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Jayden Daniels and his agent appear unhappy

ajr2456 : 4/18/2024 7:56 am
With the Commanders pre draft process
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NJBlueTuna : 4/18/2024 8:47 am : link
In comment 16473209 ryanmkeane said:
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Arizona St teammates pretty much hated the guy. Can't dismiss that.


They didn’t “hate him”, but there was a single report of a few teammates saying something along the lines of “ [daniels] sucks”. Oh this was said after his 19 yr old Arizona teammates learned he was transferring to LSU…..
Yea let’s not lie and exaggerate  
ajr2456 : 4/18/2024 8:50 am : link
There were teammates upset that he transferred from ASU. There was never a report before that or a report from LSU that his teammates hated him. The reaction by a handful of teammates being upset he transferred was basically like the reaction to many here when Saqoun signed with Philly.

His LSU teammates loved him.
I can see this in two ways  
UberAlias : 4/18/2024 8:51 am : link
Either Daniels sees himself in a tight race for the spot and this move by the team only adding to the pressure, or Daniels has been led to believe he's the guy and frustrated at having been put through this after what he's been led to believe.

My guess is the latter.
RE: I can see this in two ways  
ajr2456 : 4/18/2024 8:53 am : link
In comment 16473231 UberAlias said:
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Either Daniels sees himself in a tight race for the spot and this move by the team only adding to the pressure, or Daniels has been led to believe he's the guy and frustrated at having been put through this after what he's been led to believe.

My guess is the latter.


Based on some digging by people into his agents past likes, it seems like the latter is correct
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UConn4523 : 4/18/2024 8:54 am : link
In comment 16473209 ryanmkeane said:
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Arizona St teammates pretty much hated the guy. Can't dismiss that.


Need some solid proof of this. Daniels also thanked his ASU teammates in his heisman speech.
 
ryanmkeane : 4/18/2024 9:21 am : link
We had an entire post from Big Rick saying Daniels is a douche.
LOL  
Sammo85 : 4/18/2024 9:25 am : link
Oh my goodness....
I'd guess they told  
Biteymax22 : 4/18/2024 9:26 am : link
Jayden they're going to be drafting him at 2 then still brought in the other QBs afterwards.

Truth be told, I'd do the same if I'm the Commanders. There's a really good chance you'll be playing against Maye/McCarthy 2x a year in their own division and you want all the intel you can get.

Daniels and his agent need to shut up, I'm wondering if they got wind that the Commanders are having second thoughts about Jayden after bringing someone else in (McCarthy is rumored to be super impressive on interviews/visits).
What Big Rick said  
ajr2456 : 4/18/2024 9:30 am : link
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I'm not trying to knock the kid at all nor saying he's a bad person or will be a bad QB. Just wasn't personally a fan of his I'm better than you attitude. There are plenty of great QBs with that same attitude including the current QB of our little Brother.


I’d wager more athletes than not have a “better than you” attitude when dealing with the general public. That doesn’t mean his teammates hated him
Maybe Jayden doesn’t want to play for DC,  
Section331 : 4/18/2024 9:45 am : link
so his team is muddying the waters a bit? I can’t think of any other reason why his team would knock the team for doing due diligence.
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gersh : 4/18/2024 9:46 am : link
In comment 16473217 j_rud said:
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sports to real life but if I showed up at an interview and was told I have to go hangout with my competition I’d be pissed. I’d also be looking elsewhere even more.



100%. Especially if they weren't aware going in. Bit of a cutthroat move to see how guys respond to awkwardness/discomfort. Interestingly it also runs the risk of blowing up your draft plan a week out. You can't convince me they don't know who it is. Let's assume most speculation is accurate and it's Daniels. What if he reacts so poorly (to a contrived scenario, mind you) that it turns off a portion of your scouts? What if he pulls some wild shit and refuses to play for them?

Like you said there is utility there. But the way they did it, and especially when they did it, wreaks of amateur hour.


I agree with this.
It's a high pressure position and a HUGE decision for the franchise. They are just doing all they can to get all the information they can about how he handles himself.
They can kiss and make up later. Now,their jobs are likely tied to this pick.
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gersh : 4/18/2024 9:47 am : link
I guess I'm more in the 'cry me a river' camp.
 
christian : 4/18/2024 9:48 am : link
Being liked is not on the top 500 most important traits needed to be a successful NFL player.
Group interviews  
JB_in_DC : 4/18/2024 9:55 am : link
can be a thing in finance.

Pretty freaking awkward. I had one where they made us all take an IQ test, then a series of interviews, and then a group trip to a bar where I was asked how I thought my IQ test compared to the broader group.
What makes this stand out  
Dankbeerman : 4/18/2024 9:57 am : link
IS that this is their first draft as an organization basically.

New Ownership and a 1st time GM. There is a chance they are a mess. No results to prove their ways are effective.

I wouldn't be to excited going to Washington.
RE: RE: They aren't happy they brought all 4 QBs in?  
robbieballs2003 : 4/18/2024 9:57 am : link
In comment 16473224 j_rud said:
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Cry me a fuckin river. What a stupid fuckin thing to be annoyed at.



That wouldn't rub you the wrong way? It's a contrived scenario designed to push buttons and gauge a reaction. It's also a PR move. While you would hope a gunslinger would show up and say "What's up boys, why are *you* here, we all know I'm their Guy" I think it also portras Washington poorly.


I'm fighting for a job, so no it wouldn't bother me. In fact I have been on interviews like that. Is it illegal? No. Is it different? Yes. But different or against the grain doesn't mean it is wrong. They can conduct business how they want. And how is this a PR stunt? Washington isn't putting this news out there. It is Daniels' side complaining about it. If it is Washington saying hey look at me then I agree it is weird. We all know NFL teams do things to see how players react. We had guys take ridiculous tests that meant nothing. We had the Eagles supposedly ask a player about his mom being a lady of the night or some shit. Getting 4 QBs in at once to compete? I'd want to beat the shit out of the others.
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UConn4523 : 4/18/2024 9:58 am : link
In comment 16473323 gersh said:
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I guess I'm more in the 'cry me a river' camp.


Why are you immediately jumping to him crying a river? The guy can be disappointed in Washington while still following through with it and handling himself professionally (seems like that’s the case). Not his fault his opinion leaked and he’s allowed to think it was stupid, I would and seems like everyone else does too.
I wont over-react  
The Dude : 4/18/2024 9:58 am : link
Idk if its disrespectful, unusual etc....to me its just strange for Washington to do this.


Not end of the world, Dan Synder type actions...but just strange...
Also,  
robbieballs2003 : 4/18/2024 10:01 am : link
How come we only heard this from Daniels' camp? What about the other 3? They probably appreciate the opportunity. Daniels sounds like he had the job locked up and didn't. And this may not even be Daniels saying this and just his agent.
RE: Also,  
UConn4523 : 4/18/2024 10:03 am : link
In comment 16473358 robbieballs2003 said:
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How come we only heard this from Daniels' camp? What about the other 3? They probably appreciate the opportunity. Daniels sounds like he had the job locked up and didn't. And this may not even be Daniels saying this and just his agent.


Who knows, but does it matter? Doesn’t change that it’s strange and probably off putting, and all 4 still went through with it. My guess is behind closed doors it was similarly viewed. Why it leaked is anyone’s guess.
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robbieballs2003 : 4/18/2024 10:09 am : link
In comment 16473365 UConn4523 said:
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How come we only heard this from Daniels' camp? What about the other 3? They probably appreciate the opportunity. Daniels sounds like he had the job locked up and didn't. And this may not even be Daniels saying this and just his agent.



Who knows, but does it matter? Doesn’t change that it’s strange and probably off putting, and all 4 still went through with it. My guess is behind closed doors it was similarly viewed. Why it leaked is anyone’s guess.


Football is about competition so no I dont have the same view as some here. I think it says more about the candidates than it says about the organization.
someone wants daniels  
jvm52106 : 4/18/2024 10:10 am : link
to Daniels to all past 2.. NE is the most obvious. It is why I think if Daniels is not there NE is moving back.
RE: RE: I can see this in two ways  
Darwinian : 4/18/2024 10:11 am : link
In comment 16473235 ajr2456 said:
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Either Daniels sees himself in a tight race for the spot and this move by the team only adding to the pressure, or Daniels has been led to believe he's the guy and frustrated at having been put through this after what he's been led to believe.

My guess is the latter.



Based on some digging by people into his agents past likes, it seems like the latter is correct


That would not be my guess. You don't tell someone they are the guy and then publicly do things to contradict the move. I don't think they made Daniels any promises, though maybe he perceived promises were made. And I'm pretty sure going #2 overall is a priority for him, not just because it is a greater achievement and validation and more money, but because Washington is in much better shape than New England.

People shouldn't rule out Maye to Washington. He is a good fit for Kingsbury every bit as much as Daniels is.
RE: Also,  
ajr2456 : 4/18/2024 10:11 am : link
In comment 16473358 robbieballs2003 said:
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How come we only heard this from Daniels' camp? What about the other 3? They probably appreciate the opportunity. Daniels sounds like he had the job locked up and didn't. And this may not even be Daniels saying this and just his agent.


Or none of their agents are dumb enough to get caught on social media liking posts critical of it
...  
ryanmkeane : 4/18/2024 10:12 am : link
Again, almost no one reacted to Big Rick's post about Daniels. The guy is on record saying he's a dick.
Sounds like Daniel’s agent is the issue  
ajr2456 : 4/18/2024 10:15 am : link
KSTP's Darren Wolfson reported on April 4 that the Vikings have faced difficulties scheduling a private meeting with Daniels due to his representation's skepticism that the Vikings can move into the top three picks to draft him.
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GFAN52 : 4/18/2024 10:16 am : link
In comment 16473387 Darwinian said:
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Either Daniels sees himself in a tight race for the spot and this move by the team only adding to the pressure, or Daniels has been led to believe he's the guy and frustrated at having been put through this after what he's been led to believe.

My guess is the latter.



Based on some digging by people into his agents past likes, it seems like the latter is correct



That would not be my guess. You don't tell someone they are the guy and then publicly do things to contradict the move. I don't think they made Daniels any promises, though maybe he perceived promises were made. And I'm pretty sure going #2 overall is a priority for him, not just because it is a greater achievement and validation and more money, but because Washington is in much better shape than New England.

People shouldn't rule out Maye to Washington. He is a good fit for Kingsbury every bit as much as Daniels is.


Washington is likely going to want their rookie QB to start early in the season, Maye is going to need more development time over Daniels.
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gersh : 4/18/2024 10:17 am : link
In comment 16473351 UConn4523 said:
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I guess I'm more in the 'cry me a river' camp.



Why are you immediately jumping to him crying a river? The guy can be disappointed in Washington while still following through with it and handling himself professionally (seems like that’s the case). Not his fault his opinion leaked and he’s allowed to think it was stupid, I would and seems like everyone else does too.


Didn't it come from his agent?

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UConn4523 : 4/18/2024 10:18 am : link
In comment 16473390 ryanmkeane said:
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Again, almost no one reacted to Big Rick's post about Daniels. The guy is on record saying he's a dick.


What do you want us to say? Any guesses how many top QBs are dicks? Any guesses how many times people misinterpret being confident and assertive with being an asshole? Rick could be correct, or it could be nothing. And if he is correct it doesn’t mean he’s a bad kid or won’t be good.
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UConn4523 : 4/18/2024 10:19 am : link
In comment 16473400 gersh said:
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I guess I'm more in the 'cry me a river' camp.



Why are you immediately jumping to him crying a river? The guy can be disappointed in Washington while still following through with it and handling himself professionally (seems like that’s the case). Not his fault his opinion leaked and he’s allowed to think it was stupid, I would and seems like everyone else does too.



Didn't it come from his agent?


Yeah, which is why this is dumb. The agent can be mad for business reasons and Daniels could be annoyed but ultimately unbothered.
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ajr2456 : 4/18/2024 10:21 am : link
In comment 16473390 ryanmkeane said:
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Again, almost no one reacted to Big Rick's post about Daniels. The guy is on record saying he's a dick.


Everyone has different experiences but I work with several of his teammates and they couldn’t speak higher of him. Rick also refuted your option of Nabers being a diva, and you don’t react.
 
christian : 4/18/2024 10:24 am : link
I knew a number of people in and around baseball during his prime, and Derek Jeter was unanimously from day one thought of as a dick.

A handful of people on this site have had interactions with Michael Strahan, who off camera is famously a dick.

Not being a dick is simply not a prerequisite for success in professional sports.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I can see this in two ways  
Darwinian : 4/18/2024 10:28 am : link
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Either Daniels sees himself in a tight race for the spot and this move by the team only adding to the pressure, or Daniels has been led to believe he's the guy and frustrated at having been put through this after what he's been led to believe.

My guess is the latter.



Based on some digging by people into his agents past likes, it seems like the latter is correct



That would not be my guess. You don't tell someone they are the guy and then publicly do things to contradict the move. I don't think they made Daniels any promises, though maybe he perceived promises were made. And I'm pretty sure going #2 overall is a priority for him, not just because it is a greater achievement and validation and more money, but because Washington is in much better shape than New England.

People shouldn't rule out Maye to Washington. He is a good fit for Kingsbury every bit as much as Daniels is.



Washington is likely going to want their rookie QB to start early in the season, Maye is going to need more development time over Daniels.


you are probably right about that, but when assessing the QBs they are probably going with the guy who has the highest upside and best chance to be elite, and not the one who is ready earlier. If they have a firm conviction that Maye has the higher ceiling and can be one of the best QBs in the game, and they don't feel the same way about Daniels, then Maye is going #2. A lot of people think Maye is a higher end prospect than Daniels, pretty much every analyst I like with the exception of Waldman, but he doesn't love Daniels either. This thinking might rub off on Washington.
You're all here because you're the best of the best ...  
Beezer : 4/18/2024 10:30 am : link
... and we're looking for one of you. Just one.
I picture this kind of situation at the DC facility. Daniels = Will Smith - ( New Window )
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ajr2456 : 4/18/2024 10:31 am : link
In comment 16473419 christian said:
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I knew a number of people in and around baseball during his prime, and Derek Jeter was unanimously from day one thought of as a dick.

A handful of people on this site have had interactions with Michael Strahan, who off camera is famously a dick.

Not being a dick is simply not a prerequisite for success in professional sports.


To contrast, after my father passed away from ALS I went to an ALS fundraiser and Strahan couldn’t have been nicer, willing to sign autographs for anyone. Marino on the other hand refused to sign.

Everyone has different experiences day to day, that goes for regular people too.
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Darwinian : 4/18/2024 10:31 am : link
In comment 16473419 christian said:
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I knew a number of people in and around baseball during his prime, and Derek Jeter was unanimously from day one thought of as a dick.

A handful of people on this site have had interactions with Michael Strahan, who off camera is famously a dick.

Not being a dick is simply not a prerequisite for success in professional sports.


I spent time with a very successful rock and sports photographer around 2000. He covered sports widely but spent most of his time on the West Coast. He said everybody in the game loved Jeter and everybody disliked ARod, this is before ARod joined the Yanks obviously. And that's coming from opposing clubhouses.
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RCPhoenix : 4/18/2024 10:31 am : link
In comment 16473419 christian said:
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I knew a number of people in and around baseball during his prime, and Derek Jeter was unanimously from day one thought of as a dick.

A handful of people on this site have had interactions with Michael Strahan, who off camera is famously a dick.

Not being a dick is simply not a prerequisite for success in professional sports.


Plenty of athletes are jerks. It doesn’t mean anything.
RE: Also,  
RCPhoenix : 4/18/2024 10:32 am : link
In comment 16473358 robbieballs2003 said:
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How come we only heard this from Daniels' camp? What about the other 3? They probably appreciate the opportunity. Daniels sounds like he had the job locked up and didn't. And this may not even be Daniels saying this and just his agent.


The other three don’t have an agenda with the Commanders.
 
christian : 4/18/2024 10:50 am : link
Unsurprisingly, depending on the situation people act differently. And I imagine what some perceive as being dickish, wouldn't be viewed that way by others.

And it has very little impact on performance.

There are probably 3 people on the planet that actually like Michael Jordan for instance. What a dick!
On the other hand Jones  
ajr2456 : 4/18/2024 10:52 am : link
Couldn’t be nicer and that’s proven nothing
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ryanmkeane : 4/18/2024 12:06 pm : link
In comment 16473447 RCPhoenix said:
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I knew a number of people in and around baseball during his prime, and Derek Jeter was unanimously from day one thought of as a dick.

A handful of people on this site have had interactions with Michael Strahan, who off camera is famously a dick.

Not being a dick is simply not a prerequisite for success in professional sports.



Plenty of athletes are jerks. It doesn’t mean anything.

Complete bullshit. When you're the quarterback and face of the franchise, it matters to not be an asshole.
Tom Brady was a dick.  
ajr2456 : 4/18/2024 12:18 pm : link
Rick even said he had experiences with Peyton and he was a dick
 
christian : 4/18/2024 12:34 pm : link
My number one criteria in a franchise quarterback is conspiring with the equipment guys to rip off fans. That's the important shit.
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Darwinian : 4/18/2024 12:39 pm : link
In comment 16473681 ryanmkeane said:
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I knew a number of people in and around baseball during his prime, and Derek Jeter was unanimously from day one thought of as a dick.

A handful of people on this site have had interactions with Michael Strahan, who off camera is famously a dick.

Not being a dick is simply not a prerequisite for success in professional sports.



Plenty of athletes are jerks. It doesn’t mean anything.


Complete bullshit. When you're the quarterback and face of the franchise, it matters to not be an asshole.


Didn't matter for Rodgers. If I have a chance to add a talent like his with all the idiocy that comes with it, sign me up.
"Dick" is a lazy word  
gersh : 4/18/2024 12:54 pm : link
If you are ultra competitive and expect your teammates to work as hard as you - no issue, even with a a non GOAT (Rodgers) - being great covers for personality flaws

And being famous must suck. Being a nasty to teammates matters. Being nasty to a douche who thinks he is entitled to interrupt you to take a photo (at a non charity event)- eh. It must get annoying.


RE: They aren't happy they brought all 4 QBs in?  
santacruzom : 4/18/2024 1:05 pm : link
In comment 16473159 robbieballs2003 said:
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Cry me a fuckin river. What a stupid fuckin thing to be annoyed at.


Counterpoint: what a stupid thing for the Commanders to do.
Let WFT draft him  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/18/2024 4:40 pm : link
Agent may have made this pubic on his own. Prior evaluations would determine how big a deal this is or isn't imv.
RE: Let WFT draft him  
BleedBlue46 : 4/18/2024 7:00 pm : link
In comment 16474233 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Agent may have made this pubic on his own. Prior evaluations would determine how big a deal this is or isn't imv.


Ajr referred to these "reports" wll being based on JD's agent liking a post on Twitter that was critical of the move. Sounds like a bunch of clickbait nonsense to me. WFT is taking Jayden Daniels at 2, end of story.
The purpose of a Top 30  
SleepyOwl : 4/18/2024 9:35 pm : link
Is to get a more in depth look at the player. The player should be the focal point;

why does he like football, favorite play, some teams go as far as going over

certain plays with a player and asking for their thought process. Family, friends,

previous incidents with law enforcement or grades. Favorite television shows,

games, religion etc…. The team is basically gathering as much info as possible

before making what amounts to a 40,000,000 dollar investment.

From a team stand point, having all four prospects in at the same time for the

2nd overall pick is as counterintuitive as it gets. You can’t tell me that they were

able to gather enough information on each guy as they would like in order to

make a well informed investment. I think Daniels and his agent were smart

enough to recognize that and quite frankly it speaks volumes about the way the

Commanders franchise is being ran.
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Fifty Six : 4/19/2024 1:59 am : link
In comment 16473324 christian said:
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Being liked is not on the top 500 most important traits needed to be a successful NFL player.


Being respected and liked is an important quality for a QB imo
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