Similar to a couple of other articles posted recently, filled with quotes from scouts, coaches and team execs. I'm admittedly bias because I've really liked Penix but this quote caught my eye:
“To be honest, I see it as Caleb and then 2A, 2B between Jayden and Penix,” an NFC OC says. “I just think as far as a thrower, coming in, he’ll be a top-five pure arm talent in the NFL. When you look at some of the other guys, it’s obviously Josh Allen, Mahomes, Herbert, Matthew Stafford, Aaron Rodgers. I think he’s kind of that next guy, in terms of what he can do with his arm. It’s quick. It’s powerful. There’s not a part of the field that he can’t touch. I think from a pure arm standpoint, it is pretty special with what he can do.”
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Buyer beware. I would not draft him in the 1st or 2nd round. Too big of a risk. We currently have a guy with similar injuries, no thanks.
Buyer beware. I would not draft him in the 1st or 2nd round. Too big of a risk. We currently have a guy with similar injuries, no thanks.
And played every game the last two years. That is something our current guy has not done.
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It’s not a question of talent, it’s how much is he going to be on the field. 2 knees, a dislocated throwing shoulder and an injury to the other shoulder. Season ending injuries multiple times.
Buyer beware. I would not draft him in the 1st or 2nd round. Too big of a risk. We currently have a guy with similar injuries, no thanks.
And played every game the last two years. That is something our current guy has not done.
Will he continue to play the more he gets hit. He was not hit at Washington. And the one game he was - he got injured that hurt his throwing towards the end of the game.
He wont have the luxury of just standing in the pocket with the best OL and best WRs like he did in college.
Scouts are probably scared of his age and injury history.
Buyer beware. I would not draft him in the 1st or 2nd round. Too big of a risk. We currently have a guy with similar injuries, no thanks.
At the start of camp it will be 4 years since his knee injury, he's as healthy as anyone
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In comment 16475146 Rudy5757 said:
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It’s not a question of talent, it’s how much is he going to be on the field. 2 knees, a dislocated throwing shoulder and an injury to the other shoulder. Season ending injuries multiple times.
Buyer beware. I would not draft him in the 1st or 2nd round. Too big of a risk. We currently have a guy with similar injuries, no thanks.
And played every game the last two years. That is something our current guy has not done.
Will he continue to play the more he gets hit. He was not hit at Washington. And the one game he was - he got injured that hurt his throwing towards the end of the game.
He wont have the luxury of just standing in the pocket with the best OL and best WRs like he did in college.
All reports say his knee is structurally sound. Nothing I have read says he is somehow more likely to injure his knee again than anyone else in this class. If the Giants medical people say otherwise than certainly take a pass.
But when it comes to pure arm talent, imo only Williams is in his class out of this crop of guys. He was dangerous with the ball in his hands and his left very few plays out on the field. My concern with Maye is that he misses a lot of plays he should make. Maybe that can be coached out?
I think there is a steep drop off after those four.
After so many years of dreary football, get this guy throwing downfield to Hyatt? Hell yes.
Buyer beware. I would not draft him in the 1st or 2nd round. Too big of a risk. We currently have a guy with similar injuries, no thanks.
It’s fine if you think he’s too risky to take, but I don’t see how Jones being injury prone is relevant. Picking Penix means Jones is done, we should make decisions based on what’s in front of us. Also, not liking him at 47 is wild.
Plus people say he can run but he hasn’t shown the ability to do it consistently.
He got hit a lot during the Michigan game and he didn’t play well. Plus he was holding his side and/or ribs too.
Just something I noticed.
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It’s not a question of talent, it’s how much is he going to be on the field. 2 knees, a dislocated throwing shoulder and an injury to the other shoulder. Season ending injuries multiple times.
Buyer beware. I would not draft him in the 1st or 2nd round. Too big of a risk. We currently have a guy with similar injuries, no thanks.
It’s fine if you think he’s too risky to take, but I don’t see how Jones being injury prone is relevant. Picking Penix means Jones is done, we should make decisions based on what’s in front of us. Also, not liking him at 47 is wild.
If Schoen has information that Penix will drop past Oakland and Seattle, the prospect of pairing him and Odunze together with the Giants...
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In comment 16475146 Rudy5757 said:
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It’s not a question of talent, it’s how much is he going to be on the field. 2 knees, a dislocated throwing shoulder and an injury to the other shoulder. Season ending injuries multiple times.
Buyer beware. I would not draft him in the 1st or 2nd round. Too big of a risk. We currently have a guy with similar injuries, no thanks.
It’s fine if you think he’s too risky to take, but I don’t see how Jones being injury prone is relevant. Picking Penix means Jones is done, we should make decisions based on what’s in front of us. Also, not liking him at 47 is wild.
If Schoen has information that Penix will drop past Oakland and Seattle, the prospect of pairing him and Odunze together with the Giants...
That's my dream first two picks right now. Schoen did say they have a good feel for where guys will go in their evaluation process. I feel like it'd 50-50 for Penix to slide or be taken before pick 16.
He got hit a lot during the Michigan game and he didn’t play well. Plus he was holding his side and/or ribs too.
Just something I noticed.
That was one game against a very good defense. It is a data point for sure, but does not discount any of the other 15 or so games I watched him play where he simply shredded defenses like they were a pop warner team.
He did have great receivers and he did play Pac-12 defenses, but so many of the throws were passes you and I could have hauled in.
Plus people say he can run but he hasn’t shown the ability to do it consistently.
This and the injury history are my two big concerns, for him to really thrive we need a good o line which we have obviously been cursed with the inability to assemble a good o line for over a decade. Maybe Penix could break the curse?
If Schoen could pull it off it'd be quite the coup
1. Elevate the play of their team
2. Overcome adversity
Before he was blessed with the talent he had at Washington, Penix had Indiana football ranked in the top 10. He had help at Washington of course, but that team took another step when DeBoer and Penix arrived.
All of these guys will experience adversity in the NFL, whether injuries, poor performance or both. We know Penix can come back from injuries and play at an extremely high level. It's on tape.
To me he just feels like a guy that is set up to succeed in the NFL. If the medicals check out I think he is a terrific prospect.
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But can he makes plays under duress. The times he was under duress - he struggled and with our OL… eek!
Plus people say he can run but he hasn’t shown the ability to do it consistently.
This and the injury history are my two big concerns, for him to really thrive we need a good o line which we have obviously been cursed with the inability to assemble a good o line for over a decade. Maybe Penix could break the curse?
If we keep having a shitty line it may not matter which one of these guys we draft. We can't factor in "the line can't block" into the long term QB projection.
I’m not saying I agree with this part, but how many BBIers complain about our medical staff causing all the Giants players injuries? And what about MetLife’s turf that it’s been well known throughout the NFL to have an effect on knee injuries?
And more importantly is his two season ending shoulder injuries. Wait until he gets to the NFL and gets pounded week in and week out. He’s never taken a beating in college like he’s going to get weekly in the pros.
This is all before he even steps foot into an NFL game. Hard Pass.
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Initial post. I should point will he continue to play at a high level the more he gets hit.
He got hit a lot during the Michigan game and he didn’t play well. Plus he was holding his side and/or ribs too.
Just something I noticed.
That was one game against a very good defense. It is a data point for sure, but does not discount any of the other 15 or so games I watched him play where he simply shredded defenses like they were a pop warner team.
He did have great receivers and he did play Pac-12 defenses, but so many of the throws were passes you and I could have hauled in.
His play vs Texas in the Semi was the difference in the game. The WRs were pretty well covered and he just put it exactly where it had to be. That was one of the most impressive games I've seen a college QB play
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Initial post. I should point will he continue to play at a high level the more he gets hit.
He got hit a lot during the Michigan game and he didn’t play well. Plus he was holding his side and/or ribs too.
Just something I noticed.
That was one game against a very good defense. It is a data point for sure, but does not discount any of the other 15 or so games I watched him play where he simply shredded defenses like they were a pop warner team.
He did have great receivers and he did play Pac-12 defenses, but so many of the throws were passes you and I could have hauled in.
His play vs Texas in the Semi was the difference in the game. The WRs were pretty well covered and he just put it exactly where it had to be. That was one of the most impressive games I've seen a college QB play
Agreed, that game blew me away.
If he had missed time virtually every year like Jones, then yes, hard pass. But he has two years in a row where he played every game. He can stay on the field.
I'm surely not taking him at 6.
People lay the Michigan game at Penix's feet, and don't penalize Odunze or Fautanu for letting themselves get pushed around all over the field. Never made sense to me.
The medical concerns are absolutely legit. I was encouraged that Penix did all the pre draft stuff (unlike some) and looked healthy and explosive. But the medicals obviously have to check out.
But no one is convincing me McCarthy and Maye are better players. You want to tell me those guys project to being better pros than college players, that's fine. I'm not sure how true that is but ok.
But based on what we've seen on the field those guys aren't as good as Penix. No way.
"Scared money don't make money." Joe Shoen
I honestly don’t know the answer to this question. But to me if there’s anyway to grab this guy later in first, that’s a great roll of the dice.
He admitted it is a rich WR draft.
I honestly don’t know the answer to this question. But to me if there’s anyway to grab this guy later in first, that’s a great roll of the dice.
Ask Frank Gore - he seemed to be a guy who figured it out. So much goes into durability - many players have a lot of injuries while they are growing and then are able to grow out of it when they mature. Others are just always injury-prone. I wouldn't be worried about his knee's in particularly, just his ability to play 17+ games per year.
Penix was moving in the pocket, avoiding the rush, going through progressions and rocketing the ball on target.
Injuries, schjuries. Give me Penix.
I like Maye and Daniels, too. Not sold on JJM or Nix but at this point would be happy to come away with any of the top 6 QBs this year. Goota start taking swings!
If he had missed time virtually every year like Jones, then yes, hard pass. But he has two years in a row where he played every game. He can stay on the field.
Jones didn’t miss time in college if I’m not mistaken. Penix had 4 consecutive years where he had season ending injuries. The last 2 he was healthy. But with that history and lack of getting hit in college compared to what punishment he’s going to receive on a weekly basis in the pros, you can’t be confident that he’s going to be able to withstand the beating he’s going to take for the next decade. You can’t use the #6 in the draft on him.
And just as fans, with all the injuries we’ve had from guys who never even missed time in college, you can feel confident using a top pick on a QB with that injury history? I sure as hell don’t. I’ll be shocked if the Giants select him.
Penix was moving in the pocket, avoiding the rush, going through progressions and rocketing the ball on target.
Injuries, schjuries. Give me Penix.
Ditto. I don’t get the Odunze love from the same people who crap on Penix. Penix made Odunze more than Odunze made Penix.
Contrast that with Nix and Daniels, whose WRs were getting wide, wide open regularly and/or putting up ridiculous RAC numbers.
I think Penix’ age and injury history are clouding some preople’s judgement on his game. And in a few years if he’s flinging the ball everywhere for 4500 yards and 40 TDs, people will wonder how he fell to XX pick in the draft.
As Terps and others have stated, he’s already shown the passing ability people are PROJECTING others to one day have. Of course college production does not necessarily equal pro production but there’s a lot to like there.
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But came away more impressed with Penix. Odunze was not getting separation, no burst, not breaking tackles and these were his HIGHLIGHTS!
Penix was moving in the pocket, avoiding the rush, going through progressions and rocketing the ball on target.
Injuries, schjuries. Give me Penix.
Ditto. I don’t get the Odunze love from the same people who crap on Penix. Penix made Odunze more than Odunze made Penix.
Contrast that with Nix and Daniels, whose WRs were getting wide, wide open regularly and/or putting up ridiculous RAC numbers.
I think Penix’ age and injury history are clouding some preople’s judgement on his game. And in a few years if he’s flinging the ball everywhere for 4500 yards and 40 TDs, people will wonder how he fell to XX pick in the draft.
As Terps and others have stated, he’s already shown the passing ability people are PROJECTING others to one day have. Of course college production does not necessarily equal pro production but there’s a lot to like there.
I got a gut feeling Penix is going to have a very good and healthy nfl career.