Information around draft time is meant to confuse not just fans, but other teams. They are full of half-truths. If they were all lies, no one would believe them. We are trading up - we are staying put - we are trading down. We like this guy, but we don't like that guy. Who or what should we believe? My advice is let's trust our instincts and not our emotions. On this site we have our own Sy, who is a scout. He's not perfect, but then, who is! If you want to hang your hat on someone, how about hanging your hat on Sy instead of asshats. And I'm all in favor of listening to them, it's very entertaining, but not believing them as they have their own agendas. So, let's take a look at Sy's rankings keeping in mind that the purpose of drafting is to obtain the best talent possible, and not necessarily what emotionally seems like the greatest need.
3 ALL PRO LEVEL PLAYERS
92-WR M Harrison
91-WR R Odunze
90-WR M Nabers
We must not forget just how elite these 3 WRs truly are. Keep in mind that in 2014, OBJ was graded an 81, and D Adams only a 75, so Sy must really love these guys. In 2021, J Chase was given an 89 and D. Smith an 87. So trading up or trading down and losing out on one of these guys shouldn't be taken so lightly. WRs like these are once in a blue moon players. If you trade up for a QB, you better be sure you feel certain they will a top 5 QB, and not just a better starter than what we already have.
12 PRO BOWLERS
88-DT R Orhorhoro
88-OL O Fashanu
87-OL J Alt
86-OL T Fatanau
86-OL J Powers-Jackson
85-OL A Mims
85-OL JC Latham
87-QB C Williams
87-QB J Daniels
85-WR B Thomas
88-TE B Bowers
85-CB Q Mitchell
There are only 2 QBs we can trade up for that are expected to be ProBowlers in Williams and Daniels, and neither are likely to be attainable. But if Daniels doesn't go top 2, then trading away an elite AllPro WR for a ProBowl QB makes some sense if the cost to do so is not outrageous.
There are those who believe we could draft Alt at #6, but there are an unusual amount of ProBowl type OLs and so including them in a trade down scenario makes more sense.
A trade down scenario involving getting 2 ProBowlers instead of 1 AllPro is a reasonable option. Trading down to no lower than #15 makes that almost a guarantee.
I'm not going to list Sy's day one starters, other than to note that D Maye and J McCarthy at 83 and 84 would not merit giving away one of the truly elite players, let alone more draft capital no matter how much we are sick of D Jones. They are day one starters and as such, should not be worth it, assuming the Giants have similar rankings as Sy. That may not be the case, and that is why the information provided by the asshats is so enticing. What if the Giants believe McCarthy or Maye are top 5 QBs. Well, that changes everything, doesn't it! It upsets the apple cart so to speak, and that is exactly the outcome they are looking for!
So, the way it seems to me is we either stay at #6 or we trade down and gain 2 really good players. Both are acceptable strategies. We could trade up, but not too far, and we won't give up the farm to do it.
The Giants want a QB, either Maye or McCarthy. They may be happy with one or both.
If they can't take the QB, they are likely to take a WR (probably Nabers, but possibly Odunze).
The could trade down if the QB or WR they want is gone and/or the trade package blows them away.
The Giants want a QB, either Maye or McCarthy. They may be happy with one or both.
If they can't take the QB, they are likely to take a WR (probably Nabers, but possibly Odunze).
The could trade down if the QB or WR they want is gone and/or the trade package blows them away.
^This.
The Giants want a QB, either Maye or McCarthy. They may be happy with one or both.
If they can't take the QB, they are likely to take a WR (probably Nabers, but possibly Odunze).
The could trade down if the QB or WR they want is gone and/or the trade package blows them away.
Well put. We’re on the outside looking in for a QB but it’s still possible. The other two options are more likely. I like the WR option but wouldn’t be disappointed with the other.
The Giants love Maye
The Giants don't love Maye and wouldn't take him even at 6.
The Giants love McCarthy
they would even trade up for him.
WTF?? its giving me a headache.!!
Personally, I just hope that, whoever is selected, they can make an impact. What would set me off is them running up to the podium at 6 and selecting a safety nobody ever heard of!!! I've seen too many Rocky Thompson moments over the years.
At the end of the day, let's remember, it's only a game and not personal ---just make good picks!
The Giants want a QB, either Maye or McCarthy. They may be happy with one or both.
If they can't take the QB, they are likely to take a WR (probably Nabers, but possibly Odunze).
The could trade down if the QB or WR they want is gone and/or the trade package blows them away.
Not only is this the case, but it has been pretty obviously the case since the season ended. The only change is that we "might" have more clarity on filling in the names. That is I don't think most people had McCarthy on their bingo card in this spot. And as a fan I am OK with any of the answers.
More importantly, if we want to listen to Sy (which I do), he said recently - I think on Big Blue Banter - that there are so many good receivers in the pipeline that we could see even better receiver classes over the next couple of years (my interpretation).
The Giants want a QB, either Maye or McCarthy. They may be happy with one or both.
If they can't take the QB, they are likely to take a WR (probably Nabers, but possibly Odunze).
The could trade down if the QB or WR they want is gone and/or the trade package blows them away.
My feeling is for the Giants...this is a 6 person draft for their current draft slot. I don't really see them moving down. I think the 6 are Williams Maye and Daniels at QB or any of the big three WR's. I am not convinced they like JJM enough to pick him if he shows up at 6. They might like him at 10 -12 but not sure that he would be there still at that point given all the noise and QB hungry teams we are hearing about. Further, I think the argument above that there are 3 essentially even WR's with extraordinary All Pro level talent makes the consolation prize for getting any of them pretty damn awesome.
I remain a fan of building the trenches before adding the skill players on O and I might advocate a trade down with Minny to get the very highly rated WR that is left plus one of the very highly rated OL that remain in round 1...but I don't believe that is what the Giants have in mind. I remain convinced they stay at 6 and pick best available WR unless they worked out something for 3 with NE with Maye or Daniels as the target.
The Giants want a QB, either Maye or McCarthy. They may be happy with one or both.
If they can't take the QB, they are likely to take a WR (probably Nabers, but possibly Odunze).
The could trade down if the QB or WR they want is gone and/or the trade package blows them away.
+1
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The proof is in the pudding on draft night. We will all see then. But even then, you’ll get all the BBI cynics giving some bs reason why they didn’t do this or they didn’t do that, Mara meddled…etc etc. Even if the front office gives their explanation of why they did what, you’ll have people hear who didn’t like what they did or what they said will bash them with their own reasons from reading some draft guide or watching clips on YouTube or listening to whatever asshat or media says about how their own draft grades or feelings of players.
Obviously the Giants front office & scouting department feels otherwise.
The Giants want a QB, either Maye or McCarthy. They may be happy with one or both.
If they can't take the QB, they are likely to take a WR (probably Nabers, but possibly Odunze).
The could trade down if the QB or WR they want is gone and/or the trade package blows them away.
The Giants will not have the same grades as Sy. And so you are right, we won't know until the draft happens.
Say NYG is in talks w/NE for #3. NE may really like a trade down to 6. Schoen is saying out loud that he "was surprised at how much interest there was behind us to move up". Kind of lights a fire under NE to do the deal, or we'll do it with Cowden's buddy, Monty in ARI or something.
On top of it, Schoen could be talking to MIN for example, to get those 2 first rounders, (maybe get B. Thomas/Bowers and a CB/DT). Which is REALLY enticing.
If MIN is the one team with the desire & fire power to trade up, NYG could take that trade away from NE. Or am I reading that wrong as a possibility? (its 4/20 here lol)
NE could pull a Belichick-esque trade-down move, post-Belichick lol
The JJM Smoke - if it was NYG, maybe they were trying to push down Maye/more WR choices
Just sit back and hope something good happens. Its unfigureoutable
Last year we were picking 25th and 3 quarterbacks went top 4. The year before we had 2 top 10 picks and 1 quarterback went in the 1st round. Kenny Pickett went 20th overall.