While my preference is QB at 6, the Giants need a Defensive identity. If we have a favorable trade down scenario, acquiring draft capital for next years QB options while acquiring the best 3 tech DT, this is my preferred route. I'd love to see third and long with Thibs, Burns, Dex and Byron Murphy relentlessly getting after the opposing QB. Thoughts?
1st RD....either a top QB and a #1 WR.
It's not only a matter of time of possession, field position and points - a horrible offense will demoralize the entire team. The offensive skill positions must be addressed.
The guy that I know Sy loved prior to the college season was Leonard Taylor from the U. I believe he'll be avaiable in the third round or later. Also his last name gets me excited :)
Well obviously you also get more picks this year and/or next year in order to do this deal.
The argument for trading down is you have to maneuver for a QB or acquire draft capital for next year's QB class.
Goal #1 is the team needs a QB.
The extra picks you spend on other positions. I would argue DT is a major need on this team.
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If you go into the draft with the 6th overall pick and you end up with Byron Murphy that's an absolute disaster
Well obviously you also get more picks this year and/or next year in order to do this deal.
The argument for trading down is you have to maneuver for a QB or acquire draft capital for next year's QB class.
Goal #1 is the team needs a QB.
The extra picks you spend on other positions. I would argue DT is a major need on this team.
I like the idea of adding talent while adding assets to move up to get your QB next year, but we were a few plays from picking in the low teens so you have to be nervous about trading down because an extra 2nd and/or 3rd is not going to be enough to get a top QB next year from say pick 15.
Minny has 11 AND 23 and may not get their guy. What if next years class is basically Baker and Darnold? This draft has 3 good prospects and we're at 6. Very risky passing on that opportunity.
1--- Next year there are probably 2 Quality Qb's to draft in rd 1 instead of 6. We've all heard the draft is weak.
2--- The Giants are going to trade down which means they aren't going to get a lot of draft capital if one of the picks is later in rd 1. Unless the plan is to be a 3-win team next year, if you don't have a QB, and you bypass rd 1 on WR too with not much at rb then how can anyone think this won't be a pathetic team? You think the owner will sign off on this? Over the years the Giants have had many chances to throw football games like Philly has done and the degree to which Wash just did, instead they put wins together in Dec.
There is no way no way no way is he/ has he sent a message to this staff that he would accept a team so devoid of a combo of QB/WR and RB.
3-- SO if you take the DT/DE in rd 1 then either you follow up with some prized type of talent after taking the DL. Which means less available to trade for a QB in 2025 because of the badly needed offensive skill for this year.
4-- The schedule is probably going to be lousy this year which means more wins which means farther away from the top spots. .
Add this all up-- there is way too much risk/lack of plausibility.
1--- Next year there are probably 2 Quality Qb's to draft in rd 1 instead of 6. We've all heard the draft is weak.
2--- The Giants are going to trade down which means they aren't going to get a lot of draft capital if one of the picks is later in rd 1. Unless the plan is to be a 3-win team next year, if you don't have a QB, and you bypass rd 1 on WR too with not much at rb then how can anyone think this won't be a pathetic team? You think the owner will sign off on this? Over the years the Giants have had many chances to throw football games like Philly has done and the degree to which Wash just did, instead they put wins together in Dec.
There is no way no way no way is he/ has he sent a message to this staff that he would accept a team so devoid of a combo of QB/WR and RB.
3-- SO if you take the DT/DE in rd 1 then either you follow up with some prized type of talent after taking the DL. Which means less available to trade for a QB in 2025 because of the badly needed offensive skill for this year.
4-- The schedule is probably going to be lousy this year which means more wins which means farther away from the top spots. .
Add this all up-- there is way too much risk/lack of plausibility.
No one is ignoring anything.
You're ignoring that four QBs will likely to before the Giants pick.
1--- Next year there are probably 2 Quality Qb's to draft in rd 1 instead of 6. We've all heard the draft is weak.
2--- The Giants are going to trade down which means they aren't going to get a lot of draft capital if one of the picks is later in rd 1. Unless the plan is to be a 3-win team next year, if you don't have a QB, and you bypass rd 1 on WR too with not much at rb then how can anyone think this won't be a pathetic team? You think the owner will sign off on this? Over the years the Giants have had many chances to throw football games like Philly has done and the degree to which Wash just did, instead they put wins together in Dec.
There is no way no way no way is he/ has he sent a message to this staff that he would accept a team so devoid of a combo of QB/WR and RB.
3-- SO if you take the DT/DE in rd 1 then either you follow up with some prized type of talent after taking the DL. Which means less available to trade for a QB in 2025 because of the badly needed offensive skill for this year.
4-- The schedule is probably going to be lousy this year which means more wins which means farther away from the top spots. .
Add this all up-- there is way too much risk/lack of plausibility.
I want a qb more than anyone and I think this is the year to try and get one by trading up. But it doesn’t look like the giants share that view and/or are being rebuffed by the teams before us, so we may have to punt and try again next year. If they do that then trading down and beefing up the lines is the best possible outcome
I always find this take a little strange. This team was a middle of the pack offense with substantially worse talent in 2022. Doesn't mean they won't be awful in 2024. But I would take 2024s projected starting line up over 2022s by a substantial margin.
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1--- Next year there are probably 2 Quality Qb's to draft in rd 1 instead of 6. We've all heard the draft is weak.
2--- The Giants are going to trade down which means they aren't going to get a lot of draft capital if one of the picks is later in rd 1. Unless the plan is to be a 3-win team next year, if you don't have a QB, and you bypass rd 1 on WR too with not much at rb then how can anyone think this won't be a pathetic team? You think the owner will sign off on this? Over the years the Giants have had many chances to throw football games like Philly has done and the degree to which Wash just did, instead they put wins together in Dec.
There is no way no way no way is he/ has he sent a message to this staff that he would accept a team so devoid of a combo of QB/WR and RB.
3-- SO if you take the DT/DE in rd 1 then either you follow up with some prized type of talent after taking the DL. Which means less available to trade for a QB in 2025 because of the badly needed offensive skill for this year.
4-- The schedule is probably going to be lousy this year which means more wins which means farther away from the top spots. .
Add this all up-- there is way too much risk/lack of plausibility.
No one is ignoring anything.
You're ignoring that four QBs will likely to before the Giants pick.
No I don't agree.
Sure some are ignoring it. But how can you say I'm ignoring that 4 QB's are being taken when my post is acknowledging if the Giants do what the OP intends (he says - draft capital for 2025)? That's the reason why I mentioned 2025 and identifying/implying it as a "risk."
If the Giants do what the OP intends, you really think you are going to get a prime QB in 2025 unless they go for a complete tank? And they never do that.
And didn't you say a while back that the Staff needs to provide a sense of hope for this upcoming season? I am 100% with you on the excitement of a great defense which could be fun (I can see adding that DL as you suggest turning this defense into potentially something special)-- but most fans are not following as we do; as a result no offense will kill any hope.
The move the OP is implying would be a total punt for a QB in 2024 (because he said go for QB next year), and then at best the giants get a 2nd rd WR while Barkley being gone. Do you really believe that the Giants aren't going to want a star to lead this season to some degree from any of teh 3 skilled spots? While the #2 WR couldwind up ot be super, overall it doesn't cut it leading up to the season and especially with a year 1 subpar QB.
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1--- Next year there are probably 2 Quality Qb's to draft in rd 1 instead of 6. We've all heard the draft is weak.
2--- The Giants are going to trade down which means they aren't going to get a lot of draft capital if one of the picks is later in rd 1. Unless the plan is to be a 3-win team next year, if you don't have a QB, and you bypass rd 1 on WR too with not much at rb then how can anyone think this won't be a pathetic team? You think the owner will sign off on this? Over the years the Giants have had many chances to throw football games like Philly has done and the degree to which Wash just did, instead they put wins together in Dec.
There is no way no way no way is he/ has he sent a message to this staff that he would accept a team so devoid of a combo of QB/WR and RB.
3-- SO if you take the DT/DE in rd 1 then either you follow up with some prized type of talent after taking the DL. Which means less available to trade for a QB in 2025 because of the badly needed offensive skill for this year.
4-- The schedule is probably going to be lousy this year which means more wins which means farther away from the top spots. .
Add this all up-- there is way too much risk/lack of plausibility.
I want a qb more than anyone and I think this is the year to try and get one by trading up. But it doesn’t look like the giants share that view and/or are being rebuffed by the teams before us, so we may have to punt and try again next year. If they do that then trading down and beefing up the lines is the best possible outcome
So how many wins do you expect and how cool will it be for any type of Giants fan to watch Jones/Lock at QB, Singletary (and as you say trenches is important so you aren't getting a big name RB), and at best you are selecting a 2nd rd WR?
You are saving draft capital for 2025 so you don't have much to improve your offense for this upcoming season.
I would be okay with tanking - I just would realize after the 1st few weeks they are going to get booed a lot and many, many fans will eventually do other things and wait until 2025. And I believe the owner knows this. Building a great Defense like the old days would be so much fun to watch – But a God-awful Offense will eventually wear on you as a fan and eventually wear on the Defense.
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but the offense is going to be the worst in the league by a wide margin if they make minimal improvements. It sucks that they played themselves outof being assured for a QB, but given that there are 3 blue chip WRs available, they should take that as a consolation prize. They would need to be blown away to move down. Preferably a 2025 first round picks from a team that isn't a sure fire playoff team in 2024.
I always find this take a little strange. This team was a middle of the pack offense with substantially worse talent in 2022. Doesn't mean they won't be awful in 2024. But I would take 2024s projected starting line up over 2022s by a substantial margin.
The QB played well that year.
The coach was a bit of a surprise that year.
The team won a lot of very close games.
If you don't take the WR early and go with defense then looking at this team with the current group of QB's and RB's -why should there be a belief that the Offense will be at least the same when the most important position in the NFL is the QB and at best you would be getting a 2nd rd WR?
The OP stated up top right from the get go he wants to take a DL in rd 1. Further he said to stock up with picks to get a QB in 2025. And yet you believe the Giants Offense could be equal to 2022 without a better QB that they had in 2022, without a better RB, and a 2nd rd WR as their lead player?
But the OP is saying "wait untl next year." It appears he has dismissed Penix and Nix. If this gettign one of Penixor Nix is his suggestion I'm okay with his outlook.