He says most of the people he talks to say there is a significant gap between Harrison/Nabers and Odunze.
Says he thinks the most serious teams to trade up for the QB are the Vikings and Giants.
Thinks if the Giants don't land Maye or McCarthy, they want Nabers.
For Giants to trade up from #6 to #4, he thinks the Giants will have to trade next year's #1 and maybe a pick swap in this draft.
Credit to Eric on Li for finding this interview.
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Giants are in a desperate position.
They don't have a QB.
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Absurd notion that the Giants would trade a future 1st round pick to move up 2 spots in the draft, moving from 6 to 4.
Giants are in a desperate position.
They don't have a QB.
Right. And that has nothing to do with trade value in any draft. No team would give up a 1st round pick to move up two spots, especially if it’s not for the #1 overall pick.
That's the cost. That's why I don't think the Vikings have the ammo to jump the Giants.
Arizona can trade down and then trade back up to #5. They have done this before. And they have a ton of picks.
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Absurd notion that the Giants would trade a future 1st round pick to move up 2 spots in the draft, moving from 6 to 4.
Giants are in a desperate position.
They don't have a QB.
Right. And that has nothing to do with trade value in any draft. No team would give up a 1st round pick to move up two spots, especially if it’s not for the #1 overall pick.
If JJM goes 3 and they are truly enamored with Maye then im sure Schoen would do that. He would be trading less to AZ to get his guy than he would to NE. He's likely already offered pick 6 2025 1st and some in negotiations with NE for Maye.
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Absurd notion that the Giants would trade a future 1st round pick to move up 2 spots in the draft, moving from 6 to 4.
That's the cost. That's why I don't think the Vikings have the ammo to jump the Giants.
I don't think that is the cost. That may be the asking price but nobody should be that stupid to pay it.
But if you want Maye or McCarthy, there is a good chance you are going to have to give up next year's #1.
If not, the Giants don't get a QB in this draft because Penix and Nix are probably going in the 1st round after you pick.
So in this scenario, Lock still is your QB1 in 2024.
Heavily discussed here for months.
Immaterial at this point. He's going in the top 6.
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Absurd notion that the Giants would trade a future 1st round pick to move up 2 spots in the draft, moving from 6 to 4.
Giants are in a desperate position.
They don't have a QB.
They are not THAT desperate; they can get a QB at 6 - Penix and Nix They can even probably trade a bit back and still get them. Both are better than Jones.
So in this scenario, Lock still is your QB1 in 2024.
Maye, I agree, McCarthy, I'd be ok with him starting because he's more pro ready.
I hope to god the Odunze thing is true for giants. Do not see a #1 NFL WR there. Yes, I know that's a dangerous opinion to have here but remember so many of these "safe" prospects are going to bust. Evan Neal, ahem.
Yes you give up the 1st rounder but at least get some draft capital back.
I think AZ would accept that.
Too steep of a fall. And they would need much more than #11 and #23.
Yes you give up the 1st rounder but at least get some draft capital back.
I think AZ would accept that.
As posted above, Albright mentioned a pick swap.
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I don't see them trading down with anyone unless it's us. Murray has 111.5 million guaranteed still on his deal. He is curtailed only in 2026 and it's still 20 million in dead cap then. He finished the year strong and has never had an elite wr. I think Nabers would pair much better with Murray's skillset than MHJ, I'd wager to bet AZ has them rated extremely close with Nabers maybe even rated higher than MHJ. They are not trading down past 6 if you ask me. They need a wr more than any team in the league and there are 2-3 absolutely elite wr prospects (likely 2 they have targeted together).
Arizona can trade down and then trade back up to #5. They have done this before. And they have a ton of picks.
That's true, I'm not sure they would net much then though vs trading with us and not trading back up they would get much less I'd imagine?
THIS... we get two picks in the top 7 for the first time in franchise history and there are no QBs!!!!
And this year??? Four may go in a row?
You have to be kidding me.
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If NYG needs to fork over 6 and 2025 first, JS should try to get a pick in return, say 2025 2nd or 3rd round pick?
Yes you give up the 1st rounder but at least get some draft capital back.
I think AZ would accept that.
As posted above, Albright mentioned a pick swap.
I thought you meant NYG would have to give an extra pick. Gotcha!
if i were the giants, unless i loved whoever QB4 is like they were next year's 1st overall pick, i think i'd sit tight with fair offers on the table to AZ and LAC and hope at the end of the day they fall in love with someone they would lose by going past #6 (nabers, alt, whoever). most of the charts have fair offers being a day 2 pick, so i dont think id go beyond a day 2 pick this year and next year for #4 and just 1 pick for #5.
Say the Giants give up next year's first round pick, BUT Maye is the guy that turns this offense and team around.
Is it not then worth it to give up that pick?! Of course it is.
Also, the Giants gave up their the following year's first round pick to draft Eli. That didn't stop them from still having an excellent draft that year (2005). They were still able to draft Justin Tuck and Brandon Jacobs despite not having a first round pick. So, you could still have a good draft without a first round pick.
If that's the cost to draft Maye; I'd do it. I'm tired of the losing. It's been 12 years!
if i were the giants, unless i loved whoever QB4 is like they were next year's 1st overall pick, i think i'd sit tight with fair offers on the table to AZ and LAC and hope at the end of the day they fall in love with someone they would lose by going past #6 (nabers, alt, whoever). most of the charts have fair offers being a day 2 pick, so i dont think id go beyond a day 2 pick this year and next year for #4 and just 1 pick for #5.
Obviously, the ideal scenario is for Maye or McCarthy to somehow fall to #6.
Could it happen? Yes.
Is it likely? Dubious.
If you pass on the QB at #6, you take the WR or trade down.
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Absurd notion that the Giants would trade a future 1st round pick to move up 2 spots in the draft, moving from 6 to 4.
Giants are in a desperate position.
They don't have a QB.
Right. And that has nothing to do with trade value in any draft. No team would give up a 1st round pick to move up two spots, especially if it’s not for the #1 overall pick.
If the same QB is there at 4 as he tried to trade for at 3, then he would be willing to trade the same package for 4 as 3. How is that hard to understand?
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to warrant trading a future first for, that will likely be a top 10 pick ?
Heavily discussed here for months.
Immaterial at this point. He's going in the top 6.
Eric if he does (and before us) guarantees MHJR or Nabers. Not a bad consolation. I think it helps the giants if he goes before us. If someone else grabs a receiver a top 3 qb could just fall into our laps.
I hope this is smoke.
Moving from #6 to #3, or even #6 to #4, will absolutely have to include our #1 next year. Arizona has all the levarage. Nobody knows how they have the WRs ranked. They may have MHJ way ahead of Nabers and Odunze.
I hope this is smoke.
LOL... ummm, I don't think the Bills are going to trade Allen.
Maybe KC will send us Mahomes.
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seems absurd. Id rather trade three 1s for an established QB like Allen.
I hope this is smoke.
LOL... ummm, I don't think the Bills are going to trade Allen.
Maybe KC will send us Mahomes.
the return was good but he also gave up will anderson who won DROY and went to pro bowl. they moved up for paris johnson and he appears to be a solid starting OT but for that to end up worth they need to hit on the 27th pick this year.
The issue here is we don't have a QB.
We've got to get one this year or next year.
Totally, but that was from 3 to 12 then 12 to 6, going from 4 to 11 then back to 5 would likely not net you more than trading down to 6 if it was for Maye then I presume Schoen would trade them 2025 1st and 2nd perhaps. If it's for JJM, then forget about it Schoen is unlikely to even think about it.
If they really want Maye though, then there best chance is to go to 3 with NE having a deal ready to go back up to 4 for JJM. I don't think Min would trade nearly as much for JJM as for Maye (just like how I think Schoen feels about it). I'd say if they have Nabers and MHJ with comprable ratings then they'd trade with us, if they have one rated significantly higher they would either take him or trade down and then back up to 6.
I'm still thinking it's Maye or trade down for Schoen.
I hope this is smoke.
When do established QB like Allen actually become available at any price?
If you thought giving Daniel Jones a $160M contract was crazy, this one is pure lunacy. Straight-jacket variety.
Minnesota: #11, #23, and their #1 and #3 next year.
Denver: #12, Surtain, and their #1 next year.
To compete with those offers, Schoen would have to at least offer #6, #47, and our #1 next year. I don't Schoen offering that for JJM, although I wouldn't be surprised if he did for Maye.
My position is still take whichever QB falls to #6, if possible, or maybe move up to #5 for #70. Absent that, take one of the WRs at #6 or trade down. It's just too expensive to move up.
If you thought giving Daniel Jones a $160M contract was crazy, this one is pure lunacy. Straight-jacket variety.
No one said that here. The idea would be NE took JJM at 3, so the bidding war for Maye at 4 ensues.