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NFT: Mets @ Dodgers: Gm 2 – ⚾Buttó (R) vs. Stone (R)⚾– 4:05 pm ET

Optimus-NY : 4/20/2024 3:40 pm

Starting Lineups for both clubs today.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for today's and tomorrow's games in La La Land against the Dodgers.
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#LFGM!
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Notes:
-Today's game is on WPIX (first time this season) and so is tomorrow afternoon's game. Today's game will also be broadcast on FS1.
-The weather for today's game in Los Angeles is pretty decent. Click HERE to see the Hourly AccuWeather Report for Dodger Stadium.
-The Mets have won their last 5 games in a row and are 8-2 in their 10 games; they've also won 5 of their last 6 games in L.A. in Dodger Stadium.

-The Mets made 3 roster moves today: (1) they placed C Francisco Alvarez on the 15-day injured list with a left thumb sprain; (2) designated LHP Kolton Ingram for assignment; & (3) selected the contract of C Tomás Nido from Syracuse.
-Click HERE to see the list of Mets transactions thus far for April.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active roster.
-The Mets' 4-man bench for tonight's game will consist of Nido (R), Taylor (R), Short (R), & Baty (L).
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RE: his game in the field is gone and last year he didnt hit  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/20/2024 7:04 pm : link
In comment 16477166 Eric on Li said:
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hes 1 homer away from matching last year's total already.

hes clearly lost a lot of athleticism but thankfully he can still swing the bat.


He was hurt so much of last season. If he's bad this year I'll call it but I still think he can bring it.
imagine instead of Tonkin  
KDavies : 4/20/2024 7:05 pm : link
the Mets hadn't traded Slaten. Overall, a good offseason. But that move and Rosario would have been really fantastic. Though Wendle has had a nice game
RoboUmps can’t get here soon enough  
CooperDash : 4/20/2024 7:10 pm : link
What a joke
Diaz!  
BigBlueNH : 4/20/2024 7:15 pm : link
Overcoming the shitty umpiring. Will he try to close it out? Hasn't pitched in awhile, right?
RE: imagine instead of Tonkin  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 7:15 pm : link
In comment 16477221 KDavies said:
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the Mets hadn't traded Slaten. Overall, a good offseason. But that move and Rosario would have been really fantastic. Though Wendle has had a nice game


rosario wasnt signing to be a backup. he turned down bigger offers elsewhere to start (which is what he's doing in tampa, mostly in the OF).

slaten definitely looks like a missed opportunity. dont know why they didnt like him but also hard to argue their general decisions in the bp. garrett has been lights out and they have a sub-2 bp era. even some of the guys they didnt have room for have been good for other teams (adams).
RE: Diaz!  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 7:17 pm : link
In comment 16477227 BigBlueNH said:
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Overcoming the shitty umpiring. Will he try to close it out? Hasn't pitched in awhile, right?


i dont think they put him back out there already at 20 pitches.

outman, pages, lux up so maybe. he could over power those 3 and then you just dont pitch him tomorrow.
Overall, yes the BP has been great.  
CooperDash : 4/20/2024 7:17 pm : link
But their decision to sign Tonkin twice can certainly be questioned, lol.
So, it's Garrett, and hoping they don't get around to Betts etc.  
BigBlueNH : 4/20/2024 7:22 pm : link
If they do, maybe Raley or Diekman. Fingers crossed.
RE: Overall, yes the BP has been great.  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 7:22 pm : link
In comment 16477232 CooperDash said:
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But their decision to sign Tonkin twice can certainly be questioned, lol.


they are just cycling the bottom of the pen. those guys are all going to be waiver fodder types whether its tonkin, ramirez, whoever.

by cycling that spot with waivable players you get more fresh pitchers up - like they probably will tomorrow after they waive tonkin again.
RE: So, it's Garrett, and hoping they don't get around to Betts etc.  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 7:23 pm : link
In comment 16477240 BigBlueNH said:
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If they do, maybe Raley or Diekman. Fingers crossed.


think that's probably right. garrett threw a lot of pitches yesterday, figured he wasnt available. guess they figure may as well let him go while he's confident/hot.
Garrett got lucky there with that 3rd strike call.  
Optimus-NY : 4/20/2024 7:24 pm : link
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RE: Garrett got lucky there with that 3rd strike call.  
Mike in NY : 4/20/2024 7:24 pm : link
In comment 16477251 Optimus-NY said:
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This plate ump is atrocious
Expert BP management!  
BigBlueNH : 4/20/2024 7:28 pm : link
I take it all back. LGM! Sweep these fuckers tomorrow.
Nice, let’s do something special this season  
CooperDash : 4/20/2024 7:28 pm : link
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Every team  
pjcas18 : 4/20/2024 7:29 pm : link
needs a JAG like Garrett who has been mid to worse his whole career to figure it out and contribute.

Hope he keeps it up.

another big series win  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 7:29 pm : link
still havent played a game against a team under .500.

now won 5 straight series all against winning teams.

hard to imagine a better start for mendoze even down to the showing the knock back after having started so disastrously.
Put ANOTHER one in the books!  
Optimus-NY : 4/20/2024 7:32 pm : link

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MLB.com Gameday Wrap
not to rain on parade but looks like no bullets were dodged  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 7:44 pm : link
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Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
Francisco Alvarez has a torn ligament in the thumb and will have surgery. Carlos Mendoza said unsure of timetable, but confidence he will return this year.


good thing they held on to narvaez and nido.
all this and  
KDavies : 4/20/2024 7:45 pm : link
Senga and Martinez have yet to debut. Enjoyable stretch of baseball. 12-3 after losing 1st five.
RE: not to rain on parade but looks like no bullets were dodged  
CooperDash : 4/20/2024 7:46 pm : link
In comment 16477298 Eric on Li said:
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Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
Francisco Alvarez has a torn ligament in the thumb and will have surgery. Carlos Mendoza said unsure of timetable, but confidence he will return this year.



good thing they held on to narvaez and nido.


Yikes, that escalated quickly. Couple of hours ago it was just a sprain.

Get well soon, stud. The spot behind Home plate will be waiting for you.
Bummer about Alvarez.  
BigBlueNH : 4/20/2024 7:47 pm : link
Hopefully he's back for the stretch run.
Mendoza mentioned the Alvarez situation in his post-game P.C.  
Optimus-NY : 4/20/2024 7:48 pm : link
Francisco Alvarez has a torn ligament in his left thumb and will require surgery. They expect to get him back at some point this season.
baty got surgery 2 years ago on thumb was back 5 weeks  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 7:55 pm : link
that is probably best case scenario here. id sign for back after ASB.
RE: baty got surgery 2 years ago on thumb was back 5 weeks  
Optimus-NY : 4/20/2024 7:57 pm : link
In comment 16477335 Eric on Li said:
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that is probably best case scenario here. id sign for back after ASB.


+1

Immediately post All Star Break would be dandy indeed.
bad news on Alvarez  
KDavies : 4/20/2024 8:01 pm : link
I wonder if there are any FA C out there though Nido should be ok for 1 1/2 months
Pedro Grifol  
Mike in NY : 4/20/2024 8:07 pm : link
Do you think he makes it out of April as White Sox manager?
I think Derek Shelton  
Rory : 4/20/2024 9:10 pm : link
will be the first one if that defense doesn't get fixed.
RE: baty got surgery 2 years ago on thumb was back 5 weeks  
Jim in Fairfax : 4/20/2024 9:23 pm : link
In comment 16477335 Eric on Li said:
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that is probably best case scenario here. id sign for back after ASB.

Bath didn’t have to catch 90-100 MPH pitches with it all night tho.
Alverez torn ligament in thumb  
bhill410 : 4/21/2024 8:39 am : link
Will need surgery. They think he will be back this year. Unfortunate to say the least
RE: Alverez torn ligament in thumb  
Optimus-NY : 4/21/2024 10:12 am : link
In comment 16477734 bhill410 said:
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Will need surgery. They think he will be back this year. Unfortunate to say the least


Already mentioned several times in the thread.
Butto should stay in the  
spike : 4/21/2024 10:16 am : link
rotation, whenever Senga returns
RE: Butto should stay in the  
DanMetroMan : 4/21/2024 10:19 am : link
In comment 16477820 spike said:
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rotation, whenever Senga returns


Wouldn't worry about it too much. Senga isn't even eligible to return for 5 more weeks, Butto can solidify his spot (or lose it) over that time.
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DanMetroMan : 4/21/2024 10:20 am : link
Today would be a pretty good day for JDM to get back into games. The Mets are back home on 4/26, expectation seemed to be he'd be back for that game but if he's not in there today that means 4/23-4/25 would be only "rehab" opportunities
Mendoz  
DanMetroMan : 4/21/2024 10:31 am : link
said JDM is scheduled to play for St. Lucie today, then Syracuse Monday-Tues-Wed and join the Mets Friday barring setback. He probably misspoke (Syracuse doesn't play Monday) but sounds like we see JDM Friday barring any setbacks.
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DanMetroMan : 4/21/2024 10:36 am : link
If I'm going to squawk about the fact I said I thought Reed Garrett was more interesting before the season than some believed (not THIS good obviously) I have to take the L on Marte. Offensively, he's been a huge boost. Even with JDM coming hopefully Marte DH's some


It's tougher with JDM returning but they should try and sprinkle in DH starts for Marte, both for his health and also his defensive limitations. The DH starts that were earmarked for Alvarez at minimum
Hopefully they DH  
Rory : 4/21/2024 10:37 am : link
Tyrone Taylor. He's been a secret weapon.

bullpen has to be taxed and I don't think they DFA anyone again.. Need Houser to bring it all today.

Ugh, I dont think I'm ready to say goodbye to Marte at the deadline.
RE: Hopefully they DH  
DanMetroMan : 4/21/2024 10:39 am : link
In comment 16477848 Rory said:
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Tyrone Taylor. He's been a secret weapon.

bullpen has to be taxed and I don't think they DFA anyone again.. Need Houser to bring it all today.

Ugh, I dont think I'm ready to say goodbye to Marte at the deadline.


Would not be surprised to see Tonkin DFA'ed a second time for SRF.
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 4/21/2024 10:52 am : link
In comment 16477844 DanMetroMan said:
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If I'm going to squawk about the fact I said I thought Reed Garrett was more interesting before the season than some believed (not THIS good obviously) I have to take the L on Marte. Offensively, he's been a huge boost. Even with JDM coming hopefully Marte DH's some


It's tougher with JDM returning but they should try and sprinkle in DH starts for Marte, both for his health and also his defensive limitations. The DH starts that were earmarked for Alvarez at minimum


same - marte so far is hitting better than 2022. the defensive/athletic limitations continue, but if he keeps hitting like he has that may even be a worthy tradeoff since they have taylor/stewart who can play. plus gilbert on the way. honestly may be less worried about marte than jdm right now:

+4 mph on avg ev.
almost 150% improvement in hh% and barrel%.
chasing a lot less too.



sammon says 6-8 weeks for alvarez, id sign for 10 and ASB right now.
RE: RE: Hopefully they DH  
Eric on Li : 4/21/2024 10:54 am : link
In comment 16477853 DanMetroMan said:
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Tyrone Taylor. He's been a secret weapon.

bullpen has to be taxed and I don't think they DFA anyone again.. Need Houser to bring it all today.

Ugh, I dont think I'm ready to say goodbye to Marte at the deadline.



Would not be surprised to see Tonkin DFA'ed a second time for SRF.


i think part of yesterday was probably knowing they have someone to cycle today, though bp should be in decent shape.

raley/diekman/otto got yesterday off.

diaz/lopez should be ok for today.

so maybe they save a move and throw tonkin again if its a blowout wrong way.
RE: Hopefully they DH  
Optimus-NY : 4/21/2024 11:07 am : link
In comment 16477848 Rory said:
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Tyrone Taylor. He's been a secret weapon.

bullpen has to be taxed and I don't think they DFA anyone again.. Need Houser to bring it all today.

Ugh, I dont think I'm ready to say goodbye to Marte at the deadline.


The way he's playing, they're not trading him. No way. The best case scenario is unfolding: he has two years left on his contract, including this year, and will most likely be here for both. Ryan Clifford--who's killing it at High A Brooklyn btw--will probably be ready to take his roster spot by 2026 when he's gone.
SRF’s  
DanMetroMan : 4/21/2024 11:21 am : link
Deadline to be activated is coming up and they internally talk him up so I almost wonder if they added Tonkin in case any of the games in LA went sideways and needed somebody to eat those innings. Being out in LA (obviously) complicates making player moves vs. being at home (quick flight). I expect to see SRF relatively soon.
if the team keeps playing this way they are buying not selling  
Eric on Li : 4/21/2024 11:21 am : link
not even sure what they'd be buying though to tell you the truth. another quality reliever for stretch and maybe if there's a good enough pending FA starter? but im not sure there is.

maybe get JV back from Houston if they go in tank lol.
RE: SRF’s  
Eric on Li : 4/21/2024 11:22 am : link
In comment 16477911 DanMetroMan said:
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Deadline to be activated is coming up and they internally talk him up so I almost wonder if they added Tonkin in case any of the games in LA went sideways and needed somebody to eat those innings. Being out in LA (obviously) complicates making player moves vs. being at home (quick flight). I expect to see SRF relatively soon.


entirely possible. the best service of that last bp spot is making sure you have someone to protect the rest of the pen. operation human shield.
RE: RE: RE: Hopefully they DH  
Mike in NY : 4/21/2024 11:28 am : link
In comment 16477868 Eric on Li said:
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Tyrone Taylor. He's been a secret weapon.

bullpen has to be taxed and I don't think they DFA anyone again.. Need Houser to bring it all today.

Ugh, I dont think I'm ready to say goodbye to Marte at the deadline.



Would not be surprised to see Tonkin DFA'ed a second time for SRF.



i think part of yesterday was probably knowing they have someone to cycle today, though bp should be in decent shape.

raley/diekman/otto got yesterday off.

diaz/lopez should be ok for today.

so maybe they save a move and throw tonkin again if its a blowout wrong way.


Smith could probably give 1 inning max if needed or as a righty option if you needed Raley against the lefties but then someone was on after 3 batters and you wanted to turn to a righty. The only one not available today appears to be Reed Garrett.
SRF  
DanMetroMan : 4/21/2024 1:09 pm : link
Joins the Mets, corresponding move tbd
RE: SRF  
Eric on Li : 4/21/2024 1:26 pm : link
In comment 16478041 DanMetroMan said:
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Joins the Mets, corresponding move tbd


has to be tonkin but maybe after today's game?

dont see any other obvious move unless someone else is injured.
RE: RE: SRF  
Rory : 4/21/2024 1:47 pm : link
In comment 16478051 Eric on Li said:
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Joins the Mets, corresponding move tbd



has to be tonkin but maybe after today's game?

dont see any other obvious move unless someone else is injured.



Wouldn’t it be putting Alverez on DL?
RE: RE: RE: SRF  
Eric on Li : 4/21/2024 1:53 pm : link
In comment 16478077 Rory said:
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Joins the Mets, corresponding move tbd



has to be tonkin but maybe after today's game?

dont see any other obvious move unless someone else is injured.




Wouldn’t it be putting Alverez on DL?


Nido took that spot.
looks like tonkin is fall guy today and waived tomorrow  
Eric on Li : 4/21/2024 1:58 pm : link
bless guys like him who have to suit up and go knowing they are like 6 hours from being kicked to the curb with a plane ticket and their suitcase.


Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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Sean Reid-Foley won’t be activated today.
RE: looks like tonkin is fall guy today and waived tomorrow  
DanMetroMan : 4/21/2024 2:51 pm : link
In comment 16478091 Eric on Li said:
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bless guys like him who have to suit up and go knowing they are like 6 hours from being kicked to the curb with a plane ticket and their suitcase.


Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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Sean Reid-Foley won’t be activated today.


Credited with the win yesterday lol
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