The mistake the Giants made was buying in to the team that made the playoffs and beat the Minnesota Vikings in 2022. That group was a product of positive variance, and the underlying strength of the team was always much worse than that. . . .
This is a team that needs to rebuild, and they need more than just a change at quarterback. New York currently sits with only six draft picks in this draft, and while the quarterback frenzy may have passed by the time No. 6 overall rolls around, there may well be teams that want to trade up for a receiver or the top tackle on the board — particularly as the Tennessee Titans one spot later are extremely likely to draft that tackle if they don’t.
The Giants could go in many directions, but the smartest thing they could do is trade back and try to fix this roster with more swings at bat.
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Just look at our last trade down. We could've stayed put and selected Micah Parsons or Rashawn Slater. Instead we move down to 20 and drafted a guy who got traded in less than 2 years. Even if we took a different player the trade down still wasn't worth it. Here are the guys that went immediately after our pick. None of these dudes even come close to Parsons.
Kwity Paye
Caleb Farley
Darrisaw
Najee Harris
Etienne
Greg Newsome
Rashod Bateman
Payton Turner
Eric Stokes
Greg Rousseau
swap picks with them so that they take Alt.
The Giants can still select the WR they want.
Just look at our last trade down. We could've stayed put and selected Micah Parsons or Rashawn Slater. Instead we move down to 20 and drafted a guy who got traded in less than 2 years. Even if we took a different player the trade down still wasn't worth it. Here are the guys that went immediately after our pick. None of these dudes even come close to Parsons.
Kwity Paye
Caleb Farley
Darrisaw
Najee Harris
Etienne
Greg Newsome
Rashod Bateman
Payton Turner
Eric Stokes
Greg Rousseau
Trading down from 12 to 20 is different than, say, 6 to 11. It all depends on your board.
Right now I see a lot of top-end talent in this draft and the Giants have a bunch of needs. I'm open to trading down.
Great plan. Let's fill all those holes with lesser players instead of building around a higher-value player.
The NFL draft is about planning for long-term success, not filling holes in the short term.
Great plan. Let's fill all those holes with lesser players instead of building around a higher-value player.
The NFL draft is about planning for long-term success, not filling holes in the short term.
Completely agree!
Just look at our last trade down. We could've stayed put and selected Micah Parsons or Rashawn Slater. Instead we move down to 20 and drafted a guy who got traded in less than 2 years. Even if we took a different player the trade down still wasn't worth it. Here are the guys that went immediately after our pick. None of these dudes even come close to Parsons.
Kwity Paye
Caleb Farley
Darrisaw
Najee Harris
Etienne
Greg Newsome
Rashod Bateman
Payton Turner
Eric Stokes
Greg Rousseau
Not disagreeing completely but Darrisaw is a stud and so is Newsome. That’s only 2 but still
Great plan. Let's fill all those holes with lesser players instead of building around a higher-value player.
The NFL draft is about planning for long-term success, not filling holes in the short term.
Personally I see the draft like a "scratch off" lottery. You need to make $X in order to achieve a profit and the higher the pick number the greater the chance for an individual player to get you to your goal. If you trade down you spread out the risk among more players, but you run the risk that any one individual player may not be enough to save your draft. I remember about a decade ago the Dallas Cowboys had a draft where they had something like 12 picks from Round 3 on and none earned a second contract and none ended up as more than special teams players.
Great plan. Let's fill all those holes with lesser players instead of building around a higher-value player.
The NFL draft is about planning for long-term success, not filling holes in the short term.
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WR has one of the highest bust-rates of any position groups in Round 1.
I expect someone will fall in love with Alt or one of the 3 'sure-bet' WRs and over pay so that we still have a mid-round first to grab a promising WR, CB or OL and gain some more top 100 picks.
I'll take quality over quantity at that spot.
That’s where I fall as well. Any trade down without 2025 draft capital is too risky for me.
Great plan. Let's fill all those holes with lesser players instead of building around a higher-value player.
The NFL draft is about planning for long-term success, not filling holes in the short term.
Except you can still get top-notch talent at need positions on both lines by trading down. So I don't agree with your premise that you are "settling."
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who always want to trade down because after all... the team has "so many holes" we need to fill them all this year!!
Great plan. Let's fill all those holes with lesser players instead of building around a higher-value player.
The NFL draft is about planning for long-term success, not filling holes in the short term.
Except you can still get top-notch talent at need positions on both lines by trading down. So I don't agree with your premise that you are "settling."
You don't have to agree, but it's a fact that a team is LESS likely, (certainly not MORE likely) to "get top-notch talent" when they trade down. So you're not "settling" in all cases, but you are in the majority of cases.
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who always want to trade down because after all... the team has "so many holes" we need to fill them all this year!!
Great plan. Let's fill all those holes with lesser players instead of building around a higher-value player.
The NFL draft is about planning for long-term success, not filling holes in the short term.
Except you can still get top-notch talent at need positions on both lines by trading down. So I don't agree with your premise that you are "settling."
You don't have to agree, but it's a fact that a team is LESS likely, (certainly not MORE likely) to "get top-notch talent" when they trade down. So you're not "settling" in all cases, but you are in the majority of cases.
Your opinion of "top-notch talent" is very subjective just as is all of us. There has been elite WR's taken in rd 2 and beyond. SO get the QB in rd 1 is also a way to look at it beucase the QB in rd 1 has very good talent more than likely if Giants think so.
As Schoen said, the team is not one pick away.
I'd love to get one of the WRs and would be fine with one, but trading down given the state of the roster makes a ton of sense.
The Giants also have to maneuver to get the QB. We don't have one.
As Schoen said, the team is not one pick away.
I'd love to get one of the WRs and would be fine with one, but trading down given the state of the roster makes a ton of sense.
The Giants also have to maneuver to get the QB. We don't have one.
If we can't get Maye or JJM for a reasonable cost, this is the best move imo. Ideally to me we would trade down and get Penix plus picks.
@art_stapleton
Here's one way I could get on board with the #NYGiants moving back from No. 6:
Do what many have suggested Arizona do: trade out of No. 4, only to try and immediately trade back up.
If Giants were to trade back from No. 6, maybe Schoen can take an asset and move back up for same player he was eyeing at 6.
@art_stapleton
You want to trade with Vikings for 11, 23 and a 2025 pick? Or, hell, with Denver if No. 12 and Patrick Surtain is somehow on the table?
First, if you decide you don't like the QB on the board: make the deal. Then turn right around and use a 2025 pick (and 11/12) to move up to 8 or 9 if Odunze or Nabers slides.
The one thing about Schoen: I don't believe he's afraid to make deals and be aggressive on the clock.
Then who is your blue chip? What if Daniels, Maye, Harrison, and Nabers are off the board?
In your scenario, doesn't that suggest trading down would be better if you don't like Odunze?