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Joe Schoen's Pre-Draft Press Conference

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 8:04 am

Thursday, April 18

Approx. 12:00 p.m. – Senior Vice President/General Manager Joe Schoen Pre-Draft Press Conference

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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 12:28 pm : link
Pat Leonard
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I asked Joe Schoen about whether Washington QB Michael Penix Jr. acquitted himself medically, and if Giants are reticent to draft guys with injury histories.

Schoen said luckily, in Monday's medical meeting, the Giants did NOT lose many players off this year's draft board. He also said while he won't go into Penix Jr.'s specifics, how a player RESPONDS to injuries and surgeries is a major indicator, and Penix has been healthy recently
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 12:28 pm : link
GiantsWFAN
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#NYGiants Schoen - if you take a QB very low, the odds are you are hoping to get an inexpensive backup, given the price of their contract
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 12:29 pm : link
GiantsWFAN
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#NYGiants Schoen - it is a "good QB class...i think it is deep"....been fun getting to know these guys, like to do it every year....info can be important down the road
Major reason not to trade away next year's picks  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 12:29 pm : link
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Schoen says they had 170 players on the board that went back to college.
That is an amazing number.
Schoen  
AcidTest : 4/18/2024 12:29 pm : link
said he's impressed with how many games some of these QBs have played. Bo Nix has played more games than any QB in the history of college football IIRC.
if you ask me  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 12:30 pm : link
he didn't give Daniel a ringing endorsement. He parsed his words.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 12:30 pm : link
Ryan Dunleavy
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Joe Schoen said #Giants might be extra wary to stay away from players who are perceived injury risks because of what theyve been through injury-wise in past few years
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 12:30 pm : link
Dan Salomone
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Schoen said it's a good and deep QB class. "It's been really fun" getting to know them. There are only a few people on Earth who can play the position.
RE: RE: Schoen  
AcidTest : 4/18/2024 12:30 pm : link
In comment 16473748 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16473744 AcidTest said:


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just said he's comfortable going into the season with Jones, Lock, and DeVito. Cue the meltdown.



Sure. That's why six quarterbacks have visited.


Yeah, I don't believe it either. And it's what you'd expect him to say. But as JonC frequently says, follow their actions not words.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 12:31 pm : link
GiantsWFAN
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#NYGiants Schoen - it is a "good QB class...i think it is deep"....been fun getting to know these guys, like to do it every year....info can be important down the road
RE: if you ask me  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2024 12:31 pm : link
In comment 16473760 Eric from BBI said:
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he didn't give Daniel a ringing endorsement. He parsed his words.


Jack Stroud won’t take that well.
RE: if you ask me  
ZogZerg : 4/18/2024 12:31 pm : link
In comment 16473760 Eric from BBI said:
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he didn't give Daniel a ringing endorsement. He parsed his words.


Hopefully you are reading that correctly. How could anyone give DJ a ringing endorsement?
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 12:31 pm : link
Dan Salomone
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Schoen is "still confident" in Daniel Jones and how he is wired. "I've got a good relationship with Daniel" and they communicate well.
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Sean : 4/18/2024 12:31 pm : link
"The expectation is for Daniel to be the starter." Based on Schoen's history here, expectations have often not panned out.
ummm.... what did you expect him say?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 12:32 pm : link
Ryan Dunleavy
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#Giants Joe Schoen said ‘it was not true’ that he has buyer’s remorse on Daniel Jones contract extension
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ZogZerg : 4/18/2024 12:32 pm : link
In comment 16473764 Eric from BBI said:
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GiantsWFAN
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#NYGiants Schoen - it is a "good QB class...i think it is deep"....been fun getting to know these guys, like to do it every year....info can be important down the road


This is a great sales pitch for why the Giants spent so much time with the QBs. Actually makes sense also.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 12:32 pm : link
In comment 16473769 Sean said:
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"The expectation is for Daniel to be the starter." Based on Schoen's history here, expectations have often not panned out.



"Kadarius Toney isn't going anywhere."

"Wink Martindale is our defensive coordinator."
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2024 12:33 pm : link
Haha. As if Joe is going to publicly say, ‘Yeah. I fucked up that Jones contract.’
RE: ummm.... what did you expect him say?  
ZogZerg : 4/18/2024 12:33 pm : link
In comment 16473770 Eric from BBI said:
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Ryan Dunleavy
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#Giants Joe Schoen said ‘it was not true’ that he has buyer’s remorse on Daniel Jones contract extension


"I really fucked up that Jones contract...." :)
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 12:36 pm : link
Dan Duggan
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It'll take some time to wade through Schoen's draft-related comments, but quick notes on current players:

• It does not sound like he has any intention of negotiating an extension with Darius Slayton, who is skipping voluntary workouts because he wants a raise.

• Still no word from Darren Waller, who continues to contemplate retirement. Schoen said the team has given no deadline for a decision.
all I'm going to say is  
Dave on the UWS : 4/18/2024 12:36 pm : link
I would really NOT want to play poker with this guy. He could pass a lie detector test!!
As Eric has said, don't listen to the words, pay attention to the actions.
if you've noticed  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 12:36 pm : link
they have used the exact same phrases when asked about Daniel Jones since the season ended. It's scripted.
RE: take note  
AROCK1000 : 4/18/2024 12:37 pm : link
In comment 16473728 Eric from BBI said:
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GiantsWFAN
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#NYGiants Schoen - have gotten a lot of calls from people behind us to trade up to six...in fact, a surprising amount already

come to papa
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2024 12:38 pm : link
I’m still waiting for Darius to be like, ‘I was fooling with you guys.’ I honestly can’t believe he’s holding out. Darius Fucking Slayton…comical.
Well Schoen is probably a good poker player  
Maijay : 4/18/2024 12:39 pm : link
Basically he gave us a lot of GM speak which is good. My take away is he's open to any proposal . I couldn't get a read if next years number one is on the table.
The biggest takeaway from me  
Sean : 4/18/2024 12:39 pm : link
He did not sound concerned about moving future picks based on who could be available. He referenced a lot of players now staying in school based on NIL.
I don't  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 12:41 pm : link
know why fans have said these pre-draft pressers are a waste of time. I got a lot out of this one, and last year's too.
Eric- I noticed that too  
Dave on the UWS : 4/18/2024 12:42 pm : link
It's not only scripted, its memorized. It will be their tact if they are unable to draft a QB (which is possible).
Then he can say "as I've told you guys, the expectation is Daniel will be the starter and we are comfortable with our QB room".
It's a predictable tact.
RE: I don't  
Chris684 : 4/18/2024 12:43 pm : link
In comment 16473805 Eric from BBI said:
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know why fans have said these pre-draft pressers are a waste of time. I got a lot out of this one, and last year's too.


I was unable to listen but what are your highlights? QB in play? Trade down on the table? Trade up possibility starts at 3?
RE: Eric- I noticed that too  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 12:43 pm : link
In comment 16473806 Dave on the UWS said:
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It's not only scripted, its memorized. It will be their tact if they are unable to draft a QB (which is possible).
Then he can say "as I've told you guys, the expectation is Daniel will be the starter and we are comfortable with our QB room".
It's a predictable tact.


The fact that it is the same wording is telling (at least to me).

Kind of reminds me of that scene in Congress in "Lincoln"... "it's a lawyer's dodge!"
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RHPeel : 4/18/2024 12:44 pm : link
In comment 16473805 Eric from BBI said:
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know why fans have said these pre-draft pressers are a waste of time. I got a lot out of this one, and last year's too.


Daboll gives nothing in press conferences, but Schoen is quite informative, albeit measured and careful.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 12:44 pm : link
In comment 16473807 Chris684 said:
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In comment 16473805 Eric from BBI said:


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know why fans have said these pre-draft pressers are a waste of time. I got a lot out of this one, and last year's too.



I was unable to listen but what are your highlights? QB in play? Trade down on the table? Trade up possibility starts at 3?


I'll have the transcript up shortly. Key points are already posted in this thread.
I think  
Sammo85 : 4/18/2024 12:45 pm : link
Giants are taking a QB, but one shouldn't be surprised if it's Nix in an unusual trade down and take a different player (WR), then up from Round 2 scenario.

As for Waller, the fact Giants took hard looks at Sinnott and Theo Johnson has me wondering if they know which way he's leaning already and go there in Rounds 2-4.
What I got out of it...  
George from PA : 4/18/2024 12:52 pm : link
More holes than draft picks

They want the right QB....and willing to trade 2025 picks.

They are well prepared.....and all options are on table.

I came away, feeling the Giants are in good hands
RE: What I got out of it...  
Sean : 4/18/2024 12:54 pm : link
In comment 16473825 George from PA said:
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More holes than draft picks

They want the right QB....and willing to trade 2025 picks.

They are well prepared.....and all options are on table.

I came away, feeling the Giants are in good hands

I get the same sense. I think trade down is a real possibility if they don't go QB.
RE: What I got out of it...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 12:54 pm : link
In comment 16473825 George from PA said:
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More holes than draft picks

They want the right QB....and willing to trade 2025 picks.

They are well prepared.....and all options are on table.

I came away, feeling the Giants are in good hands


Problem is these draft picks they have been selecting need to start performing. Some have, but some haven't (injuries have been a factor too).

I'd feel better if the results to date were better.

They also made a colossal screw up on the Jones/Barkley situations last offseason.
Schoen  
AcidTest : 4/18/2024 12:56 pm : link
said they have had a lot of calls from teams behind them who might want to move up. He seemed surprised by the number of those teams. I wonder if those teams want to move up for one of the "big three" WRs or maybe JJM if the Giants don't want him.
RE: Schoen  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/18/2024 1:00 pm : link
In comment 16473832 AcidTest said:
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said they have had a lot of calls from teams behind them who might want to move up. He seemed surprised by the number of those teams. I wonder if those teams want to move up for one of the "big three" WRs or maybe JJM if the Giants don't want him.


I bet you this is the case, plus possibly Alt.

Dave and I went into detail about this on his podcast so I'm hoping that is posted soon.
RE: Eric- I noticed that too  
igotyourbackman : 4/18/2024 1:09 pm : link
In comment 16473806 Dave on the UWS said:
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It's not only scripted, its memorized. It will be their tact if they are unable to draft a QB (which is possible).
Then he can say "as I've told you guys, the expectation is Daniel will be the starter and we are comfortable with our QB room".
It's a predictable tact.


It may be tactless to point this out, but the word you are looking to employ is “tack.”
RE: RE: Schoen  
AcidTest : 4/18/2024 1:10 pm : link
In comment 16473840 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16473832 AcidTest said:


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said they have had a lot of calls from teams behind them who might want to move up. He seemed surprised by the number of those teams. I wonder if those teams want to move up for one of the "big three" WRs or maybe JJM if the Giants don't want him.



I bet you this is the case, plus possibly Alt.

Dave and I went into detail about this on his podcast so I'm hoping that is posted soon.


Yes, Alt as well.
If they like someone like Nix more than  
LW_Giants : 4/18/2024 1:18 pm : link
people think, then a trade down a few spots makes a ton of sense.
The script on Jones hasn’t changed  
kevken60 : 4/18/2024 1:25 pm : link
But I noted Joe said they hope there are no setbacks. A couple times.
For some reason I keep seeing an asterisk, probably just dirt on my glasses.
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ryanmkeane : 4/18/2024 1:26 pm : link
Schoen is great in these pressers.
Eric,I feel Neal is only draftee that is "under performing ". On fiel  
George from PA : 4/18/2024 1:28 pm : link
Robinson injury....but when he played shined.

I am not sure a rookie center....with that OL around him...had any hope.

The OL coach did not have the OL ready for prime time.

Hyatt type of routes were not an option...we can blame the QB.....but that OL was historically bad.

I think the defense is close

And the punter stepped up....hopefully kicker gets healthy.
Body language  
Archer : 4/18/2024 1:30 pm : link
I have been told by pro poker players that there are tells when someone is either being deceitful, misleading, or not truthful.

For the most part, Schoen was very forthright.
This makes it easier to read the tells.

A major tell is if someone touches their face or mouth.
Another is if the person raises their eyebrows.

You can look back at the conference and come to your conclusions.

When talking about Jones he was not being forthright.
He reacted when responding that the plan is for DJ to be starting at the beginning of the season.

He reacted when he was talking about players being eliminated for medical reasons. Suggesting that there are concerns about the medical recommendations.

But if you notice he touches his face when asked about JJ moving up the draft. Don't know what to make of it. But it may mean that JJ is not moving up in the Giant's estimation.

I am not certain of the meaning but there was some significant deception there.

He also reacts when saying that the college QBs played extensively and were impressive. I do not know if he is suggesting that the QB play was less impressive than it appeared.

Finally, he was forthright when talking about DJ at the end.
There was no ambiguity.
RE: The script on Jones hasn’t changed  
RCPhoenix : 4/18/2024 2:24 pm : link
In comment 16473894 kevken60 said:
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But I noted Joe said they hope there are no setbacks. A couple times.
For some reason I keep seeing an asterisk, probably just dirt on my glasses.


I still think Jones is not ready at the beginning of camp and starts the season on the PUP. 'Running in a straight line'? That doesn't really sound like a ringing endorsement.

I take away from his comments that teams behind the Giants have Nabers & Odunze ranked very, very highly on their draft boards (assuming there is no way MHjr makes it to #6).
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Johnny5 : 4/18/2024 2:46 pm : link
In comment 16473178 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I’d love if someone asked him about Jones playing this fall in light of that injury clause.

But why would they do that the week before the draft? One that they enter with so many questions about QB, in a draft that's (allegedly) a strong draft for QB, and one that they have been very tight lipped about to date? The only people that benefits are fans who want to know what direction they are going... lol
RE: Body language  
Mike from Ohio : 4/18/2024 3:42 pm : link
In comment 16473904 Archer said:
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I have been told by pro poker players that there are tells when someone is either being deceitful, misleading, or not truthful.

For the most part, Schoen was very forthright.
This makes it easier to read the tells.

A major tell is if someone touches their face or mouth.
Another is if the person raises their eyebrows.

You can look back at the conference and come to your conclusions.

When talking about Jones he was not being forthright.
He reacted when responding that the plan is for DJ to be starting at the beginning of the season.

He reacted when he was talking about players being eliminated for medical reasons. Suggesting that there are concerns about the medical recommendations.

But if you notice he touches his face when asked about JJ moving up the draft. Don't know what to make of it. But it may mean that JJ is not moving up in the Giant's estimation.

I am not certain of the meaning but there was some significant deception there.

He also reacts when saying that the college QBs played extensively and were impressive. I do not know if he is suggesting that the QB play was less impressive than it appeared.

Finally, he was forthright when talking about DJ at the end.
There was no ambiguity.


I noticed this too. When he said he was comfortable going into the season with Jones, Lock and DeVito, he noticeably tensed up, started juggling his arms, and lost the smile that was there for much of the other responses. It was very noticeable to me. He did not like answering that question.
RE: Major reason not to trade away next year's picks  
Spider56 : 4/18/2024 4:25 pm : link
In comment 16473756 Eric from BBI said:
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The Giant Insider Podcast and Newspaper
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Schoen says they had 170 players on the board that went back to college.
That is an amazing number.


So that means they already have grades (albeit written in pencil) on 170 guys for next year…another reason to not mortgage the future with a trade up.
RE: RE: Major reason not to trade away next year's picks  
Toth029 : 4/18/2024 8:16 pm : link
In comment 16474196 Spider56 said:
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In comment 16473756 Eric from BBI said:


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The Giant Insider Podcast and Newspaper
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Schoen says they had 170 players on the board that went back to college.
That is an amazing number.



So that means they already have grades (albeit written in pencil) on 170 guys for next year…another reason to not mortgage the future with a trade up.


Great response to not trade any premium assets for next year unless it's a QB above 6. Trading up in the 2nd makes no sense to me.

Next draft class is supposedly very good for defense, pass rushers and corners notably. Premium positions.
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