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Ryan Dunleavy on McCarthy

GFAN52 : 4/17/2024 5:47 pm
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My own source reporting led me to Maye very early in the process.

There was a time I would’ve said #Giants would rather be picking 2 than 1 to avoid making the Maye/Caleb Williams decision.

That opinion changed to McCarthy in convos since Combine. Time to circle back!
Sounds like he’s  
Breeze_94 : 4/17/2024 5:57 pm : link
Throwing shit at a wall.

Dunleavy is usually fine but there is 0 chance he knows anything. He’s probably just following breadcrumbs like all of us here…with the only different being he gets paid to do it and has better access to team officials/players/support staff etc.

Unfortunately for Dunleavy, nobody of any importance in the draft decision is telling him who they are picking
RE: Sounds like he’s  
GFAN52 : 4/17/2024 5:59 pm : link
In comment 16472775 Breeze_94 said:
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Throwing shit at a wall.

Dunleavy is usually fine but there is 0 chance he knows anything. He’s probably just following breadcrumbs like all of us here…with the only different being he gets paid to do it and has better access to team officials/players/support staff etc.

Unfortunately for Dunleavy, nobody of any importance in the draft decision is telling him who they are picking


Have to give Schoen credit for keeping everyone guessing.

The Giants  
JoeyBigBlue : 4/17/2024 6:04 pm : link
Could be hyping up McCarthy so that the Patriots take him instead of Maye. I’ve heard the Pats don’t love Maye and would prefer trading down, but they desperately need a QB.
RE: The Giants  
Optimus-NY : 4/17/2024 6:05 pm : link
In comment 16472782 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Could be hyping up McCarthy so that the Patriots take him instead of Maye. I’ve heard the Pats don’t love Maye and would prefer trading down, but they desperately need a QB.


+1
RE: The Giants  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 6:05 pm : link
In comment 16472782 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Could be hyping up McCarthy so that the Patriots take him instead of Maye. I’ve heard the Pats don’t love Maye and would prefer trading down, but they desperately need a QB.


Yes. If the Giants don't like Maye, there are a number of reasons why they would want teams to think they did.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/17/2024 6:06 pm : link
Refreshing that people have no idea what we might do, compared to ‘21 & ‘16 drafts.
i dont think teams can hype other teams into picks  
Eric on Li : 4/17/2024 6:08 pm : link
caleb seems locked in #1 but the other 3 seem to be in consideration all over the place.
RE: i dont think teams can hype other teams into picks  
JoeyBigBlue : 4/17/2024 6:10 pm : link
In comment 16472793 Eric on Li said:
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caleb seems locked in #1 but the other 3 seem to be in consideration all over the place.


I think Caleb is clearly a tier above the QB prospects. It’s very easy to see that.
The Giants may also be trying to signal to NE  
LW_Giants : 4/17/2024 6:10 pm : link
that if NE thinks they'll be able to trade down and still get JJM (who Kraft supposedly loves) they should think twice because we'll take him before they get the chance. So, NE should either trade with us or take JJM at 3
RE: i dont think teams can hype other teams into picks  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 6:23 pm : link
In comment 16472793 Eric on Li said:
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caleb seems locked in #1 but the other 3 seem to be in consideration all over the place.


I was told years ago that the Giants tried to goad the Cowboys into taking a QB. It didn't work only because Jerry differed to the GM.
He's saying he now believes NYG want Maye  
BleedBlue46 : 4/17/2024 6:32 pm : link
In a super confusing way
There’s absolutely zero chance that the Giants rumors will  
DeVito32 : 4/17/2024 6:34 pm : link
will effect anything the Patriots do. If they want Maye or McCarthy they will just take them at 3. It’s the most ridiculous and idiotic thing I’ve ever heard and makes zero sense.

On the other hand, if they keep saying they want a QB and forces the Vikings, Broncos and Raiders hand to move up in front of them to push one of the WR to them that definitely is possible and makes sense.
RE: i dont think teams can hype other teams into picks  
UConn4523 : 4/17/2024 6:34 pm : link
In comment 16472793 Eric on Li said:
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caleb seems locked in #1 but the other 3 seem to be in consideration all over the place.


Agreed, it’s such a weird concept to lock onto. Nothing about it makes any sense.
LOL  
ZogZerg : 4/17/2024 6:38 pm : link
This is comical!!

They know shit.
RE: LOL  
GFAN52 : 4/17/2024 6:47 pm : link
In comment 16472820 ZogZerg said:
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This is comical!!

They know shit.


Only the great Carnac the Magnificent knows.

RE: The Giants may also be trying to signal to NE  
Jim in Tampa : 4/17/2024 7:09 pm : link
In comment 16472798 LW_Giants said:
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that if NE thinks they'll be able to trade down and still get JJM (who Kraft supposedly loves) they should think twice because we'll take him before they get the chance. So, NE should either trade with us or take JJM at 3

At least this makes some sense. The thought that NE, which chooses BEFORE NY, would pick, not the QB they prefer, but the QB NY preferred, is pretty stupid.

Teams do their own scouting, their own evaluations and have their own boards. The Pats are not going to be influenced by what the Giants (reportedly) think, when they get to pick first.
RE: The Giants  
uther99 : 4/17/2024 7:30 pm : link
In comment 16472782 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Could be hyping up McCarthy so that the Patriots take him instead of Maye. I’ve heard the Pats don’t love Maye and would prefer trading down, but they desperately need a QB.


If an NFL team drafts a player based on a lower team hyping a player, then just fire you're entire scouting department and rely on mock drafts
RE: There’s absolutely zero chance that the Giants rumors will  
Big Rick in FL : 4/17/2024 7:37 pm : link
In comment 16472817 DeVito32 said:
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will effect anything the Patriots do. If they want Maye or McCarthy they will just take them at 3. It’s the most ridiculous and idiotic thing I’ve ever heard and makes zero sense.

On the other hand, if they keep saying they want a QB and forces the Vikings, Broncos and Raiders hand to move up in front of them to push one of the WR to them that definitely is possible and makes sense.


I disagree with this. Giants rumors could absolutely affect what the Pats do. Not saying it's likely, but IMO it's possible. It could affect trade down situations.
RE: There’s absolutely zero chance that the Giants rumors will  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 7:40 pm : link
In comment 16472817 DeVito32 said:
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will effect anything the Patriots do. If they want Maye or McCarthy they will just take them at 3. It’s the most ridiculous and idiotic thing I’ve ever heard and makes zero sense.

On the other hand, if they keep saying they want a QB and forces the Vikings, Broncos and Raiders hand to move up in front of them to push one of the WR to them that definitely is possible and makes sense.


Of course. Both points are accurate. But it also presents a better possible trade down option too if the non-QBs are still on the board (Alt, the WRs).
IMO  
UberAlias : 4/17/2024 7:47 pm : link
The key for NE is getting to 5. If they can trade with us and then deal back to 4 with Az, their owner gets his QB and the GM gets his extra picks.
RE: RE: There’s absolutely zero chance that the Giants rumors will  
KennyHill48 : 4/17/2024 8:22 pm : link
In comment 16472890 Eric from BBI said:
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will effect anything the Patriots do. If they want Maye or McCarthy they will just take them at 3. It’s the most ridiculous and idiotic thing I’ve ever heard and makes zero sense.

On the other hand, if they keep saying they want a QB and forces the Vikings, Broncos and Raiders hand to move up in front of them to push one of the WR to them that definitely is possible and makes sense.



Of course. Both points are accurate. But it also presents a better possible trade down option too if the non-QBs are still on the board (Alt, the WRs).


Great point Eric. Didn't think of that. If they get one of these teams to jump them at 4 or 5 and then they trade back to 8 they can still get a WR and pick up draft capital.
KennyHill48  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/17/2024 8:26 pm : link
I wish the podcast was up because we discussed this in detail. To trade down, it would have to be a really good deal, but teams may be willing to do that and the Giants can use help at a lot of different positions. They can also maneuver if they want to land Penix or Nix as fallback options. Or they can accumulate draft capital to move up in 2025 for the QB.
RE: RE: i dont think teams can hype other teams into picks  
bw in dc : 4/17/2024 8:35 pm : link
In comment 16472812 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16472793 Eric on Li said:


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caleb seems locked in #1 but the other 3 seem to be in consideration all over the place.



I was told years ago that the Giants tried to goad the Cowboys into taking a QB. It didn't work only because Jerry differed to the GM.


Jerry is the GM. I'm guessing you are talking about Manziel.

The reason Dallas passed is because Stephen and Will McClay held Jerry hostage for 15 minutes so they could call Zack Martin and tell him he was going to be a Cowboy...
I don’t follow what Dunleavy is even saying in those few words  
ThomasG : 4/17/2024 9:45 pm : link
Can anybody confidently translate?
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