His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
I'd prefer the rookie and cap space over the vet and high salary. This is a very good WR class. The wise move helps the team and the cap.
At 47 we would likely be looking at wrs rated 75 and below on Sy's grading for instance. 47 would be cb or dl or rb after a lot of wrs go before pick 47.
I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
Just look at how he's thrived in games without Debo. 31 receptions for 390 yards in the 4 games without Debo last year. That's 124 receptions for 1560 yards over a 16 game season.
and a conditional 2/3 next year based on performance targets does not get this done considering the contract we would need to give him.
I agree. It would be similar to the Burns trade. 49ers can't sign him long term. They need to trade him before the draft if they want to get maximum value and a pick this year to move forward.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I think a lot of people are severely underestimating
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
I'd prefer the rookie and cap space over the vet and high salary. This is a very good WR class. The wise move helps the team and the cap.
This is when we should be loading up on good young players that can continue to improve. We are about to have DJ off the books and have a QB on a rookie contract.
I'd much rather have a proven #1 WR that's expensive than taking a guy like Legette/Pearsall just because they are cheap.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think a lot of people are severely underestimating
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
I'd prefer the rookie and cap space over the vet and high salary. This is a very good WR class. The wise move helps the team and the cap.
This is when we should be loading up on good young players that can continue to improve. We are about to have DJ off the books and have a QB on a rookie contract.
I'd much rather have a proven #1 WR that's expensive than taking a guy like Legette/Pearsall just because they are cheap.
Plus those guys are very unlikely to last until pick 47. Pick 47 bpa will very likelh not align with WR.
QB in the 1st if this is the case. This actually worries me a bit. This team has so many holes and you may potentially have to give up assets for not only Aiyuk but to move up for a QB as well.
and Higgins were two I would have been very happy for the Giants to land. Dunno how it'll work out, but imagining a scenario where they draft Nabers, trade for Aiyuk and get one of Penix or Nix would completely revamp the offense. There's so many possibilities in this draft I just want it to happen already.
QB in the 1st if this is the case. This actually worries me a bit. This team has so many holes and you may potentially have to give up assets for not only Aiyuk but to move up for a QB as well.
Yeah we have a lot of holes but if the QB hits and Aiyuk makes our WR core legit plus a solid defense then we are going to be competing for the playoffs. Plenty of time to fill those holes from now until 2029.
as long as it doesn’t involve next years 1st. I agree that 47 and a future pick that maybe escalates based on playing time can get it done. Not really worried about Schoen giving the farm, doesn’t seem likely.
Except it’ll be at the same time you’re paying whatever rookie you take this year or next.
Trading for Aiyuk you’re getting a better player now, who will be off the books when you pay your rookie QB and then you can replace him with a rookie WR.
It’s the perfect time to add a big money proven wide receiver who is still in his prime.
At 47 aren’t as great as people want to believe. At 6 it’s probably even a 50-50 chance Nabers or Odunze are as good or better than Aiyuk
I think most people would agree...but then you have the money factor.
That's where the rookie qb contract is such a jackpot in the NFL. We would have 4 years of paying the QB 5-6.5 million per year. Thus we could have Burns, Aiyuk and Maye for the price of about DJ+Waller.
third, I would do it assuming it means the Giants know they will get a top QB at 6 (or via trade up). I would hate the deal if it doesn't come with us drafting one of the top QB prospects.
Have to wonder if the depth of this WR draft plus the fact that he wants $25M/yr sinks his trade value a bit.
If they can get him for #47, I’m on board.
Though I will say they should at least wait until draft day…trading for Aiyuk would make QB a near certainty at 6…but don’t want to telegraph it as Minnesota, Denver are lurking…
CHP, all is good, chaotic and mega busy and my son is almost 5 already! Good to hear from you. Think QB hinges on Maye being there at #3 with Daniels gone at #2. Don't think they go QB at #6 otherwise, but would think they'll try to trade up from #47 with picks from next year.
Glad to hear...heart is in Pine Bush and Montgomery.
Almost 5!! Time to start grooming him for Jints and Rangers' Blue?? Already underway!!
How they gonna pry Maye from the Pats?
Was Mara with Kraft in the strip club?
I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
Just because he isn't top 5, doesn't mean he isn't a WR1.
I hear what you are saying about the college pipeline for WRs, but you still have the very real bust potential for anyone coming out of the draft. With a rookie QB (hopefully) coming in, I much prefer to overpay to eliminate that risk at WR. With a veteran QB I would not make this move. To me this is a move you make for a rookie.
Give the rookie every chance to succeed with a proven talent than have two rookies try to figure it out together.
I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
PFFs 2nd rated receiver:
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2. BRANDON AIYUK, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS: 91.5
The 49ers' top wide receiver in 2023, Aiyuk was one of only three wideouts to average more than 3.00 yards per route run in the regular season, with his 3.01 mark ranking third at the position. He finished the year with just two drops from 86 catchable targets.
Missed 1 game in the past 3 years? Chase, Jefferson, Hill, Brown, and then who else is in tier 1 WR1? Aiyuk is definitively in the tier after the elite upper echelon wr1s and he is a wr1, not somewhere in between wr1 and wr2. There's no comparison between Aiyuk and say Tee Higgins (even if Higgins could stay healthy).
I hear what you are saying about the college pipeline for WRs, but you still have the very real bust potential for anyone coming out of the draft. With a rookie QB (hopefully) coming in, I much prefer to overpay to eliminate that risk at WR. With a veteran QB I would not make this move. To me this is a move you make for a rookie.
Give the rookie every chance to succeed with a proven talent than have two rookies try to figure it out together.
Exactly, I know you love Maye bw. You don't want to get him a security blanket wr1 whom pairs perfectly with Wandale. Hyatt and Slayton? Then I guess you don't want to give Maye the best chance to succeed?
I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
I am mostly of this mind too, but I think the x-factor is how much a vet alpha in the WR room can help a rookie along. Schoen saw it in Buffalo with Diggs launching Allen's development to new levels. I wonder if they want that influence from the get-go and not two rooks figuring things out.
I'm not sure I can. Aiyuk is probably in the 8-12 range with a bunch of other WRs who are very similar in skill. Skill that, again, I don't find very special.
Like I said to UConn, I won't begrudge anyone feeling that Aiyuk is a WR1. I get the proven asset POV.
I just don't like the acquisition costs when I trust the annual supply coming in from college.
but Aiyuk is awesome. He definitely fits the mold of WR that Daboll loves. If we do get him, he'll quickly become a fan favorite. I don't think the average fan knows how good he is.
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Name 15 wrs better.
I'm not sure I can. Aiyuk is probably in the 8-12 range with a bunch of other WRs who are very similar in skill. Skill that, again, I don't find very special.
Like I said to UConn, I won't begrudge anyone feeling that Aiyuk is a WR1. I get the proven asset POV.
I just don't like the acquisition costs when I trust the annual supply coming in from college. [/quote
So, hypothetically speaking You'd rather take your chances in the draft for Maye to get a security blanket receiver vs. Trading say pick 47 and a conditional 3rd in 2025 draft? I don't think anyone is suggesting he's a top 5 elite wr, otherwise the trade price would be like the Tyreek Hill trade. I wouldn't do this unless we had a definitive plan in place for a QB in this draft (likely Maye according to all the reports here). If you only consider wr1s to be the top5 wrs in the NFL, then sure he isn't a wr1. I think there is a much wider range than that though. Any WR that is the top option for an offense demanding the top cb and some doubles yet still produces well is a wr1 in my book. Im surprised you wouldn't want this for your boy Maye to have the best situation possible. Spend draft picks on our other holes and give Maye the most high percentages chance to thrive (which means Aiyuk>a mid 2nd rd receiver likely after the top 10-15 receivers are taken).
I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
It's not just the draft capital, it's the contract we'd have to give him. I'd rather have MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze on a rookie contract.
Constantly trading premium picks for expensive players is a bad way to build a team IMO. It shows a lack of confidence in scouting. I can understand doing it for Burns because we had a crying need for another DE, who will only make KT more effective, had an extra second round pick, and got him for a lot less than the two firsts and a second that the Rams apparently offered Carolina. I can also understand in some cases doing it for a QB. But the better decision in this case is to simply draft one of the "big three" WRs. At least one is guaranteed to be available at #6.
I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
Diggs was traded to the Bills for pick 22, 5th 6th and future 4th. He was then a top 5 wr too
I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
It's not just the draft capital, it's the contract we'd have to give him. I'd rather have MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze on a rookie contract.
Constantly trading premium picks for expensive players is a bad way to build a team IMO. It shows a lack of confidence in scouting. I can understand doing it for Burns because we had a crying need for another DE, who will only make KT more effective, had an extra second round pick, and got him for a lot less than the two firsts and a second that the Rams apparently offered Carolina. I can also understand in some cases doing it for a QB. But the better decision in this case is to simply draft one of the "big three" WRs. At least one is guaranteed to be available at #6.
This trade would never be done if pick 6 wasn't being used for a QB. So, that's not really valid. I don't think anyone would argue we should trade for Aiyuk if pick 6 isn't used for a QB.
Rickey just said Giants talking to Niners unless I’m reading it wrong
Not that a trade is happening. He said he expects to be traded, not sure to who and other teams interested. Joe Schoen is doing his due diligence like most GMs say. You always check in. Talking is one thing, in serious negotiations is another.
I would only think this would remotely happen if the Giants use the 47th pick (plus others) to trade up from 6 to get a QB and want to make sure to give him a good vet WR to help him right away.. So this trade would happen post draft.
That being said, I think this would be a terrible move.
1) He says he wants to build through the draft. He already traded a 2 & 5 for Burns. Most likely it also means he traded up for a QB using more picks. Now he’s going to trade more, most likely next years picks too to get him?
2) Aiyuk isn’t a #1 WR. Is he good? Yes. But he’s not a top WR. So you’re going to trade picks plus pay him top dollar? Hell no. There’s so many good WR is this draft and pretty much every draft, it’s not worth it to use picks and pay him. He’s not a premier player. Hes a guy that you can easily replace in the draft. No need to trade for a guy like him.
So Penix, or perhaps Nix, is in play now in a possible trade down? Hmm, let's see the packages involved first, but if true, I'm seriously digging Schoen's out-of-the-box mind at the helm. As an aside though, I think Aiyuk has one more year on his current deal... caveat emptor?
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Brandon Aiyuk here.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
I'd prefer the rookie and cap space over the vet and high salary. This is a very good WR class. The wise move helps the team and the cap.
At 47 we would likely be looking at wrs rated 75 and below on Sy's grading for instance. 47 would be cb or dl or rb after a lot of wrs go before pick 47.
Just look at how he's thrived in games without Debo. 31 receptions for 390 yards in the 4 games without Debo last year. That's 124 receptions for 1560 yards over a 16 game season.
I agree. It would be similar to the Burns trade. 49ers can't sign him long term. They need to trade him before the draft if they want to get maximum value and a pick this year to move forward.
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Brandon Aiyuk here.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
I'd prefer the rookie and cap space over the vet and high salary. This is a very good WR class. The wise move helps the team and the cap.
This is when we should be loading up on good young players that can continue to improve. We are about to have DJ off the books and have a QB on a rookie contract.
I'd much rather have a proven #1 WR that's expensive than taking a guy like Legette/Pearsall just because they are cheap.
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Brandon Aiyuk here.
His first two years he was under 1000 yards, but he was catching balls from CJ Beathard, Trey Lance, Nick Mullens and some Jimmy G.
Since SF has put a decent QB on the field two years ago he's averaging 1200 yards and 7.5 TDs a season. That's with CMC, Deebo & Kittle taking touches away from him.
He's got good numbers on a lot less targets than the other top WRs in the NFL. Here are the number of targets for the top WRs in the NFL over the last two years. What would his numbers look like with those extra 100 targets? He's also missing out on a ton of RZ targets due to CMC.
Tyreek - 341 (Missed 1 game)
Lamb - 337
Jefferson - 284 (Missed 7 games in 2023)
St. Brown - 310 (Missed 2 games)
AJ Brown - 303
Aiyuk - 219
I can't imagine we'd be giving up a 1st rounder for him though.
Fair points, but he’s also had CMC, Deebo and Kittle taking defensive attention away from him too. How will he handle being the top dog and a focus of opposing D’s?
I like Aiyuk, but I hate giving up a high pick for him, given that he will need to be paid. As others have noted, he’s had maturity issues in the past, how will he handle a big payday?
I’d rather use a high pick to move up to grab a WR and a QB in the draft.
I'm under the assumption we'd only be trading for Aiyuk if we got a QB in the 1st round. So then you ask yourself would you rather have Aiyuk or a 2nd round WR. The answer to that should be pretty easy.
I'd prefer the rookie and cap space over the vet and high salary. This is a very good WR class. The wise move helps the team and the cap.
This is when we should be loading up on good young players that can continue to improve. We are about to have DJ off the books and have a QB on a rookie contract.
I'd much rather have a proven #1 WR that's expensive than taking a guy like Legette/Pearsall just because they are cheap.
Plus those guys are very unlikely to last until pick 47. Pick 47 bpa will very likelh not align with WR.
Yeah we have a lot of holes but if the QB hits and Aiyuk makes our WR core legit plus a solid defense then we are going to be competing for the playoffs. Plenty of time to fill those holes from now until 2029.
I think most people would agree...but then you have the money factor.
Trading for Aiyuk you’re getting a better player now, who will be off the books when you pay your rookie QB and then you can replace him with a rookie WR.
It’s the perfect time to add a big money proven wide receiver who is still in his prime.
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At 47 aren’t as great as people want to believe. At 6 it’s probably even a 50-50 chance Nabers or Odunze are as good or better than Aiyuk
I think most people would agree...but then you have the money factor.
That's where the rookie qb contract is such a jackpot in the NFL. We would have 4 years of paying the QB 5-6.5 million per year. Thus we could have Burns, Aiyuk and Maye for the price of about DJ+Waller.
This is the simplest way to put it.
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they have a shot of one of the top QBs so they are getting their receiver via trade.
This is the simplest way to put it.
It would likely be done after we get QB during the draft if it were to happen.
Jones couldn’t get it done if he had Rice, Taylor, Roger Craig, and Brent Jones in their primes…
this guy likes attention
Who exactly are you referring to?
If they can get him for #47, I’m on board.
Though I will say they should at least wait until draft day…trading for Aiyuk would make QB a near certainty at 6…but don’t want to telegraph it as Minnesota, Denver are lurking…
That would be my expectation.
"Weapons for Daniel" is not the route to go.
I’m sure there’ll be some excuse that is being workshopped now.
"Fix the offensive line!!!" is what it would be.
Unfortunately, yes I can.
He’s more than a good player, let’s not downplay his talent and production just because he was in that offense without enough targets.
Glad to hear...heart is in Pine Bush and Montgomery.
Almost 5!! Time to start grooming him for Jints and Rangers' Blue?? Already underway!!
How they gonna pry Maye from the Pats?
Was Mara with Kraft in the strip club?
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
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I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
Name 15 wrs better.
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I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
Just because he isn't top 5, doesn't mean he isn't a WR1.
Give the rookie every chance to succeed with a proven talent than have two rookies try to figure it out together.
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I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
PFFs 2nd rated receiver:
The 49ers' top wide receiver in 2023, Aiyuk was one of only three wideouts to average more than 3.00 yards per route run in the regular season, with his 3.01 mark ranking third at the position. He finished the year with just two drops from 86 catchable targets.
Missed 1 game in the past 3 years? Chase, Jefferson, Hill, Brown, and then who else is in tier 1 WR1? Aiyuk is definitively in the tier after the elite upper echelon wr1s and he is a wr1, not somewhere in between wr1 and wr2. There's no comparison between Aiyuk and say Tee Higgins (even if Higgins could stay healthy).
Give the rookie every chance to succeed with a proven talent than have two rookies try to figure it out together.
Exactly, I know you love Maye bw. You don't want to get him a security blanket wr1 whom pairs perfectly with Wandale. Hyatt and Slayton? Then I guess you don't want to give Maye the best chance to succeed?
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I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
I am mostly of this mind too, but I think the x-factor is how much a vet alpha in the WR room can help a rookie along. Schoen saw it in Buffalo with Diggs launching Allen's development to new levels. I wonder if they want that influence from the get-go and not two rooks figuring things out.
Name 15 wrs better.
I'm not sure I can. Aiyuk is probably in the 8-12 range with a bunch of other WRs who are very similar in skill. Skill that, again, I don't find very special.
Like I said to UConn, I won't begrudge anyone feeling that Aiyuk is a WR1. I get the proven asset POV.
I just don't like the acquisition costs when I trust the annual supply coming in from college.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
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Name 15 wrs better.
I'm not sure I can. Aiyuk is probably in the 8-12 range with a bunch of other WRs who are very similar in skill. Skill that, again, I don't find very special.
Like I said to UConn, I won't begrudge anyone feeling that Aiyuk is a WR1. I get the proven asset POV.
I just don't like the acquisition costs when I trust the annual supply coming in from college. [/quote
So, hypothetically speaking You'd rather take your chances in the draft for Maye to get a security blanket receiver vs. Trading say pick 47 and a conditional 3rd in 2025 draft? I don't think anyone is suggesting he's a top 5 elite wr, otherwise the trade price would be like the Tyreek Hill trade. I wouldn't do this unless we had a definitive plan in place for a QB in this draft (likely Maye according to all the reports here). If you only consider wr1s to be the top5 wrs in the NFL, then sure he isn't a wr1. I think there is a much wider range than that though. Any WR that is the top option for an offense demanding the top cb and some doubles yet still produces well is a wr1 in my book. Im surprised you wouldn't want this for your boy Maye to have the best situation possible. Spend draft picks on our other holes and give Maye the most high percentages chance to thrive (which means Aiyuk>a mid 2nd rd receiver likely after the top 10-15 receivers are taken).
College game has been and will continue to send quality WR's to the NFL imv. This draft is very deep with WR's.
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I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
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I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
He's easily WR1 on the Giants.
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I’m not sure what you are watching. Give him a full dose of #1 targets and he’s putting up 100/1500/10.
I see Aiyuk in the space between a WR1 and a WR2. Very good player, but nothing very special. He highly doubt he scares the piss out of DCs like a Hill or Jefferson.
But I'm not going to try to dissuade you if you think he's a true WR1.
However, I keep going back to the fact, and it is a fact, that the WR pipeline from college is pretty damn reliable YoY. Which means Aiyuk-types are going to be available and at a much cheaper rate.
I'd rather risk finding that Aiyuk-type in the draft than paying a huge nut for the actual Aiyuk.
He's easily WR1 on the Giants.
He's WR1 for 2/3 to 3/4 of NFL teams.
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I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
It's not just the draft capital, it's the contract we'd have to give him. I'd rather have MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze on a rookie contract.
Constantly trading premium picks for expensive players is a bad way to build a team IMO. It shows a lack of confidence in scouting. I can understand doing it for Burns because we had a crying need for another DE, who will only make KT more effective, had an extra second round pick, and got him for a lot less than the two firsts and a second that the Rams apparently offered Carolina. I can also understand in some cases doing it for a QB. But the better decision in this case is to simply draft one of the "big three" WRs. At least one is guaranteed to be available at #6.
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I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
Diggs was traded to the Bills for pick 22, 5th 6th and future 4th. He was then a top 5 wr too
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In comment 16471944 superspynyg said:
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I doubt the 49ers take anything less than a 1st. I am not giving the 6th pick for him. Especially since we would have to pay him 25-30 mil a year.
Stay at 6 take either Nabers or Odunze and we get them for 5 years on a rookie deal.
Agreed.
Let's see..AJ Brown was a top 5 wr and traded for pick 18 and pick 101. Tyreek Hill was traded to Miami for five draft picks — 2022 first-, second-, and fourth-round picks as well as 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks (and Miami was definitively picking after 20 in rd1). Why would Aiyuk get more than pick 47 and a 2025 conditional 3rd? Pick 47 and a 2025 2nd for Aiyuk, pick 18 and 101 for a younger and better Aj Brown, no one is giving a #1 for him besides maybe the Bills and I don't think he fits in their cap plans.
It's not just the draft capital, it's the contract we'd have to give him. I'd rather have MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze on a rookie contract.
Constantly trading premium picks for expensive players is a bad way to build a team IMO. It shows a lack of confidence in scouting. I can understand doing it for Burns because we had a crying need for another DE, who will only make KT more effective, had an extra second round pick, and got him for a lot less than the two firsts and a second that the Rams apparently offered Carolina. I can also understand in some cases doing it for a QB. But the better decision in this case is to simply draft one of the "big three" WRs. At least one is guaranteed to be available at #6.
This trade would never be done if pick 6 wasn't being used for a QB. So, that's not really valid. I don't think anyone would argue we should trade for Aiyuk if pick 6 isn't used for a QB.
I would only think this would remotely happen if the Giants use the 47th pick (plus others) to trade up from 6 to get a QB and want to make sure to give him a good vet WR to help him right away.. So this trade would happen post draft.
That being said, I think this would be a terrible move.
1) He says he wants to build through the draft. He already traded a 2 & 5 for Burns. Most likely it also means he traded up for a QB using more picks. Now he’s going to trade more, most likely next years picks too to get him?
2) Aiyuk isn’t a #1 WR. Is he good? Yes. But he’s not a top WR. So you’re going to trade picks plus pay him top dollar? Hell no. There’s so many good WR is this draft and pretty much every draft, it’s not worth it to use picks and pay him. He’s not a premier player. Hes a guy that you can easily replace in the draft. No need to trade for a guy like him.