How would you define Trevor Lawrence's career thus far?

Very overrated

I think being in Javksonville and a #1 pick....helps him.

In comment 16472832 Danny Kanell said:

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Very overrated

This.

Jacksonville should trade him before everyone in the NFL feels this way.

In comment 16472833 George from PA said:

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I think being in Javksonville and a #1 pick....helps him.

The rookie year is so important and Lawrence was "coached" by one of the worst coaches in NFL history so I think he's still catching up.

He's a better QB than Jones by miles, but the Jags will have an interesting decision if he doesn't take the next step next season. Right now as crazy as it sounds, you let him go unless he's willing to take a lower, Geno Smith tier contract.

To be clear he isn't awful. '22 was a nice year. But otherwise it's been "meh", and that doesn't cut it considering the hype and expectations.

They're trying to extend him? If Pederson believes in him I'd consider it significant, but seems crazy to me.

Thus far, I'd go 'underwhelming' considering the hype.

but he sure was fucked out of the gates. I’d try to avoid a huge extension but I also get it, he looks capable and it hasn’t come together which I realize is a risk.

Not a bad QB but not what was expected so far. Has had some talent around him too. Dont remember if Palmer had the talent around him like Lawrence does.

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In comment 16472877 Jack Stroud said:

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You’re trying too hard. Please stop.

TL played on a brutally bad sprained ankle last season. He’s massively underrated even if he’s not the end all be all QB so many BBI draft experts proclaimed he’d be. He’s still a good qb with upside and one with the skill set you need to win in January.

Overrated? If you insisted he’d be the best nfl qb ever, sure. But that was always a foolish take. He’s good. And might end up crafting a great career.

Eli had a worse first 3 seasons. Be fair. Careers aren’t defined this quickly.

He's going to ask for $50M+ a year. Has his performance to this point been to that level? Absolutely not. Just because potential excuses exist doesn't mean he will justify that cost.

This is when you start getting into "face of the franchise" bullshit and making bad decisions as a result. They should find a sucker and take advantage.

In comment 16472868 Mark from Jersey said:

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Not a bad QB but not what was expected so far. Has had some talent around him too. Dont remember if Palmer had the talent around him like Lawrence does.

Carson Palmer had awesome weapons, prime Chad Johnson, Housh, Fitz, some good RBs and TEs. I think he was surrounded by much better talent. The knee injury really fucked his career up.

incomplete.

The weird thing is, as the team around him has gotten better, he has dropped off a bit.

I would be concerned that TL may have peaked at Clemson.

When I have watched TL, he doesn't look overwhelmed playing QB in the NFL. He passes most of the eye-test.

His play, however, should be much cleaner. Yet, the boneheaded moments won't go away. I see a lot of Eli to his game...

I would definitely not negotiate another deal yet. I would either pick up the 5th year option or shop him.

In comment 16472959 bw in dc said:

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I would be concerned that TL may have peaked at Clemson. When I have watched TL, he doesn't look overwhelmed playing QB in the NFL. He passes most of the eye-test. His play, however, should be much cleaner. Yet, the boneheaded moments won't go away. I see a lot of Eli to his game... I would definitely not negotiate another deal yet. I would either pick up the 5th year option or shop him.

I was going to say I see some Eli in him. The question will be can he be playoff Elii?

In comment 16472836 Go Terps said:

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In comment 16472832 Danny Kanell said: Quote: Very overrated This. Jacksonville should trade him before everyone in the NFL feels this way.

Yes and I am sure everyone remembered the "Tank for Trevor" campaign. This is why you always have to try to win every game.

In comment 16472959 bw in dc said:

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I would be concerned that TL may have peaked at Clemson. When I have watched TL, he doesn't look overwhelmed playing QB in the NFL. He passes most of the eye-test. His play, however, should be much cleaner. Yet, the boneheaded moments won't go away. I see a lot of Eli to his game... I would definitely not negotiate another deal yet. I would either pick up the 5th year option or shop him.

What an insult to Eli Manning. Some of you completely vomit all over every thread.

In comment 16472996 Chris684 said:

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In comment 16472959 bw in dc said: Quote: I would be concerned that TL may have peaked at Clemson. When I have watched TL, he doesn't look overwhelmed playing QB in the NFL. He passes most of the eye-test. His play, however, should be much cleaner. Yet, the boneheaded moments won't go away. I see a lot of Eli to his game... I would definitely not negotiate another deal yet. I would either pick up the 5th year option or shop him. What an insult to Eli Manning. Some of you completely vomit all over every thread.

Really? Did you not see Eli's first few years?

here were Eli's first three full years:

2005: 53% Comp%, 24TDs/17INTs, 6.8 YPA
2006: 58% Comp%, 24TDs/18INTs, 6.2 YPA
2007: 56% Comp%, 23TDs/20INTs, 6.3 YPA

Do they look superlative to anybody?

Should I bring in Lawrence's first three years to compare?

As usual, we mock what we don't know...

In comment 16473009 bw in dc said:

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here were Eli's first three full years: 2005: 53% Comp%, 24TDs/17INTs, 6.8 YPA 2006: 58% Comp%, 24TDs/18INTs, 6.2 YPA 2007: 56% Comp%, 23TDs/20INTs, 6.3 YPA Do they look superlative to anybody? Should I bring in Lawrence's first three years to compare? As usual, we mock what we don't know...

Bad example. Two totally different eras of football. Even if it was only like 15 years ago.

In comment 16473014 JT039 said:

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In comment 16473009 bw in dc said: Quote: here were Eli's first three full years: 2005: 53% Comp%, 24TDs/17INTs, 6.8 YPA 2006: 58% Comp%, 24TDs/18INTs, 6.2 YPA 2007: 56% Comp%, 23TDs/20INTs, 6.3 YPA Do they look superlative to anybody? Should I bring in Lawrence's first three years to compare? As usual, we mock what we don't know... Bad example. Two totally different eras of football. Even if it was only like 15 years ago.

This era or that era, the point is still valid. Eli struggled early as the top pick. Same with Lawrence.

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The Jaguars aren’t obligated to extend him right now. I would wait minimum until he finishes year 4 to extend him. He’s been very up and down and not yet meriting a long term extension. He’s still uber talented and I do expect a huge season out of him. Sometimes it takes guys time under the right situation to fully show their worth.

In comment 16473009 bw in dc said:

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here were Eli's first three full years: 2005: 53% Comp%, 24TDs/17INTs, 6.8 YPA 2006: 58% Comp%, 24TDs/18INTs, 6.2 YPA 2007: 56% Comp%, 23TDs/20INTs, 6.3 YPA Do they look superlative to anybody? Should I bring in Lawrence's first three years to compare? Different era of the game. The game has switched to a passing league and stats like Eli’s won’t cut it today and he would have had better stats if he played today. It was a much more violent game back then. Now you have to 2 hand touch a QB. As usual, we mock what we don't know...

In comment 16472918 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 16472868 Mark from Jersey said: Quote: Not a bad QB but not what was expected so far. Has had some talent around him too. Dont remember if Palmer had the talent around him like Lawrence does. Carson Palmer had awesome weapons, prime Chad Johnson, Housh, Fitz, some good RBs and TEs. I think he was surrounded by much better talent. The knee injury really fucked his career up.

Torn acls were a whole different beast back then

as his frosh year at Clemson. Each year he seemed to go backward a bit. I don't want to say regressed, but he was never again as good.
I still expect to see a QB close to what I saw at Clemson, and I just don't.
Frankly, I do not know what to make of him. Perhaps the Eli analogy is correct - you expect him to be better than he is doing.

He has a chance to move the needle this year, if he continues to be just okay then well he may just be okay. Not bad but not special like he was expected to be when drafted

Under achieving.

Both sides can make a good argument extending now isn't in their best interest. Based on his overall body of work, a contract today could be severely over or under valued.

Lawrence walked into quite possibly the worst situation in a decade in the NFL. I think you wipe the slate clean of anything his rookie year, and look at the last 2 years.

He's a work in progress, but he's stayed on the field and accounted for 4300+, 25-30 TDs and a winning record the last 2 years.

I'd tell his rep let's do this next offseason.

Hype greater than the performance both in college and NFL.

bordering on disappointingly so

I think it limits him just like I think it will limit Penix.

anyone who calls either a bust doesn't know what a bust is.

at the same time both obviously arent in the Burrow category of super star hits at the 1st overall pick. the jury is still out - which was absolutely the case with many others like Eli in the past even when they were 3-4 years in.

i think both have been clearly better than Mayfield.

I'd personally take Lawrence over Tua pretty easily, I think Tua needs a lot more around him to succeed. I'd also probably take him over Kyler because he seems more committed/durable.

I think Lawrence has performed a lot closer to Herbert than many realize even though Herbert is viewed on a whole other level because of his arm talent (which is special). neither have been served well by their situations, which is common for teams bad enough to pick where they got picked and part of why it sometimes takes a while before QBs are their best selves.

the notion of 1st/2nd year QB success is a very new phenomenon. before Luck that pretty much never happened.

I think also he is good, he seemed to be playing injured last year. I am expecting a big improvement this season. Also wasn't the chart mentioned above only comparing 3 Trevor season to 5 Jones seasons? So Trevor has 1-2 more cost controlled seasons to improve , plus he had the dumpster fire his first season

That first season under Urban Meyer could not have been any worse for his career (plus, color me unimpressed with his development at Clemson, but that's it's own thread.) He's got a lot of talent, so I wouldn't bet against him turning it around, but so far it's obviously been mediocre at best.

And I would bet most of us haven't either. I would still take Lawrence in a heartbeat.

In comment 16473017 bw in dc said:

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In comment 16473014 JT039 said: Quote: In comment 16473009 bw in dc said: Quote: here were Eli's first three full years: 2005: 53% Comp%, 24TDs/17INTs, 6.8 YPA 2006: 58% Comp%, 24TDs/18INTs, 6.2 YPA 2007: 56% Comp%, 23TDs/20INTs, 6.3 YPA Do they look superlative to anybody? Should I bring in Lawrence's first three years to compare? As usual, we mock what we don't know... Bad example. Two totally different eras of football. Even if it was only like 15 years ago. This era or that era, the point is still valid. Eli struggled early as the top pick. Same with Lawrence.

Many QBs "struggle" early. Also, many fans were way over the top and overly critical and look how it all turned out.

Sometimes you have to live with the imperfections and work with the QB. Eli and so many more were prime examples. You don't give up one of the most talented QBs in the game and one who has already displayed winning football simply because he's not a living legend, yet.

It's patience. If you don't possess some patience with the QB position you will fail time and time again unless you land that can't miss, transcendent stud who kicks ass right out of the gates, stays there and never shows any weak points ever. And the team better be fucking awesome because imperfect teams lead to imperfect QB play, unless you're one of those wackos who thinks the QB cures all ills week after week month after month and year after year. Some of you do actually believe this nonsense.

2022 was promising, but injuries and a ton of poor decisions in games marred last season. His arm isn't as good as thought was the other noticeable trait, not sure if it was injury related.

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He's still young enough that there is a reasonable expectation that he might yet play up to expectations, but it's far from a sure thing at this point.

In comment 16473860 djm said:

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Many QBs "struggle" early. Also, many fans were way over the top and overly critical and look how it all turned out. Sometimes you have to live with the imperfections and work with the QB. Eli and so many more were prime examples. You don't give up one of the most talented QBs in the game and one who has already displayed winning football simply because he's not a living legend, yet. It's patience. If you don't possess some patience with the QB position you will fail time and time again unless you land that can't miss, transcendent stud who kicks ass right out of the gates, stays there and never shows any weak points ever. And the team better be fucking awesome because imperfect teams lead to imperfect QB play, unless you're one of those wackos who thinks the QB cures all ills week after week month after month and year after year. Some of you do actually believe this nonsense.

While I understand patience should be considered, Lawrence has had 50 starts in 3 seasons. That's a lot of data and video. And as the #1 pick, there are/were lofty expectations.

So, if you were the GM of Jax with Lawrence is entering his 4th season, would you write him a new big check, pick-up his 5th year option, or want another full year to evaluate. Because that's the crux of the situation...

In comment 16473017 bw in dc said:

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In comment 16473014 JT039 said: Quote: In comment 16473009 bw in dc said: Quote: here were Eli's first three full years: 2005: 53% Comp%, 24TDs/17INTs, 6.8 YPA 2006: 58% Comp%, 24TDs/18INTs, 6.2 YPA 2007: 56% Comp%, 23TDs/20INTs, 6.3 YPA Do they look superlative to anybody? Should I bring in Lawrence's first three years to compare? As usual, we mock what we don't know... Bad example. Two totally different eras of football. Even if it was only like 15 years ago. This era or that era, the point is still valid. Eli struggled early as the top pick. Same with Lawrence.

Fair enough, but your original point didn't sound as though you were limiting the comparison to Eli's first few years and were instead comparing TL to Eli overall. That's gonna trigger.

His general play hasn’t lived up to it. It’s the fact that his Top5/10% of great plays don’t really live up to it. His arm just doesn’t seem to be A+ capable.

For literally the most hyped prospect since Peyton and Elway before him, Lawrence has been a little disappointing. Not a bust. But a guy we expected to and wanted to be better.

He still feels raw as a passer. His room for growth still seems significant but I don’t know how much of that is preconceived notions or reality.