafted QB, then it makes sense.
If this is NOT the case, he shouldn't consider this guy. It blows a lot of cap space, where he can draft a more talented guy who will be on a rookie deal.
To those that think we would trade for Aiyuk without getting a rookie QB, you're nuts. We can't gamble with massive contracts for Burns and Aiyuk without knowing we will have a rookie QB contract to pair with Burns and Aiyuk, 0 chance.
Imagine trading pick 6, 39, 47, 2025 1st, 2nd and 3rd for Drake Maye, Burns and a legit #1 WR in his prime and only getting better. Sign me up for that!
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In a WR rich draft, Schoen pivots, trades for, and signs a good - not great - WR that eats up a significant part of the cap because Aiyuk will demand elite $s.
Why not add another young WR to the current stable of young, talented WRs we have and grow the team organically?
I really hope this "talking" leads to nothing material.
+1
I don't agree with this take on Aiyuk, he's the equivalent WR to what Burns is as a DE, and he's on an upward trajectory with a playstyle that avoids injury and ages well. If we are trading out 2025 1st to get Maye, then I want us to do everything we possibly can to have that 2025 1st not be too high and have Maye with the best possible situation possible. If this trade could be done for pick 47 and 2025 3rd more or less, and we secure one of the top QBs. Then it's a no Brainer. There's going to be a run on WRs and we will likely have slim pickings at 47. Follow the Buffalo model, trade up for Maye get him a legit receiver with lots of receptions as a security blanket along with solid defense. That's a great way to build. If you're trading massive draft capital for Maye, you need to give him the absolute best situation possible. We've seen how important proper coaching and roster assembly is for a talented young QB.
Fortune favors the bold. Lets be bold for a change.
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Brandon Aiyuk here.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
He had 31 receptions for 390 yards in the 4 games Debo missed last year...he has been SF's #1 wr for the past 2 years. Debo is an elite gadget guy.
This is exactly what Pugh said in his podcast yesterday
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I hope they know what they're doing wrt QB 4-6.
So do we! Jon, gotta lol at this and wonder if they're as fractured internally as BBI, according to which any of the QBs' potential elite NFL genes
is 1/unknowable, 2/ will be available @ 6 or via trade, or 3/ (via Terps) is a dead certainty to roll with.
Hope all good.
CHP, all is good, chaotic and mega busy and my son is almost 5 already! Good to hear from you. Think QB hinges on Maye being there at #3 with Daniels gone at #2. Don't think they go QB at #6 otherwise, but would think they'll try to trade up from #47 with picks from next year.
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Brandon Aiyuk here.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
So a 3-5th rd pick this year and a conditional next year could be on the table..
Id prefer to draft a WR.
Id prefer to draft a WR.
0.00% chance
I know the notion tends to favor towards the WR draft pick because of the cost control, but Aiyuk is an absolute stud.
So a 3-5th rd pick this year and a conditional next year could be on the table..
While I think 70 would be a starting point, I believe 47 and conditional next year would end up doing it. At 47 we might not have options for WR1 upside guys. I see Franklin, Leggette, Mitchell, Pearsall and others going end of rd1 and early rd2. The pickings are likely to be slim for wr at 47 if you closely observe the wr needy teams ahead of us (Jacksonville, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Washington, Buffalo, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Arizona, Baltimore, SF, KC, NE, LAC. I see a high likelihood of around 15 WRs taken before our pick 47.
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Brandon Aiyuk here.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
I'd prefer the rookie and cap space over the vet and high salary. This is a very good WR class. The wise move helps the team and the cap.
1. The cap wouldn't work without rookie qb
2. If no rd1 qb then we could get an elite wr prospect
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Brandon Aiyuk here.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
I'd prefer the rookie and cap space over the vet and high salary. This is a very good WR class. The wise move helps the team and the cap.
See my comment above, we will very likely not have wr1 potential guys at 47.