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NFT: Mets @ Dodgers: Gm 1– ⚾Manaea (L) v Yamamoto (R)⚾–10:10pm ET

Optimus-NY : 4/19/2024 9:33 pm

Starting Lineups for both clubs tonight.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for tonight's and tomorrow' night's games in La La Land against the Dodgers.
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#LFGM!
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Notes:
-Tonight's game is on SNY and tomorrow's will be on WPIX and FS1.
-The weather for tonight's game in Los Angeles is fine. Click HERE to see the Hourly AccuWeather Report for Dodger Stadium.
-The Dodgers are 2-5 in their last 7 games; Yamamoto has struggled adjusting to MLB this far. Let's see if the Mets n add to that angst tonight.

-The Mets activated RHP Michael Tonkin; they also sent LHP Tyler Jay outright to Syracuse after having designated him for assignment. They also optioned RHP Grant Hartwig to Syracuse.
-Click HERE to see the list of Mets transactions thus far for April.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active roster.
-The Mets' 4-man bench for tonight's game will consist of Narváez (L), Baty (L), Taylor (R), & Short (R).
Check out the Minor League thread for April below:  
Optimus-NY : 4/19/2024 9:36 pm : link
We'll be doing one each month for the rest of the season. It'll be easier to consolidate info this way and for everyone to be able to follow along any news and information centering around the club's various affiliates.


NFT: Mets Minor League Update (April) - DanMetroMan - 4/2/2024 10:17 am
Thanks Optimus!  
JayBinQueens : 4/19/2024 10:38 pm : link
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DJ homering off Yamamoto wasn't on my bingo card  
Eric on Li : 4/19/2024 10:40 pm : link
looks like alvarez left the game for thumb injury, hopefully hes ok.
caption contests still a thing?  
Eric on Li : 4/19/2024 10:46 pm : link
Tim Healey
@timbhealey
Steve Cohen, making his usual visit to Dodger Stadium, chatted with Mets players and personnel, plus Scott Boras, during batting practice today.

You can tell his curve  
JayBinQueens : 4/19/2024 10:53 pm : link
has a ton of movement based on how Marte and Alonso both braced to be hit and it didn't miss the zone by much
DJ with 100.7 and 109.7 flyballs both 387 feet  
Eric on Li : 4/19/2024 10:58 pm : link
yamamoto killer?
Damn  
JayBinQueens : 4/19/2024 10:58 pm : link
DJ almost got a 2nd.

4-0 Metsies mid 3
Manaea has looked more lucky than good tonght  
CooperDash : 4/19/2024 11:35 pm : link
Hoping he pulls through but it’s not inspiring, lol.
You gonna tell me Pages didn’t lean into that HBP???  
CooperDash : 4/20/2024 12:00 am : link
Bull fucking shit.

Cherry picking MLB umpiring.
Wendle fucked this inning and this game  
CooperDash : 4/20/2024 12:07 am : link
But God forbid we have Vientos on this team.

WTF with this team. Just fucking trade Vientos already if you don’t want him. For fuck sake.
like mets LAD defense has been a problem and they just gave it back  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 12:17 am : link
big knock for lindor at a key moment there. always deflating to scrap back to tie a game then give up runs the next inning.

LAD defense and BP both shaky.

mets defense needs to get it's stuff together by the time the P regresses. BP is solid but it isnt pitching to a sub-2 era all year.
Now we all just pray that Alvarez  
bhill410 : 4/20/2024 3:59 am : link
Isn’t done for the season, but if I am being serious any scenario where we see him again on field before August 1st I’ll take as a win. Just screamed thumb surgery or ruptured tendon on how awkward that looked.
Nice win  
KDavies : 4/20/2024 7:48 am : link
with the exception of the Alvarez injury and Wendle's defense. Agreed he has to go. Should have gotten Rosario. Guillorme would have been better too
Good win, fun and competitive game  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/20/2024 8:30 am : link
I like it.
Mendoza pretty concerned about Alvarez  
dannysection 313 : 4/20/2024 8:45 am : link
Jeez, not good. Usually after an injury there's a bit of "let's wait to find out," but Mendoza sounding pessimistic in not a great sign.

If Alvarez is out a length of time, who do the Mets look to to split time, or back up, Narvaez?

You'd think it would be a right handed bat to compliment left hand hitting Narvaez (the Mets could do much worse than having Narvaez play a few months of the season).

For those of you who know these things, is Kevin Parada an option?

God forbid we have the return of Thomas Nido...
watching the replay of the game now, after living on the west coast  
Rory : 4/20/2024 9:48 am : link
for 4 years.

I don't think you guys understand how much a 3 hour time change can effect your mental awareness and timing, especially after flying in the night before.

I'm willing to give Wendle and others the benefit of the doubt on errors and inconsistency.

I get the concern on Alverez but we just beat the freaking dodgers at home. Little to more negativity then I care to read this morning.

Its obvious by now they want Vientos to play fulltime in AAA to be ready to come up in June.
We just kicked the Dodgers teeth in with Yamamoto  
CooperDash : 4/20/2024 10:11 am : link
on the mound. Doesn’t get much better than that.

Watching Yamamoto, I didn’t walk away overly impressed. He has some good stuff, for sure. But I wasn’t blown away like I thought I might be.

Ohtani is still a freak though, lol.
if Alvarez is DLed  
KDavies : 4/20/2024 10:12 am : link
I would think it's Nido. Parada is not close to ready, particularly on defense
RE: if Alvarez is DLed  
CooperDash : 4/20/2024 10:19 am : link
In comment 16476514 KDavies said:
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I would think it's Nido. Parada is not close to ready, particularly on defense


The catchers on this team don’t throw anyone out anyway - so Parada will fit right in!
RE: Nice win  
Optimus-NY : 4/20/2024 10:23 am : link
In comment 16476357 KDavies said:
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with the exception of the Alvarez injury and Wendle's defense. Agreed he has to go. Should have gotten Rosario. Guillorme would have been better too


+1
they flew nido out  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 10:24 am : link
nido should be fine, he is a competent backup catcher and narvaez has been decent. neither is alvarez but they will get by, both are good on D.

the downside is that i think whenever they send nido back down he's subject to waivers, but they can cross that bridge when they get to it. obviously the most important thing is that alvarez gets back healthy at some point.

as good as rosario has played he wasnt coming here. he turned down more money to go to the rays and play because he wants to earn a contract in the offseason. he wasnt coming here for a utility role. he's played 5 games in the IF (2 at short, 3 at 2b) and 10 games in the OF, so there was no role for him here unless they let him try to win 3b over baty.
Any word on Alvarez yet?  
Optimus-NY : 4/20/2024 10:48 am : link
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if Alvarez is DLed  
KDavies : 4/20/2024 11:04 am : link
I would think it's Nido. Parada is not close to ready, particularly on defense
RE: if Alvarez is DLed  
KDavies : 4/20/2024 11:05 am : link
In comment 16476561 KDavies said:
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I would think it's Nido. Parada is not close to ready, particularly on defense


Don't know why this Re-posted
RE: Any word on Alvarez yet?  
KDavies : 4/20/2024 11:07 am : link
In comment 16476549 Optimus-NY said:
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Per Puma, Nido on way to LA. Expectation is Alvarez to IL. No word on severity
RE: watching the replay of the game now, after living on the west coast  
Section331 : 4/20/2024 11:29 am : link
In comment 16476487 Rory said:
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Its obvious by now they want Vientos to play fulltime in AAA to be ready to come up in June.


I have to disagree with this. With Baty entrenched at 3B, Alonso at 1B, and JDM at DH, where would Vientos play? I agree that they want him in Cuse so he can play full time, but I also think it’s apparent the front office doesn’t see him as an essential piece.
RE: RE: watching the replay of the game now, after living on the west coast  
CooperDash : 4/20/2024 12:46 pm : link
In comment 16476599 Section331 said:
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Its obvious by now they want Vientos to play fulltime in AAA to be ready to come up in June.



I have to disagree with this. With Baty entrenched at 3B, Alonso at 1B, and JDM at DH, where would Vientos play? I agree that they want him in Cuse so he can play full time, but I also think it’s apparent the front office doesn’t see him as an essential piece.


I’d love to understand the rationale. Vientos destroys AAA offensively. Seems like a natural fit for DH. But for some reason unbeknownst to all, he’s treated like a red-headed stepchild.

And if they are gearing up to trade him, other teams are going to question what’s wrong with him…lowering his value. Can’t help but think that this FO has bungled every single aspect of a Vientos.
RE: RE: RE: watching the replay of the game now, after living on the west coast  
Mike in NY : 4/20/2024 12:48 pm : link
In comment 16476704 CooperDash said:
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Its obvious by now they want Vientos to play fulltime in AAA to be ready to come up in June.



I have to disagree with this. With Baty entrenched at 3B, Alonso at 1B, and JDM at DH, where would Vientos play? I agree that they want him in Cuse so he can play full time, but I also think it’s apparent the front office doesn’t see him as an essential piece.



I’d love to understand the rationale. Vientos destroys AAA offensively. Seems like a natural fit for DH. But for some reason unbeknownst to all, he’s treated like a red-headed stepchild.

And if they are gearing up to trade him, other teams are going to question what’s wrong with him…lowering his value. Can’t help but think that this FO has bungled every single aspect of a Vientos.


If you are just going by numbers you’d think Danny Mendick should be an MLB starter
I mean the front office isn't going to explain their rationale openly  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/20/2024 1:36 pm : link
If they simply don't think he's really an MLB level player at this point.

Those decisions are made on things we're not able to see. You either believe the coaches and management evaluate players or don't.
RE: I mean the front office isn't going to explain their rationale openly  
pjcas18 : 4/20/2024 1:38 pm : link
In comment 16476785 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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If they simply don't think he's really an MLB level player at this point.

Those decisions are made on things we're not able to see. You either believe the coaches and management evaluate players or don't.


or it could just be a bad decision.

I fluctuate between this view of we're just fans and we know nothing and the opposite view of sometimes we give these front office people too much credit. Many of them are not that smart (the latter view more in football than baseball, but all sports really).
RE: RE: watching the replay of the game now, after living on the west coast  
Rory : 4/20/2024 1:43 pm : link
In comment 16476599 Section331 said:
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Its obvious by now they want Vientos to play fulltime in AAA to be ready to come up in June.



I have to disagree with this. With Baty entrenched at 3B, Alonso at 1B, and JDM at DH, where would Vientos play? I agree that they want him in Cuse so he can play full time, but I also think it’s apparent the front office doesn’t see him as an essential piece.


until I see JDM play, be healthy and effective I'm not sold the DH role is solely his.
RE: RE: I mean the front office isn't going to explain their rationale openly  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/20/2024 2:05 pm : link
In comment 16476792 pjcas18 said:
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If they simply don't think he's really an MLB level player at this point.

Those decisions are made on things we're not able to see. You either believe the coaches and management evaluate players or don't.



or it could just be a bad decision.

I fluctuate between this view of we're just fans and we know nothing and the opposite view of sometimes we give these front office people too much credit. Many of them are not that smart (the latter view more in football than baseball, but all sports really).


Fine but we do have to allow for the objective fact that we don't see everything that goes on. What if he's lazy at practice, doesn't take to coaching, or didn't respond well to Martinez being signed to take his spot? What if Stearns just feels he's not a player at this level but doesn't mind holding him until someone else does feel that way?

Sure, it could just be a bad decision but have we been presented with something to buy that this front office shouldn't be trusted with evaluating their own players yet?
RE: RE: RE: RE: watching the replay of the game now, after living on the west coast  
CooperDash : 4/20/2024 2:12 pm : link
In comment 16476707 Mike in NY said:
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Its obvious by now they want Vientos to play fulltime in AAA to be ready to come up in June.



I have to disagree with this. With Baty entrenched at 3B, Alonso at 1B, and JDM at DH, where would Vientos play? I agree that they want him in Cuse so he can play full time, but I also think it’s apparent the front office doesn’t see him as an essential piece.



I’d love to understand the rationale. Vientos destroys AAA offensively. Seems like a natural fit for DH. But for some reason unbeknownst to all, he’s treated like a red-headed stepchild.

And if they are gearing up to trade him, other teams are going to question what’s wrong with him…lowering his value. Can’t help but think that this FO has bungled every single aspect of a Vientos.



If you are just going by numbers you’d think Danny Mendick should be an MLB starter


Not really. Vientos numbers and peripherals are much better than Mendick’s and he’s also 7 years younger. Not even a comparison.
RE: RE: RE: I mean the front office isn't going to explain their rationale openly  
CooperDash : 4/20/2024 2:23 pm : link
In comment 16476835 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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If they simply don't think he's really an MLB level player at this point.

Those decisions are made on things we're not able to see. You either believe the coaches and management evaluate players or don't.



or it could just be a bad decision.

I fluctuate between this view of we're just fans and we know nothing and the opposite view of sometimes we give these front office people too much credit. Many of them are not that smart (the latter view more in football than baseball, but all sports really).



Fine but we do have to allow for the objective fact that we don't see everything that goes on. What if he's lazy at practice, doesn't take to coaching, or didn't respond well to Martinez being signed to take his spot? What if Stearns just feels he's not a player at this level but doesn't mind holding him until someone else does feel that way?

Sure, it could just be a bad decision but have we been presented with something to buy that this front office shouldn't be trusted with evaluating their own players yet?


Yes, clearly the FO isn’t going to make their plan public to fans. I think that’s a pretty obvious statement. BUT, with the media and outlets, we are privy to more information than we have in the past. Do we know everything? Of course not. But if he was lazy or have a poor attitude, there’s a good chance that it would be reported.

It’s easy to say that we as fans “know nothing”. And if you want to take that approach because it makes it easier to have blind faith in all the team’s decisions, then more power to you. But these FOs make bad decisions all the time (see - Vogelbach). It’s fair to question the decisions. And with JDM on the shelf for so long, it makes no sense.
I haven't had blind faith in the Mets since I was 6  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/20/2024 2:32 pm : link
But we are two weeks in with this GM and manager. They haven't done anything to make me believe they don't know what to do with players. Stearns certainly has proven he is a legitimate baseball man.

Conversely vientos hasn't done anything to convince me that he isn't right where he belongs right now.
RE: I haven't had blind faith in the Mets since I was 6  
CooperDash : 4/20/2024 2:36 pm : link
In comment 16476881 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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But we are two weeks in with this GM and manager. They haven't done anything to make me believe they don't know what to do with players. Stearns certainly has proven he is a legitimate baseball man.

Conversely vientos hasn't done anything to convince me that he isn't right where he belongs right now.


Lol, all good man. Nothing you are saying is wrong. The Mets are playing well, so there’s hardly a lot to complain about. But keeping an eye on the future, Vientos is also doing everything he’s supposed to do (numbers wise) to have earned the promotion and given an extended look. Especially with DJM on the shelf. I feel it’s a wasted opportunity to call up a raging hit hitter (and doing it against top rated pitching prospects) and help the ballclub in a position of need.
Bring up Vientos already.  
Optimus-NY : 4/20/2024 3:01 pm : link
Send Short down. The lineup is gonna be sus for a while now.
Alvarez to 15 day IL  
dannysection 313 : 4/20/2024 3:38 pm : link
From MMO

"Francisco Alvarez is heading to the 15-day injured list with a left thumb sprain."

I thought it was the 10 day IL now for position players and 15 days for pitchers?

Who knows how severe the injury is....
remember they were comfortable enough with vientos they held off JDM  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 3:40 pm : link
for a very long time - literally until he took what was effectively a sizable pay cut from last year even though he was coming off an all star season. last year he got paid $10m, this year the mets are paying him $4.5m, with another 7.5m deferred for 10+ years. present day value of the deal is $8.9m.

they probably had several chances in the weeks/months earlier to sign him at deals that still would have been extreme values and they were comfortable enough with vientos, who ops'd 800 and led the team in homers during the spring, until it became a deal too good to pass up for last year's ASG clean up hitter.

vientos is ready for big league pitching and jmo but anyone who thinks they know what will or wont happen when he gets there is completely full of shit. he has continually improved at AAA, this year included. he improved last year at the MLB level when he got regular PT. he has obviously carrying talents that cannot be faked (power) and a capacity for improvement so the entire question is whether or not he can make enough improvements at a level he is not playing at. miriam webster would say it's a textbook unknown.

the problem is his roster fit with Baty who was just as deserving of his spot (probably moreso with the way he improved on D this year). JDM should not be a problem and they should have given Vientos the time at DH while he was going through his version of ST. they should have done that because if JDM doesnt perform or cant stay healthy, vientos may be their best DH alternative.

as it turns out DJ has taken advantage of his chance though. so honestly cant even really fault their decision too much.

so i think vientos continues to be stuck in roster fit purgatory. if baty goes on the IL or JDM has a set back i think that's probably what it takes for him to get his shot. a silver lining is that if/when he gets that shot he should be his most prepared to take advantage of it because of the fact that he does just continue to keep getting better at the things some of the experts said he couldnt get better at.
RE: Alvarez to 15 day IL  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 3:42 pm : link
In comment 16476973 dannysection 313 said:
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From MMO

"Francisco Alvarez is heading to the 15-day injured list with a left thumb sprain."

I thought it was the 10 day IL now for position players and 15 days for pitchers?

Who knows how severe the injury is....


if no surgery or break announced that's good news. sometimes swelling leads to late diagnosis' so may not be out of the woods yet, id imagine they will send him to some specialists, but hopefully no news will be good news.
RE: I haven't had blind faith in the Mets since I was 6  
CooperDash : 4/20/2024 3:44 pm : link
In comment 16476881 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Conversely vientos hasn't done anything to convince me that he isn't right where he belongs right now.


I’m curious what makes you think this. What hasn’t Vientos done in the minors that hasn’t earned him an opportunity in a position of need on the pro club? Especially over the other underwhelming options that are already on the team?
RE: Alvarez to 15 day IL  
pjcas18 : 4/20/2024 3:47 pm : link
In comment 16476973 dannysection 313 said:
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From MMO

"Francisco Alvarez is heading to the 15-day injured list with a left thumb sprain."

I thought it was the 10 day IL now for position players and 15 days for pitchers?

Who knows how severe the injury is....


Yahoo shows 10-day DL so maybe it was a typo (or Yahoo is wrong)
RE: RE: I haven't had blind faith in the Mets since I was 6  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/20/2024 4:16 pm : link
In comment 16476986 CooperDash said:
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Conversely vientos hasn't done anything to convince me that he isn't right where he belongs right now.



I’m curious what makes you think this. What hasn’t Vientos done in the minors that hasn’t earned him an opportunity in a position of need on the pro club? Especially over the other underwhelming options that are already on the team?


He's been great there. Not what I'm doubting. It's the factors aside from hitting that must be at play here.
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