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business case for taking the alpha WR and not trade down

NJBlueTuna : 4/18/2024 2:46 pm
Was just reading Sy’s report on the CB prospects(great as usual) and he feels a trade down is a bit more than possible—moreso than I do. This of course assumes the giants do not trade up for a QB, do not want the QB that drops to them and more importantly, does NOT want one of the 3 alpha/elite WRs.

I do not think think passing on a stud WR is likely under the above scenario, even though there are so many roster holes to fill. And this will be because of ownership….not the GM. With the non-signing of Barkley, this offense has absolutely no identity, no face. Jones, even if he comes back and performs well, will need at least a year to win himself back. The current WR Corp is useless and can’t unlock its very real potential in Wan’Dale and Hyatt without a true #1. The offense will be boring and vanilla. The franchise needs a new exciting playing elite talent to be the face during the rebuilding. To provide even false hope and drum up sales. These 3 WRs are, on talent alone, undeniable elite prospects where any other year each of them could have been a top 3 pick in the draft and the 1st wr off the board. I just can’t see Mara passing on replacing what he lost with Barkley from a fan offense perspective.

Just my .02
What gives me pause  
Will Shine : 4/18/2024 2:52 pm : link
and much to my surprise—is I read an article which showed that WRs is the position group that has a high rate of first round busts.
This is a terrible reason to make a draft pick  
LW_Giants : 4/18/2024 2:52 pm : link
but you could be right. Decisions shouldn't be made based on who will bring attention/money, but based on who will set the franchise up for winning.
I find it very interesting that there are 3 top blue chip WR  
Rjanyg : 4/18/2024 3:00 pm : link
and nobody is arguing about it. It is almost consensus.

MHJ, Nabers and Odunze are ranks 1,2,3 for the most part except for Chris Simms who has Nabers, Thomas, MHJ. Odunze 1-4.

Grabbing a WR will improve our WR room and our offense for sure. I don't think anybody will argue that . The problem is, if a QB is there at 6 or JS can swing a trade up, you have to go get him. It is not often a team is or wants to be selecting in the top 6 of the draft. It will cost less to move up or grab the QB now.

The WR position is deep in this draft and we actually have a decent group.

You can always trade for the true X ( Aiyuk ).

Business case for trade down :  
giantstock : 4/18/2024 3:52 pm : link
Trade down and gat a Qb along with another or other picks in which you can ALSO get a quality WR which is probably a better business case long term.

IMO it gets short-sighted a bit to bypass a WR if you could ahve had a him if you valeu him as real good vs the WR.



this is the same rationale that led to the Barkley pick  
Darwinian : 4/18/2024 4:00 pm : link
we can add an alpha wr but until we have a new QB we're just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
RE: What gives me pause  
darren in pdx : 4/18/2024 4:09 pm : link
In comment 16474075 Will Shine said:
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and much to my surprise—is I read an article which showed that WRs is the position group that has a high rate of first round busts.


I've said this before, the top 3 WRs are not the guarenteed to be sure things that everyone is acting like they are.
The sad confused overwhelmed face of Daniel Jones  
averagejoe : 4/18/2024 4:12 pm : link
is the face of this franchise. The face that players and coaches from other teams snicker and laugh about. The face that will never throw downfield to any stud WR the Giants draft .
Trade down just a few  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 4/18/2024 4:15 pm : link
Spots and still get a stud WR. Can get a great RB with the extra 2nd.
Interesting to me how willing people are to re-live  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/18/2024 4:16 pm : link
2014 to 2018.
I would love them to  
Shirk130 : 4/18/2024 4:19 pm : link
concentrate on the trenches if they can't get the QB.
RE: RE: What gives me pause  
Bruner4329 : 4/18/2024 4:25 pm : link
In comment 16474170 darren in pdx said:
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In comment 16474075 Will Shine said:


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and much to my surprise—is I read an article which showed that WRs is the position group that has a high rate of first round busts.



I've said this before, the top 3 WRs are not the guarenteed to be sure things that everyone is acting like they are.


Yeah and neither are the top 4 QBs that some want to mortgage the future to move up to get. You can use that line for a lot of prospects.
RE: this is the same rationale that led to the Barkley pick  
Bruner4329 : 4/18/2024 4:28 pm : link
In comment 16474161 Darwinian said:
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we can add an alpha wr but until we have a new QB we're just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.


I love how people forget that since OBJ and Cruz how often have we seen the fact that our WRs can't get any separation and thus there is no one to throw to. The concept that a QB can come here and somehow all of a sudden these WRs get open is naive. Fact is you need both a good QB and WR combo to be successful
RE: this is the same rationale that led to the Barkley pick  
NJBlueTuna : 4/18/2024 4:32 pm : link
In comment 16474161 Darwinian said:
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we can add an alpha wr but until we have a new QB we're just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.


I am not saying this should happen, just to brace for it.

Separately, what’s hilarious is if we don’t take one of the stud 3 wrs you and the others in this thread will be complaining and crying about it.
RE: RE: this is the same rationale that led to the Barkley pick  
NJBlueTuna : 4/18/2024 4:33 pm : link
In comment 16474202 Bruner4329 said:
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In comment 16474161 Darwinian said:


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we can add an alpha wr but until we have a new QB we're just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.



I love how people forget that since OBJ and Cruz how often have we seen the fact that our WRs can't get any separation and thus there is no one to throw to. The concept that a QB can come here and somehow all of a sudden these WRs get open is naive. Fact is you need both a good QB and WR combo to be successful


This makes too much sense and you will likely be persecuted for the sound logic.
RE: RE: this is the same rationale that led to the Barkley pick  
giantstock : 4/18/2024 5:23 pm : link
In comment 16474202 Bruner4329 said:
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In comment 16474161 Darwinian said:


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we can add an alpha wr but until we have a new QB we're just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.



I love how people forget that since OBJ and Cruz how often have we seen the fact that our WRs can't get any separation and thus there is no one to throw to. The concept that a QB can come here and somehow all of a sudden these WRs get open is naive. Fact is you need both a good QB and WR combo to be successful


Please expalin which is eaiser to get -- the quality QB or WR?
RE: RE: RE: this is the same rationale that led to the Barkley pick  
giantstock : 4/18/2024 5:25 pm : link
In comment 16474215 NJBlueTuna said:
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In comment 16474202 Bruner4329 said:


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In comment 16474161 Darwinian said:


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we can add an alpha wr but until we have a new QB we're just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.



I love how people forget that since OBJ and Cruz how often have we seen the fact that our WRs can't get any separation and thus there is no one to throw to. The concept that a QB can come here and somehow all of a sudden these WRs get open is naive. Fact is you need both a good QB and WR combo to be successful



This makes too much sense and you will likely be persecuted for the sound logic.


More like being persecuted for being illogical?
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