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Risk of Cardinals-Chargers shenanigans?

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/19/2024 5:05 pm
Cardinals GM Monti Ossenfort prides himself on being a wheeler and dealer. He'll move down, and then move up in the same round to get the player he wants.

One of the advantages the Giants have picking at #6 is that the Cardinals may not want to lose the chance of drafting Harrison or Nabers. So the assumption by some has been the Cardinals can trade with the Giants, get extra pick(s), and still get the same player at #6 they would have taken at #4. Makes sense.

However, the fly in the ointment with that strategy could be the Chargers. It is assumed that despite being desperate for WRs, Harbaugh will want to address the offensive line in this draft. More pundits than not have the Chargers moving down as well since this is a really deep OL class.

Does anyone else see the same risk I see here?

Ossenfort could trade down with the Vikings, get those three #1s (two this year, one next) and then trade back up with the Chargers.

As long as the Cardinals get a net positive out of this, it makes sense for them.

Am I crazy?
It’s a lot that has to go right  
UConn4523 : 4/19/2024 5:08 pm : link
in a short amount of time. It can happen but that’s a lot of movement and risk if you love someone at 4-6.
RE: It’s a lot that has to go right  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/19/2024 5:10 pm : link
In comment 16475704 UConn4523 said:
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in a short amount of time. It can happen but that’s a lot of movement and risk if you love someone at 4-6.


It would have to be set up now. The parameters are already there as long as the QB they want is there.
I think Cardinals will stick at #4 and LAC is the team to worry about  
Eric on Li : 4/19/2024 5:10 pm : link
i've listened to a lot of cardinals talk recently, it is hard to underestimate how often larry fitzgerald comes up re MHJ. i dont see that as super predictive of their decisions, but the other that comes up is how badly they need an edge rusher - which is the DPOY pick they traded out of last year.

I dont think they are going to risk that same mistake twice unless they have Nabers and MHJ graded essentially the same, and if they do i dont think they will go past #6. I think they are going to come away with a ROY candidate WR with their first pick.

the team I am worried about trading out is Harbough because I think he wants to stock up picks. Schmelk made this point on the beat writer mock, Harbough has an advantage this year because he knows the prospects better than any other coach. he has recruited and faced all of them for half a decade or more. He already has Slater at LT. I think he is going to want to stock pile picks and picking up #11 and #23 plus another day 2 may be too much for him to pass up.
I guess but regardless of what happens  
Finch : 4/19/2024 5:13 pm : link
NYG walk away with WR2.

I think it’s all but assumed at this point that unless the giants want to pay up, some other team will for one of the top 4 QBs. So Giants will probably get their pick of Nabers or Odunze.
I don't see it  
Sean : 4/19/2024 5:15 pm : link
Schoen often talks about relationships. The Cardinals and Giants have a good working relationship and familiarity. Cowden and Ossenfort worked together in Tennessee.
What is your concern?  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2024 5:20 pm : link
in that scenario the Giants either trade down with the team who loves McCarthy netting an extra 1st for 2025 or takes Odunze at 6.

(I'm assuming 3 QB's and 2 WR's go top 5).
RE: I think Cardinals will stick at #4 and LAC is the team to worry about  
Frbuff : 4/19/2024 5:20 pm : link
In comment 16475709 Eric on Li said:
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i've listened to a lot of cardinals talk recently, it is hard to underestimate how often larry fitzgerald comes up re MHJ. i dont see that as super predictive of their decisions, but the other that comes up is how badly they need an edge rusher - which is the DPOY pick they traded out of last year.

I dont think they are going to risk that same mistake twice unless they have Nabers and MHJ graded essentially the same, and if they do i dont think they will go past #6. I think they are going to come away with a ROY candidate WR with their first pick.

the team I am worried about trading out is Harbough because I think he wants to stock up picks. Schmelk made this point on the beat writer mock, Harbough has an advantage this year because he knows the prospects better than any other coach. he has recruited and faced all of them for half a decade or more. He already has Slater at LT. I think he is going to want to stock pile picks and picking up #11 and #23 plus another day 2 may be too much for him to pass up.


I would be worried if chargers don’t trade and somehow McCarthy is there cause I don’t want anything to do with an average qb who’s basically a game manager.. if McCarthy is there at 6 my hope is we trade back with a team who is a sucker to take him!
Eric  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2024 5:21 pm : link
Didn't one of the asshats say that the Giants have the structure of a deal in place with NE depending on which QB is on the board?
This is why I’ve never believed  
Pepe LePugh : 4/19/2024 5:25 pm : link
that a trade up would be cheap because we’re in the six spot. We can outbid the Vikes, but if they’re willing to pay three #1’s, it’s absurd to expect that 6 and a pair of seconds will get it done.
Yes you are crazy :)  
jvm52106 : 4/19/2024 5:25 pm : link
but not for thinking about stuff like this.

Right now the bigger question(s) start with Washington. Rumors are that Josh Harris (new owner) will have a bigger hand in the selection process (what, owners want to participate...No way, that is only a Giants issue..). If so, will it be Daniels, Maye or could JJM be the pick here. My assumption is Daniels but it could be JJM. I do NOT see them taking Maye.

Washington sets the whole draft in motion. ** By the way did you catch Schoen mentioning trading within the division is tricky (not sure if he meant up or down though) but it was during his whole quarterback discussion..

It's definitely possible  
UberAlias : 4/19/2024 5:29 pm : link
Except we should be looking to deal to 3 for Maye. Let MN worry about all that. :)
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/19/2024 5:30 pm : link
I really think LAC stays at 5 & takes Alt.
I'd be less worried about Arizona if Harrison wasn't  
barens : 4/19/2024 5:39 pm : link
going to be available. Plus, Arizona has a ton of draft capital already(another 1st rounder), not sure how much more they would want to add.
RE: …  
barens : 4/19/2024 5:41 pm : link
In comment 16475735 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I really think LAC stays at 5 & takes Alt.


That I don't see happening. I think they either stay put and take the best WR, or trade down and take Alt, or the BPA. In a deep draft for OL, I don't see why they would just stay put and not take the BPA, assuming he isn't for them.
I beleeive the Giants staya at #6 and draft the best wr still  
Jack Stroud : 4/19/2024 5:43 pm : link
available. They may get a chance to trade down and get more picks this year and perhaps a 1st next, if that is the case my prediction is they take the best defensive player still available.
But what is the risk exactly?  
Finch : 4/19/2024 5:45 pm : link
I could argue it’s riskier if QBs go 1-2-3, cards and chargers stay put and draft WR, and we are stuck with the QB4 and WR3 we really don’t want
RE: RE: It’s a lot that has to go right  
UConn4523 : 4/19/2024 5:48 pm : link
In comment 16475708 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16475704 UConn4523 said:


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in a short amount of time. It can happen but that’s a lot of movement and risk if you love someone at 4-6.



It would have to be set up now. The parameters are already there as long as the QB they want is there.


What happens if LAC changes their mind?
What's the risk?  
Darwinian : 4/19/2024 5:52 pm : link
That the Giants might get hosed? Yes, it is a tough market. You have to be aggressive to get the QB you think will set the franchise off in a championship direction. Kwesi from Minny definitely gets it by obtaining the 2nd first rounder with no guarantee.

And I fully expect if the Cardinals trade out of 4 they will trade back up. 100%. They have too many draft picks as it is. If they trade down they must consolidate some of those picks. Now maybe it will be to get more mid 1st round picks because good receivers and defenders are going to be falling a little later with good value to be obtained.
The Cards  
Spider43 : 4/19/2024 6:02 pm : link
Have a total of 11 picks in this draft. I see little chance of them moving down from #4. I think they're pretty locked in to WR1 there. The trade down likely happens with the Bolts at #5. I'm leaning more towards NE staying put, unless they're super locked in to the guy picked by the Commandos (and they really shouldn't be).
RE: RE: It’s a lot that has to go right  
BleedBlue46 : 4/19/2024 6:30 pm : link
In comment 16475708 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16475704 UConn4523 said:


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in a short amount of time. It can happen but that’s a lot of movement and risk if you love someone at 4-6.



It would have to be set up now. The parameters are already there as long as the QB they want is there.


If Schoen and NE set the same parameters up, then it won't matter I don't think. I don't believe Minnesota will trade that haul for JJM. If we trade with NE for Maye and NE had a deal in place with AZ to go back up to 4 for JJM, then the Vikings could be forced to go to their asshat-rumored fallback plan of Penix. My gut and the asshat rumor tells me Minnesota won't trade a haul for JJM. If NE wants JJM and we really want Maye, I see this as a very legit possibility.
RE: The Cards  
BleedBlue46 : 4/19/2024 6:31 pm : link
In comment 16475804 Spider43 said:
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Have a total of 11 picks in this draft. I see little chance of them moving down from #4. I think they're pretty locked in to WR1 there. The trade down likely happens with the Bolts at #5. I'm leaning more towards NE staying put, unless they're super locked in to the guy picked by the Commandos (and they really shouldn't be).


2025 picks or pick swaps while still getting Nabers or MHJ would be appealing to them.
The Chargers situation could be an opportunity  
Blue Dog : 4/19/2024 6:32 pm : link
If their guy is there at 5 the Chargers would probably be open to business with the Giants first because they could make a deal like the Giants did with the Jags last year. The Chargers would know they're getting their guy and the Giants prevent getting jumped. No way Alt or one of the top 3 WRs gets to the Vikings spot.
RE: This is why I’ve never believed  
BleedBlue46 : 4/19/2024 6:34 pm : link
In comment 16475725 Pepe LePugh said:
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that a trade up would be cheap because we’re in the six spot. We can outbid the Vikes, but if they’re willing to pay three #1’s, it’s absurd to expect that 6 and a pair of seconds will get it done.


If Schoen loves Maye and Maye is there at 4, he will offer the same package to AZ as he did to NE. If JJM is there at 4 then I don't believe the Vikings would pay the king's ransom.
RE: Eric  
BleedBlue46 : 4/19/2024 6:36 pm : link
In comment 16475721 Jay on the Island said:
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Didn't one of the asshats say that the Giants have the structure of a deal in place with NE depending on which QB is on the board?


Rick in FL said that and it's just based on a rumor from a friend of his in the front office of another team, it's what some franchises believe. Nothing definitive at all.
Its plausible  
The Dude : 4/19/2024 6:47 pm : link
There are alot of frameworks in place by the time thursday comes around.
Both teams can trade down  
Rudy5757 : 4/19/2024 6:55 pm : link
If there is a QB someone wants there will be a trading partner. I’d say the Chargers are more likely because they could potentially get an OT and solid WR in Thomas. The Cardinals might only want to trade with the Giants. I don’t want that. Stay at 6. I think the player they would want at 6 will still be there.
I Hope Schoen / Daboll Have The QBs & WRs Clearly Ranked  
Trainmaster : 4/19/2024 7:26 pm : link
There are not an infinite number of possibilities.

QB3, QB4, WR2 or WR3 will be there at 6th overall.



Don't really see the...  
Jim in Tampa : 4/19/2024 7:36 pm : link
"risk" for the Giants if AZ traded down and then back up.

Most likely scenario is the Vikings trade up to 4 and the Chargers take a WR (not Alt). If AZ trades back up to 5, then the Giants get WR-2 instead of WR-1.

Worst case (or is it best case?) AZ and LAC stay put (both taking WRs) and the NYG get QB-4, WR-3 or a haul from Denver.
I don't get the use of  
Bill in UT : 4/19/2024 7:36 pm : link
the term "shenanagans". Seems like everything you mentioned is completely above board.
Relax  
BJacobs The Tiptoe Bandit : 4/19/2024 7:45 pm : link
There are only 5 players who can get picked before the Giants regardless as to who is picking 1-5.

There are way more than 5 blue chips.

If you really think about it there is no way that we dont wind up with one of the three stud WRs. If all 3 go then the Giants have Maye or Daniels to choose from.

Think of this like us picking 4th in the Cedric Jones draft. We cant get punked.
One thing that doesn't get talked about enough  
gameday555 : 4/19/2024 7:45 pm : link
Is that two of the three teams rumored to be sniffing around trading up for a QB, Raiders and Broncos, are in the same division as the Chargers. I don't see LAC being particularly keen on playing a part in handing a division rival a new potential franchise QB. Obviously that still leaves the Vikings. But the fact that the team in front of giants will likely be giving a cold shoulder to two other QB needy teams is a good thing.
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