I know most here will say take everything with a grain of salt, but at the same time I believe GoDeep's post has some significance. He obviously isn't going to lay out the entirety of our draft plans, but there is truth amongst probable smoke there.
He said he specifically requests that his source not tell him outright lies. And he said there is more he can't currently share. I'm trying to think of reasons he might have been given the ok to share this info and I'm trying to see what might be true vs smoke.
Here's what I've come up with and I'd like to hear your thoughts on it too. I think the part GoDeep is leaving out is that we have a deal in place with AZ for the reported cost of pick 6, 70 and 2025 2nd. I don't think they have this deal in place for just one QB. I think they are ok with Daniels (highly unlikely) or JJM or Maye for that cost. I think they have JJM and Maye in the same tier, but they prefer Maye slightly which is why the Maye part is pure smoke in hopes of Maye being the one to fall to 4. Now, the whole post could be pure smoke but I believe GoDeep when he says be requests his source not tell him outright lies. GoDeep's post is not based in an outright lie if they like both JJM and Maye and feel like they have a solid deal in place to get one of them, while still having a slight preference for Maye.
This is the only scenario I can see both GoDeep not being told a pure smoke bomb of outright lies and him being given the green light to share this information.
What do you think?
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BREAKING: just told that #Pats have framework for 2 deals in place if their QB is not avail at 3. One of these deals is believed to be w/ #NYG and other w/ #Minn. Still unclear who their guy is. Also talk that #Pats are high on JJ and may maneuver slightly down for him. #nfldraft
I don't doubt that the parameters of a deal are in place, but how would this work? Which deal would NE take?
Where this is total BS is if the Pats want a QB they’re taking him at 3. They aren’t taking a chance of trading down a few spots because someone can jump them. They aren’t trading down to the Giants and up to the Cardinals. Too many moving parts and it’s ridiculous. They are trading down if they don’t want a QB at all. Plain and simple.
Need to trade up to NE while NE trades back up to 4.
NYG - Maye
NE - JJ
LAC - Harrison/Nabers/Alt
ARI - Harrison/Nabers/Alt
Minnesota can either take Penix/Nix or go in another direction.
Agreed and I could see this happening, but if they want JJM they would need assurances we are taking Maye at 3. Also, Schoen could just be bold and call their bluff, believing he can get Maye at 4. Then again, that risks losing Maye to Minnesota if they trade up with LAC first then overpay Arizona for pick 4 from 5. New England would be risking the same, unless they feel confident with their Intel that Minnesota wants Maye not JJM. Then they would feel safe moving down with us then back up to 4.
If NE takes JJ at 3, I think Arizona will prefer a slight drop down to 6.
I still can't get over the fact that we're in a situation where four quarterbacks are going to go 1-2-3-4. And we just had a draft where we had the #5 and #7 picks with no QBs.
We have the worst freaking luck.
🙏🙏🙏.
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BREAKING: just told that #Pats have framework for 2 deals in place if their QB is not avail at 3. One of these deals is believed to be w/ #NYG and other w/ #Minn. Still unclear who their guy is. Also talk that #Pats are high on JJ and may maneuver slightly down for him. #nfldraft
I don't doubt that the parameters of a deal are in place, but how would this work? Which deal would NE take?
Where this is total BS is if the Pats want a QB they’re taking him at 3. They aren’t taking a chance of trading down a few spots because someone can jump them. They aren’t trading down to the Giants and up to the Cardinals. Too many moving parts and it’s ridiculous. They are trading down if they don’t want a QB at all. Plain and simple.
Not necessarily true if they are confident Minnesota doesn't want JJM. Then it's as simple as trading with us and then having a deal with AZ to move back up to 4. They would net JJM plus our 2025 1st.
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Good post. I think NYG has the advantage in a trade up to 4. Not sure they have the advantage in a trade up to 3. However, if NE likes JJ then NYG should have the advantage.
If NE takes JJ at 3, I think Arizona will prefer a slight drop down to 6.
I still can't get over the fact that we're in a situation where four quarterbacks are going to go 1-2-3-4. And we just had a draft where we had the #5 and #7 picks with no QBs.
We have the worst freaking luck.
I never thought the football gods would be so harsh after the promises I made on that final Pats drive in XLVI.
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Good post. I think NYG has the advantage in a trade up to 4. Not sure they have the advantage in a trade up to 3. However, if NE likes JJ then NYG should have the advantage.
If NE takes JJ at 3, I think Arizona will prefer a slight drop down to 6.
I still can't get over the fact that we're in a situation where four quarterbacks are going to go 1-2-3-4. And we just had a draft where we had the #5 and #7 picks with no QBs.
We have the worst freaking luck.
True, just our luck that the 2022 QB draft was as bad as it gets. Then again it wasn't all bad luck. Gettleman could have foreseen that being likely and taken Parsons.
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If you want to analyze the post, analyze what parts of it are clearly misinformation and why.
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I haven't heard anything (doesn't mean it's not true). Teams know Daniels won't be there at 3. Pats will be walking away with the draft with Maye or JJMC. I don't see any scenario where Pats walk away from the draft without Maye or JJMC. I still expect the Pats to keep the pick
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I haven't heard anything (doesn't mean it's not true). Teams know Daniels won't be there at 3. Pats will be walking away with the draft with Maye or JJMC. I don't see any scenario where Pats walk away from the draft without Maye or JJMC. I still expect the Pats to keep the pick
If this is true, then it's Giants versus Vikings for the #4 pick. If it's too rich, Giants will likely draft Harrison or Nabers.
Well, the Daniel Jones contract is self-inflicted.
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I haven't heard anything (doesn't mean it's not true). Teams know Daniels won't be there at 3. Pats will be walking away with the draft with Maye or JJMC. I don't see any scenario where Pats walk away from the draft without Maye or JJMC. I still expect the Pats to keep the pick
Only way they realistically trade down then is with us. They would have to trade from 11 to 5 then to 4 if they moved with Minnesota and wanted JJM.
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As a first time GM, he's gotten everything thrown at him. This is as hard as it gets the poker game he's playing right now.
Well, the Daniel Jones contract is self-inflicted.
The most realistic way I see Minnesota beating us to 4 is by trading 11 and 23 for 5 and then 2025 1st to AZ for 4 which would be bonkers but I wouldn't put it past them.
I suspect the earlier report that while the league loves Odunze too, there is a gap between him and the other two WRs.
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Good post. I think NYG has the advantage in a trade up to 4. Not sure they have the advantage in a trade up to 3. However, if NE likes JJ then NYG should have the advantage.
If NE takes JJ at 3, I think Arizona will prefer a slight drop down to 6.
I still can't get over the fact that we're in a situation where four quarterbacks are going to go 1-2-3-4. And we just had a draft where we had the #5 and #7 picks with no QBs.
We have the worst freaking luck.
This is why you just can’t wait til next year. There are 6 QBs here. Take one
It appears we are trying to trade up for one of the other two. One will likely go to the Patriots at #3. The other will likely go at #4 with a trade up by us or the Vikings.
Long story short, they are trying to do what you want them to do. It may not work out.
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BREAKING: just told that #Pats have framework for 2 deals in place if their QB is not avail at 3. One of these deals is believed to be w/ #NYG and other w/ #Minn. Still unclear who their guy is. Also talk that #Pats are high on JJ and may maneuver slightly down for him. #nfldraft
I don't doubt that the parameters of a deal are in place, but how would this work? Which deal would NE take?
Where this is total BS is if the Pats want a QB they’re taking him at 3. They aren’t taking a chance of trading down a few spots because someone can jump them. They aren’t trading down to the Giants and up to the Cardinals. Too many moving parts and it’s ridiculous. They are trading down if they don’t want a QB at all. Plain and simple.
Not necessarily true if they are confident Minnesota doesn't want JJM. Then it's as simple as trading with us and then having a deal with AZ to move back up to 4. They would net JJM plus our 2025 1st.
100% yes It’s absolutely true because there’s absolutely no way to know if the Vikings want or don’t want JJM. Especially since there’s so many rumors that the Vikings love JJM and Maye. That’s the entire point. You’re not risking the chance to take a franchise QB at the top of the draft. It’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.
It appears we are trying to trade up for one of the other two. One will likely go to the Patriots at #3. The other will likely go at #4 with a trade up by us or the Vikings.
Long story short, they are trying to do what you want them to do. It may not work out.
Yell it for the people in the back! Can you just take your quote and pin it to the top of the page or have it automatically post as the first comment in every thread? It’s literally as simple as you stated it, yet people are going insane with their theories and will blame Mara or someone if it doesn’t go the way they want.
I don't see LAC trading a chance at a franchise qb with a division rival, but maybe with a massive overpay
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BREAKING: just told that #Pats have framework for 2 deals in place if their QB is not avail at 3. One of these deals is believed to be w/ #NYG and other w/ #Minn. Still unclear who their guy is. Also talk that #Pats are high on JJ and may maneuver slightly down for him. #nfldraft
I don't doubt that the parameters of a deal are in place, but how would this work? Which deal would NE take?
Where this is total BS is if the Pats want a QB they’re taking him at 3. They aren’t taking a chance of trading down a few spots because someone can jump them. They aren’t trading down to the Giants and up to the Cardinals. Too many moving parts and it’s ridiculous. They are trading down if they don’t want a QB at all. Plain and simple.
Not necessarily true if they are confident Minnesota doesn't want JJM. Then it's as simple as trading with us and then having a deal with AZ to move back up to 4. They would net JJM plus our 2025 1st.
100% yes It’s absolutely true because there’s absolutely no way to know if the Vikings want or don’t want JJM. Especially since there’s so many rumors that the Vikings love JJM and Maye. That’s the entire point. You’re not risking the chance to take a franchise QB at the top of the draft. It’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.
It's not a risk if they have a deal with AZ done beforehand.
Yawn, need some new material bud.
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Good post. I think NYG has the advantage in a trade up to 4. Not sure they have the advantage in a trade up to 3. However, if NE likes JJ then NYG should have the advantage.
If NE takes JJ at 3, I think Arizona will prefer a slight drop down to 6.
I still can't get over the fact that we're in a situation where four quarterbacks are going to go 1-2-3-4. And we just had a draft where we had the #5 and #7 picks with no QBs.
We have the worst freaking luck.
I never thought the football gods would be so harsh after the promises I made on that final Pats drive in XLVI.
So it's all your fault?!
So what I'm saying is that this draft will boil down to what the Chargers do at #5. No one knows. They can go best WR, best OT, trade down for picks. They are the wildcard. NE at least you know wants a QB. Arizona you know wants a WR. Giants need to go up to at least #4 to control their destiny a little bit. I can see the draft playing out:
1. Chi-Caleb
2. WSH-Daniels
3. NE-ultimately not messing around and taking JJM(especially if Kraft wants another Mich QB to carry the torch)
4. NYG-Maye via trade. Arizona entertains offers and ultimately taking NYG's offer with the caveat that we don't go WR
5. LAC-whomever
6. Ari-best WR available with either MHJr or Nabers on the board after trading down. And if the Chargers don't go MHJr, then Arizona's GM will look like a genius. Dropping down to #6 and still getting arguably the best prospect in the draft.
So what I'm saying is that this draft will boil down to what the Chargers do at #5. No one knows. They can go best WR, best OT, trade down for picks. They are the wildcard. NE at least you know wants a QB. Arizona you know wants a WR. Giants need to go up to at least #4 to control their destiny a little bit. I can see the draft playing out:
1. Chi-Caleb
2. WSH-Daniels
3. NE-ultimately not messing around and taking JJM(especially if Kraft wants another Mich QB to carry the torch)
4. NYG-Maye via trade. Arizona entertains offers and ultimately taking NYG's offer with the caveat that we don't go WR
5. LAC-whomever
6. Ari-best WR available with either MHJr or Nabers on the board after trading down. And if the Chargers don't go MHJr, then Arizona's GM will look like a genius. Dropping down to #6 and still getting arguably the best prospect in the draft.
This is very likely.
So what I'm saying is that this draft will boil down to what the Chargers do at #5. No one knows. They can go best WR, best OT, trade down for picks. They are the wildcard. NE at least you know wants a QB. Arizona you know wants a WR. Giants need to go up to at least #4 to control their destiny a little bit. I can see the draft playing out:
1. Chi-Caleb
2. WSH-Daniels
3. NE-ultimately not messing around and taking JJM(especially if Kraft wants another Mich QB to carry the torch)
4. NYG-Maye via trade. Arizona entertains offers and ultimately taking NYG's offer with the caveat that we don't go WR
5. LAC-whomever
6. Ari-best WR available with either MHJr or Nabers on the board after trading down. And if the Chargers don't go MHJr, then Arizona's GM will look like a genius. Dropping down to #6 and still getting arguably the best prospect in the draft.
This is likely to me. New England controls the first domino to start the draft. If New England goes Maye i think things could look drastically (relatively) different.
Why would AZ make that trade now? They could get into a bidding war if the right guy drops, there is no advantage for them to make the trade now.
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I haven't heard anything (doesn't mean it's not true). Teams know Daniels won't be there at 3. Pats will be walking away with the draft with Maye or JJMC. I don't see any scenario where Pats walk away from the draft without Maye or JJMC. I still expect the Pats to keep the pick
If Mrs. Eric is right about the Giants and a QB then she’d be doubly right about the Pats and a QB. They are going to have the choice of Maye and JJM and they’re taking neither. That’s BS.
So what I'm saying is that this draft will boil down to what the Chargers do at #5. No one knows. They can go best WR, best OT, trade down for picks. They are the wildcard. NE at least you know wants a QB. Arizona you know wants a WR. Giants need to go up to at least #4 to control their destiny a little bit. I can see the draft playing out:
1. Chi-Caleb
2. WSH-Daniels
3. NE-ultimately not messing around and taking JJM(especially if Kraft wants another Mich QB to carry the torch)
4. NYG-Maye via trade. Arizona entertains offers and ultimately taking NYG's offer with the caveat that we don't go WR
5. LAC-whomever
6. Ari-best WR available with either MHJr or Nabers on the board after trading down. And if the Chargers don't go MHJr, then Arizona's GM will look like a genius. Dropping down to #6 and still getting arguably the best prospect in the draft.
Good post
GoDeep13’s post now has its own reaction post…
I think this may be happening with the Giants, where one side loves Maye, and the other loves JJM. New England may be another situation, with Kraft loving JJM, and the Front Office wanting picks.
Asshats information can change on a dime, even hour to hour before the draft. While it's great we get info on BBI, I think in the majority of cases, teams are using sites like BBI (where you have a LOT of media who reads and follows the site) to pass along subtle hints and mis-direction.
So don't get mad at the Asshats if their information (given days or hours before) isn't correct at the time of the draft, though it could have been a few days before. As Eric says, this is all fun and great for discussion!
I do think that despite what GoDeep's source says, Washinton isn't 100% on Daniels, and may switch to Maye at the last minute. There's always a first round shocker, and I think that's the one for this year.
In that case, things would fall in our favor (Daniels to NE, and the Giants trading with Arizona for JJM). We'll see.
When I asked who the preference between JJM and Maye is, the source said they honestly do not know. They have been hearing conflicting things
When I asked who the preference between JJM and Maye is, the source said they honestly do not know. They have been hearing conflicting things
Interesting, thanks for the info. This sounds right on the money with a balance between what all the asshats have said and it's what I lean toward being true too.
I think this may be happening with the Giants, where one side loves Maye, and the other loves JJM. New England may be another situation, with Kraft loving JJM, and the Front Office wanting picks.
Asshats information can change on a dime, even hour to hour before the draft. While it's great we get info on BBI, I think in the majority of cases, teams are using sites like BBI (where you have a LOT of media who reads and follows the site) to pass along subtle hints and mis-direction.
So don't get mad at the Asshats if their information (given days or hours before) isn't correct at the time of the draft, though it could have been a few days before. As Eric says, this is all fun and great for discussion!
I do think that despite what GoDeep's source says, Washinton isn't 100% on Daniels, and may switch to Maye at the last minute. There's always a first round shocker, and I think that's the one for this year.
In that case, things would fall in our favor (Daniels to NE, and the Giants trading with Arizona for JJM). We'll see.
Agreed about any asshat involvement being fun and never cause for negativity no matter what.
And that's a good point about potential in house differences for both the Patriots and Giants perhaps based on ownership vs front office. If
That's what dd in Mass says: Kraft is in full bloom love with JJ and telling people he's the next TB12.
So what I'm saying is that this draft will boil down to what the Chargers do at #5. No one knows. They can go best WR, best OT, trade down for picks. They are the wildcard. NE at least you know wants a QB. Arizona you know wants a WR. Giants need to go up to at least #4 to control their destiny a little bit. I can see the draft playing out:
1. Chi-Caleb
2. WSH-Daniels
3. NE-ultimately not messing around and taking JJM(especially if Kraft wants another Mich QB to carry the torch)
4. NYG-Maye via trade. Arizona entertains offers and ultimately taking NYG's offer with the caveat that we don't go WR
5. LAC-whomever
6. Ari-best WR available with either MHJr or Nabers on the board after trading down. And if the Chargers don't go MHJr, then Arizona's GM will look like a genius. Dropping down to #6 and still getting arguably the best prospect in the draft.
This is what I am hoping for. Along with keeping 47 and 2025 1st round pick.
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If NE is definitely not getting their #1 QB choice(Daniels) and are staring at either Maye or JJM, then they have a choice to make. Take the picks in a trade down w/ Minn(better package in NE's eyes) or NYG(#6+). Trading all the way down to #11 drops them into the 2nd tier of QB which Kraft doesn't want to do and it's a gamble to drop to #6 for JJM because what if a QB needy team jumps to #5?
So what I'm saying is that this draft will boil down to what the Chargers do at #5. No one knows. They can go best WR, best OT, trade down for picks. They are the wildcard. NE at least you know wants a QB. Arizona you know wants a WR. Giants need to go up to at least #4 to control their destiny a little bit. I can see the draft playing out:
1. Chi-Caleb
2. WSH-Daniels
3. NE-ultimately not messing around and taking JJM(especially if Kraft wants another Mich QB to carry the torch)
4. NYG-Maye via trade. Arizona entertains offers and ultimately taking NYG's offer with the caveat that we don't go WR
5. LAC-whomever
6. Ari-best WR available with either MHJr or Nabers on the board after trading down. And if the Chargers don't go MHJr, then Arizona's GM will look like a genius. Dropping down to #6 and still getting arguably the best prospect in the draft.
This is what I am hoping for. Along with keeping 47 and 2025 1st round pick.
In this scenario which I think is the most probable based on reading the tea leaves-- while admittedly being my preference so I may be bias--we could potentially get Maye/JJM, Aiyuk and Burns for pick 6, 47, 70, 2025 2nd, 5th and conditional 4th/3rd. I'd call that winning.
Minny already has a deal in place as go deep says we are frozen out. Minn is taking Maye.
NYG doesnt really like JJM but are acting like they do so they can raise the price for a trade down. Rumors of parameters of a deal with Denver might have credibility.
Minny already has a deal in place as go deep says we are frozen out. Minn is taking Maye.
NYG doesnt really like JJM but are acting like they do so they can raise the price for a trade down. Rumors of parameters of a deal with Denver might have credibility.
So the QB stuff in GoDeep's post is pure smoke to you and dd in Mass saying Kraft loves JJM is disregarded. Interesting take and definitely plausible.
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Just reread original post, Godeep is saying NE is out on JJM. So im ignoring what supposedly Kraft has said. The Minny asshat has said they are 100% picking Maye so I'm using that info.
If Daniels is gone at 3 NE is trading out.
Minny already has a deal in place as go deep says we are frozen out. Minn is taking Maye.
NYG doesnt really like JJM but are acting like they do so they can raise the price for a trade down. Rumors of parameters of a deal with Denver might have credibility.
So the QB stuff in GoDeep's post is pure smoke to you and dd in Mass saying Kraft loves JJM is disregarded. Interesting take and definitely plausible.
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If Daniels is gone at 3 NE is trading out.
Minny already has a deal in place as go deep says we are frozen out. Minn is taking Maye.
NYG doesnt really like JJM but are acting like they do so they can raise the price for a trade down. Rumors of parameters of a deal with Denver might have credibility.
So the QB stuff in GoDeep's post is pure smoke to you and dd in Mass saying Kraft loves JJM is disregarded. Interesting take and definitely plausible.
Just reread original post, Godeep is saying NE is out on JJM. So im ignoring what supposedly Kraft has said. The Minny asshat has said they are 100% picking Maye so I'm using that info.
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If Daniels is gone at 3 NE is trading out.
Minny already has a deal in place as go deep says we are frozen out. Minn is taking Maye.
NYG doesnt really like JJM but are acting like they do so they can raise the price for a trade down. Rumors of parameters of a deal with Denver might have credibility.
So the QB stuff in GoDeep's post is pure smoke to you and dd in Mass saying Kraft loves JJM is disregarded. Interesting take and definitely plausible.
Just reread original post, Godeep is saying NE is out on JJM. So im ignoring what supposedly Kraft has said. The Minny asshat has said they are 100% picking Maye so I'm using that info.
Totally, I'm picking up what you're putting down which would make the NYG QB stuff in GoDeep's post pure smoke (we want Maye, don't want JJM which is opposite of what he said and thus pure smoke/spin). I could totally see that and it's very plausible.