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Pelissero confirms NYG and Vikings Most Likely to Trade Up

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2024 8:42 am
Tom Pelissero is the writer who put together that huge piece on the QB class with all of the quotes.

On Eisen's show, he said they belief around the NFL is the Vikings and Giants are the most likely to trade up (not his belief, but what he's being told by other NFL teams).

When pressed by Eisen about which team may be left holding the bag without a QB, he said the Giants because he said the Vikings simply may be able to offer more (this was his opinion).

However, he also said the Vikings may be OK with other options at QB (i.e., Penix or Nix) if things don't work out their way.
he did  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2024 8:44 am : link
say a number of interesting things on all of the QBs.

On Maye, some teams consider him the second best QB in the draft. But some think he needs to be treated like Love in Green Bay (sit a couple of years).

He said McCarthy blew teams away at his Pro Day.
I say...  
4xchamps : 4/20/2024 8:45 am : link
Neither team moves up. Giants take a WR and Vikings take Penix or Nix.
Broncos?  
barens : 4/20/2024 8:52 am : link
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RE: Broncos?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2024 8:53 am : link
In comment 16476400 barens said:
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He said the Broncos are just as likely to trade down and take Nix as move up.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/20/2024 8:53 am : link
Five more days. Five more days. Five more days.
The  
Toth029 : 4/20/2024 8:58 am : link
Giants can offer more than the Vikings.

It's a matter of IF Joe would do it.
RE: The  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2024 9:00 am : link
In comment 16476411 Toth029 said:
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Giants can offer more than the Vikings.

It's a matter of IF Joe would do it.


Three #1s (including two this year) plus possible additional picks? Vikings have a more complete roster and can afford to part ways with picks more too.
IMO  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2024 9:01 am : link
the best shot for the Giants is for the Vikings to trade up to #3, and the Giants being OK with the remaining QB (McCarthy or Maye).
RE: IMO  
Scooter185 : 4/20/2024 9:04 am : link
In comment 16476414 Eric from BBI said:
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the best shot for the Giants is for the Vikings to trade up to #3, and the Giants being OK with the remaining QB (McCarthy or Maye).


The path we need is for NE to take a QB and then we trade up to 4 or NE to trade with MINN and then we trade up to 4
Scooter185 :  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2024 9:06 am : link
If the Vikings trade up to #3, they are no longer a threat for the other QB.

In that scenario, the 4th QB may also fall to six, without any trade up.
RE: IMO  
fkap : 4/20/2024 9:06 am : link
In comment 16476414 Eric from BBI said:
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the best shot for the Giants is for the Vikings to trade up to #3, and the Giants being OK with the remaining QB (McCarthy or Maye).

+ 1
RE: RE: The  
Toth029 : 4/20/2024 9:16 am : link
In comment 16476413 Eric from BBI said:
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Giants can offer more than the Vikings.

It's a matter of IF Joe would do it.



Three #1s (including two this year) plus possible additional picks? Vikings have a more complete roster and can afford to part ways with picks more too.


The Giants 6 and 47 is worth more than their 11 and 23. If we talk additional picks, they already lost their 2nd for next year because of the move up in the 23 (Texsns trade). No 2nd or 3rd this year. Each team can move their 1 next year, of course. As for fewer holes, I think they're more ready to compete but their defense notably is really lacking. They lost their best defensive player.
People  
Sammo85 : 4/20/2024 9:17 am : link
kind of overrate the Vikings roster. I hate their defensive personnel. Yes they have an OL and couple of receivers but Aaron Jones is on a one year deal and might be toast soon. Bears fans should be jumping for joy for years to come if Kwesi loses to OConnell and they trade away a bunch of picks.
If  
Toth029 : 4/20/2024 9:18 am : link
The Giants like McCarthy more than Maye, they may want the first shot at him. If not, sure, let them move to 3 and the other guy should slide to 6.
RE: People  
Sean : 4/20/2024 9:20 am : link
In comment 16476441 Sammo85 said:
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kind of overrate the Vikings roster. I hate their defensive personnel. Yes they have an OL and couple of receivers but Aaron Jones is on a one year deal and might be toast soon. Bears fans should be jumping for joy for years to come if Kwesi loses to OConnell and they trade away a bunch of picks.

Isn't it funny. When the Giants beat them in the playoffs they are a doormat. When the Giants compete with them for a QB, they're a loaded roster that's just a QB away.
RE: he did  
Mike from Ohio : 4/20/2024 9:20 am : link
In comment 16476392 Eric from BBI said:
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He said McCarthy blew teams away at his Pro Day.


Eisen wouldn’t have had him on the show if he didn’t say that.
NYG can offer more than MN  
UberAlias : 4/20/2024 9:21 am : link
The question is about willingness. Minnesota's 2nd 1st rounder is a combination of this year's and next years second round pick. So their 11 and 23 is the equivalent of NYG offering 6, 47, and next year's 2.
The Vikings can offer more?  
HardTruth : 4/20/2024 9:22 am : link
They have extra 1st this year but no 2nd this year or next

That extra 23 pick plus the 11 pick is enough to trade us for our 6 pick btw

Are they a more complete roster? I dont see how a rookie QB gets a 7-10 anywhere significant on paper

Yeah they have Jefferson but what else? They had tbe absolute worst defense in NFL when we beat them in playoffs in 2022.

They lost Danielle Hunter and their own other Pro Bowler was a long snapper & FB

The Giants have 3 players who rank at absolute top of their positions- LWrence, Thomas and Burns

Again the Giants 6 + 47 is a better offer than the Vikings 11 + 23

The Giants first next year is at worst equal to theirs and they dont have a second round pick next year

If the Vikings are able to offer more its because they have decided they need a QB more than we have.
The Vikings offense is a player away  
Mike from Ohio : 4/20/2024 9:23 am : link
The defense needs work.
RE: NYG can offer more than MN  
GFAN52 : 4/20/2024 9:24 am : link
In comment 16476452 UberAlias said:
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The question is about willingness. Minnesota's 2nd 1st rounder is a combination of this year's and next years second round pick. So their 11 and 23 is the equivalent of NYG offering 6, 47, and next year's 2.


It's easier to sell their fan base if they receive three #1 picks. I posted this morning from an article:

"Jerod Mayo admitted it would take a “bag” to move out of the No. 3 pick. And NBC Sports Boston’s Tom Curran reported that internally the belief is that it would take more than three first-round picks."
GFAN52  
UberAlias : 4/20/2024 9:28 am : link
It's also easy to sell a fan base on a blue chipper you can get at 6. Plus, they could do the exact same thing --deal up from 47 into round 1, and would have our next year's second as extra ammo to do it. What do you think teams believe of NYGs 2nd rounder next year? My guess is, they would expect it to be a pretty damn good pick.
RE: IMO  
US1 Giants : 4/20/2024 9:33 am : link
In comment 16476414 Eric from BBI said:
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the best shot for the Giants is for the Vikings to trade up to #3, and the Giants being OK with the remaining QB (McCarthy or Maye).


OK is not good enough. Giants should LOVE a QB to pick them this high.
That's  
Toth029 : 4/20/2024 9:34 am : link
Where Minnesota not having a 2nd this or next, and no 3rd this year being a significant problem.

If the Patriots didn't oppose getting a Penix or Nix, they can afford to take that move altogether. If they swapped with the Giants and Schoen pushed his chips in, they can still get the leftover between Maye and McCarthy at 6, or still those "big 3" wide receivers.

It all depends how aggressive Schoen is.
I’m talking myself into the idea  
Reeses Pieces : 4/20/2024 9:46 am : link
That there is no movement in the Top 5. Top 3 teams need QBs, while the Cards and Chargers need WR1. Why not get them on rookie contracts? This is a top heavy draft class when looking at talent tiers for both of those positions.
RE: RE: The  
AcidTest : 4/20/2024 9:51 am : link
In comment 16476413 Eric from BBI said:
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Giants can offer more than the Vikings.

It's a matter of IF Joe would do it.



Three #1s (including two this year) plus possible additional picks? Vikings have a more complete roster and can afford to part ways with picks more too.


The Vikings are also apparently very likely to get two third round comp picks next year. That would probably increase their willingness to offer more draft capital this year and next to try and move up.
Other Key Difference Between NYG and Minnesota  
KennyHill48 : 4/20/2024 9:51 am : link
Minnesota is more desperate in the sense that, from what I've read, there is a lot of pressure on Kwesi from ownership to get a franchise QB in this draft. So while the Giants may have more draft picks to trade from this year's and next year's draft, Kwesi may be looking at it like that he may get fired if he does not execute a trade up. Schoen, rightfully so in my opinion, is not under the same pressure.
I wonder if we might see both move up.  
LW_Giants : 4/20/2024 10:28 am : link
Vikings to 3 and Giants to 4. Seems at least plausible if Giants like both Maye and JJM and Cards aren't being absurd in their asking price for 4 given they'd only be moving down two spots.
I don't care for the  
mittenedman : 4/20/2024 10:32 am : link
"needs to sit a few years" stuff.

There is just some undefinable quality NFL QBs have. You can either do it or you can't. So many times the guys who are considered pro-ready can't play, and the guys that are considered projects can.

If they like one of the QBs they've got to take him, and hope Daboll gets good play out of him. Surround with a good situation and develop him properly.
RE: Other Key Difference Between NYG and Minnesota  
bw in dc : 4/20/2024 10:34 am : link
In comment 16476491 KennyHill48 said:
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Minnesota is more desperate in the sense that, from what I've read, there is a lot of pressure on Kwesi from ownership to get a franchise QB in this draft. So while the Giants may have more draft picks to trade from this year's and next year's draft, Kwesi may be looking at it like that he may get fired if he does not execute a trade up. Schoen, rightfully so in my opinion, is not under the same pressure.


If we don't draft a QB at the end of this draft, which means Schoen has re-hitched his future to Jones, then he should be under immense pressure.

He will be declaring the team is ready to go with a 6th year veteran making $40M per year.
RE: RE: Broncos?  
Section331 : 4/20/2024 10:39 am : link
In comment 16476404 Eric from BBI said:
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He said the Broncos are just as likely to trade down and take Nix as move up.


I agree, I think Nix screams Sean Payton QB to me. I have to wonder how much of an appetite they have to give up future firsts after the Russ Wilson experiment.
RE: IMO  
Optimus-NY : 4/20/2024 10:44 am : link
In comment 16476414 Eric from BBI said:
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the best shot for the Giants is for the Vikings to trade up to #3, and the Giants being OK with the remaining QB (McCarthy or Maye).


That scenario makes sense. Otherwise I can see the Giants missing out completely on a QB.
RE: RE: IMO  
BleedBlue46 : 4/20/2024 10:48 am : link
In comment 16476547 Optimus-NY said:
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the best shot for the Giants is for the Vikings to trade up to #3, and the Giants being OK with the remaining QB (McCarthy or Maye).



That scenario makes sense. Otherwise I can see the Giants missing out completely on a QB.


This is my current belief and hope, maybe just a belief because it's what I hope ha.
Unpopular hope  
Mike from Ohio : 4/20/2024 10:59 am : link
But if the Vikings were fine with either Maye or McCarthy, I would love to swap #6 with them for #11 and #23 and pick up Penix at #11 and then a WR or other BPA at #23.

Long shot scenario, but would be thrilled with that outcome.
RE: Unpopular hope  
gary_from_chester : 4/20/2024 11:06 am : link
In comment 16476557 Mike from Ohio said:
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But if the Vikings were fine with either Maye or McCarthy, I would love to swap #6 with them for #11 and #23 and pick up Penix at #11 and then a WR or other BPA at #23.

Long shot scenario, but would be thrilled with that outcome.


+1
You still have to hope the Broncos and Raiders aren't lurking  
widmerseyebrow : 4/20/2024 11:09 am : link
Even if the Vikings trade up to 3.
RE: You still have to hope the Broncos and Raiders aren't lurking  
Mike from Ohio : 4/20/2024 11:12 am : link
In comment 16476571 widmerseyebrow said:
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Even if the Vikings trade up to 3.


I assume they have both spoken to the Cardinal and Chargers at #4 and #5.

Extremely unlikely, but there could very well be 4 QBs off the board when the Giants go on the clock at #6.
RE: Unpopular hope  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/20/2024 11:14 am : link
In comment 16476557 Mike from Ohio said:
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But if the Vikings were fine with either Maye or McCarthy, I would love to swap #6 with them for #11 and #23 and pick up Penix at #11 and then a WR or other BPA at #23.

Long shot scenario, but would be thrilled with that outcome.


I agree.
this scenario could be the problem  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2024 11:34 am : link
Rickey
@prettyrickey213
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1h
Still expecting Daniels to be the pick at 2 and the Pats to stay put and take Maye or JJMC.
RE: this scenario could be the problem  
widmerseyebrow : 4/20/2024 11:39 am : link
In comment 16476606 Eric from BBI said:
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Rickey
@prettyrickey213
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1h
Still expecting Daniels to be the pick at 2 and the Pats to stay put and take Maye or JJMC.


If the Giants are truly not high on the remaining QB (I believe we've heard they are not interested in Maye or McCarthy at 6 depending on who you believe), then I wonder if there could be a bidding war to trade down. In other words could the Giants talk the Vikings into trading with them instead of the Cardinals or Chargers?

We haven't heard as much on the Broncos, but I think there is some truth to their intentions to move up with a big picks + player package. No way Sean Payton is going into 2024 without a QB.
RE: this scenario could be the problem  
GFAN52 : 4/20/2024 11:39 am : link
In comment 16476606 Eric from BBI said:
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Rickey
@prettyrickey213
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1h
Still expecting Daniels to be the pick at 2 and the Pats to stay put and take Maye or JJMC.


Wouldn't surprise me. The Vikings are supposed have the parameters of deals worked out at #3, #4 and #5 picks.
RE: RE: this scenario could be the problem  
BleedBlue46 : 4/20/2024 11:42 am : link
In comment 16476619 GFAN52 said:
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Rickey
@prettyrickey213
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1h
Still expecting Daniels to be the pick at 2 and the Pats to stay put and take Maye or JJMC.



Wouldn't surprise me. The Vikings are supposed have the parameters of deals worked out at #3, #4 and #5 picks.



I think that was just essentially a click bait rumor.
RE: RE: The  
jvm52106 : 4/20/2024 11:58 am : link
In comment 16476413 Eric from BBI said:
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Giants can offer more than the Vikings.

It's a matter of IF Joe would do it.



Three #1s (including two this year) plus possible additional picks? Vikings have a more complete roster and can afford to part ways with picks more too.


It's not 3 1's, it's a swap and two 1's. Giants can literally offer swap and av1 while still leaving the other team inside the top 5 (if you ignore the pick the Giants would acquire)..
The Vikings have had a QB  
jvm52106 : 4/20/2024 12:00 pm : link
For the last few years and haven't won. They need a QB but they need a better overall team- weak defense, average running game and average oline..
Re he did...  
clatterbuck : 4/20/2024 12:38 pm : link
If Giants like Maye's upside, I don't see a problem with him sitting behind DJ/Lock while he learns and Daboll coaches him up.
RE: RE: RE: this scenario could be the problem  
GFAN52 : 4/20/2024 12:43 pm : link
In comment 16476621 BleedBlue46 said:
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Rickey
@prettyrickey213
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1h
Still expecting Daniels to be the pick at 2 and the Pats to stay put and take Maye or JJMC.



Wouldn't surprise me. The Vikings are supposed have the parameters of deals worked out at #3, #4 and #5 picks.




I think that was just essentially a click bait rumor.


Teams have to be prepared as I expect the Giants are prepared with similar deals ready to go depending on who they want and see falling.
RE: RE: You still have to hope the Broncos and Raiders aren't lurking  
shyster : 4/20/2024 12:52 pm : link
In comment 16476572 Mike from Ohio said:
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Even if the Vikings trade up to 3.



I assume they have both spoken to the Cardinal and Chargers at #4 and #5.

Extremely unlikely, but there could very well be 4 QBs off the board when the Giants go on the clock at #6.


Betting odds reflect about a 2 out of 3 chance that McCarthy will go top 5.

And the other three QBs are close to %100.
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