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NFT: Mets @ Dodgers: Gm 2 – ⚾Buttó (R) vs. Stone (R)⚾– 4:05 pm ET

Optimus-NY : 4/20/2024 3:40 pm

Starting Lineups for both clubs today.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for today's and tomorrow's games in La La Land against the Dodgers.
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Notes:
-Today's game is on WPIX (first time this season) and so is tomorrow afternoon's game. Today's game will also be broadcast on FS1.
-The weather for today's game in Los Angeles is pretty decent. Click HERE to see the Hourly AccuWeather Report for Dodger Stadium.
-The Mets have won their last 5 games in a row and are 8-2 in their 10 games; they've also won 5 of their last 6 games in L.A. in Dodger Stadium.

-The Mets made 3 roster moves today: (1) they placed C Francisco Alvarez on the 15-day injured list with a left thumb sprain; (2) designated LHP Kolton Ingram for assignment; & (3) selected the contract of C Tomás Nido from Syracuse.
-Click HERE to see the list of Mets transactions thus far for April.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active roster.
-The Mets' 4-man bench for tonight's game will consist of Nido (R), Taylor (R), Short (R), & Baty (L).
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Check out the Minor League thread for April below:  
Optimus-NY : 4/20/2024 3:41 pm : link
We'll be doing one each month for the rest of the season. It'll be easier to consolidate info this way and for everyone to be able to follow along any news and information centering around the club's various affiliates.


NFT: Mets Minor League Update (April) - DanMetroMan - 4/2/2024 10:17 am
Is  
JayBinQueens : 4/20/2024 3:58 pm : link
Betts
Ohtani
Freeman

The best top of a lineup ever?
Here are links to today's game:  
Optimus-NY : 4/20/2024 4:05 pm : link
*Courtesy of sportsurge.net*

Mets @ Dodgers | 4:05 pm EDT start - April 20, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Mets' feed - WPIX: Gary & Ron (thestreameast.to)

Mets @ Dodgers | 4:05 pm EDT start - April 20, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Dodgers' feed - SportsNet LA (dudestream.com)

MLB.com - Gameday: Pitch by Pitch - Mets @ Dodgers - April 20, 2024 - 4:05 pm EDT start


Note: Keith won’t be doing the game today.


Enjoy today's game 😊

Here's an article on both squads for today's game:  
Optimus-NY : 4/20/2024 4:09 pm : link
Click below...


Everything to know about FOX Saturday Baseball: Mets vs. Dodgers Updated Apr. 19, 2024 1:51 p.m. ET - ( New Window )
The FS1 feed has no announcers at the moment.  
Optimus-NY : 4/20/2024 4:10 pm : link
Perfect!
tough first for butto but good to see another lindor xbh/rbi  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 4:39 pm : link
and a nimmo SB. great job getting the bases loaded k to limit the damage.
Our old friend Kevin Burkhardt is doing the game on FS1 with D-Train.  
Optimus-NY : 4/20/2024 4:46 pm : link
Enjoyable.
RE: Our old friend Kevin Burkhardt is doing the game on FS1 with D-Train.  
KDavies : 4/20/2024 5:21 pm : link
In comment 16477057 Optimus-NY said:
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Enjoyable.


I actually enjoyed when their mics were out in the first inning. Nice to listen to baseball hearing just the PA announcer and fans.
back ahead  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 5:34 pm : link
nice rbi pickup by marte. 102.7mph single.

mets with an xba of .296 so far (5 actual hits), lad only .196 (2 actual hits).

big turn through top of order coming for butto.
think it's time to feel somewhat confident marte is back  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 6:11 pm : link
which is a very big development. 107.2mph 432 foot no doubter to dead center off righty.

.797 ops on the year hitting .286. that is the 2022 version maybe even better (everything under the hood looks good, including higher average exit velo). defense still problematic but he is hitting well enough he can be DH.

Can't believe I'm saying this, but...  
Optimus-NY : 4/20/2024 6:23 pm : link
Wicked movement on that pitch to strikeout Ohtani.

Now Freddie Freeman continues to kill the Mets...just like old times.
RE: RE: Our old friend Kevin Burkhardt is doing the game on FS1 with D-Train.  
Optimus-NY : 4/20/2024 6:24 pm : link
In comment 16477100 KDavies said:
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In comment 16477057 Optimus-NY said:


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Enjoyable.



I actually enjoyed when their mics were out in the first inning. Nice to listen to baseball hearing just the PA announcer and fans.


Same
Having the DFA bum Tomkins start the 6th  
BigBlueNH : 4/20/2024 6:27 pm : link
was just stupid. Why didn't Smith start the inning? Our BP is fresh. Is this game not important?
this LAD team is going to score against any BP  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 6:27 pm : link
filling 5 innings is a big ask and otto/garrett are probably unavailable. raley/diekman maybe too.

their BP is shaky too though so bats need to keep scoring until it's diaz time.
This team keeps going back to Tonkin and we are supposed to have  
CooperDash : 4/20/2024 6:30 pm : link
faith in their decision making?

But sure, I’m totally onboard with the mystical decision that Vientos has no spot here. Okay 🙄
RE: Having the DFA bum Tomkins start the 6th  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 6:31 pm : link
In comment 16477146 BigBlueNH said:
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was just stupid. Why didn't Smith start the inning? Our BP is fresh. Is this game not important?


otto and garrett each went multiple innings yesterday, raley and diekman each threw 20+ pitches. so they aren't fresh, in a perfect world they wouldnt have to pitch today.

so you had 4 guys fresh (tonkin, smith, lopez, diaz) with 5 innings left to fill. tried to sneak tonkin through as much as they could.

i suspect 1 of raley/diekman ends up in this one but they'd probably prefer to not have to use them and at least have some options.
RE: think it's time to feel somewhat confident marte is back  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/20/2024 6:33 pm : link
In comment 16477138 Eric on Li said:
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which is a very big development. 107.2mph 432 foot no doubter to dead center off righty.

.797 ops on the year hitting .286. that is the 2022 version maybe even better (everything under the hood looks good, including higher average exit velo). defense still problematic but he is hitting well enough he can be DH.



It's the durability that's going with him, not his game.
RE: RE: Having the DFA bum Tomkins start the 6th  
Mike in NY : 4/20/2024 6:34 pm : link
In comment 16477156 Eric on Li said:
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was just stupid. Why didn't Smith start the inning? Our BP is fresh. Is this game not important?



otto and garrett each went multiple innings yesterday, raley and diekman each threw 20+ pitches. so they aren't fresh, in a perfect world they wouldnt have to pitch today.

so you had 4 guys fresh (tonkin, smith, lopez, diaz) with 5 innings left to fill. tried to sneak tonkin through as much as they could.

i suspect 1 of raley/diekman ends up in this one but they'd probably prefer to not have to use them and at least have some options.


Raley/Diekman probably only if we need to get a lefty out to end an inning. As far as CooperDash, Tonkin is totally different than Vientos. None of the AAA arms other than Garrett has stepped up as that guy who can pitch the 5th or 6th with a lead the day after your other usual options put in a lot of work.
his game in the field is gone and last year he didnt hit  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 6:38 pm : link
hes 1 homer away from matching last year's total already.

hes clearly lost a lot of athleticism but thankfully he can still swing the bat.
Thanks, Eric. I wasn't aware of yesterday's workload.  
BigBlueNH : 4/20/2024 6:39 pm : link
I know we were fresh before that. I really don't like Tonkin, tho. Maybe he's gone when SRF returns.
I know that Tonkin and Vientos are different situations  
CooperDash : 4/20/2024 6:40 pm : link
But it’s a conversation about their decision making. Tonkin has never been a good, or even average, pitcher. He had to go play in Japan and Mexico for fucks sake. He was DFA’d by TWO teams in the first three weeks of the season - one of them being the Mets. If you don’t have anyone in your organization better than Tonkin then there is something seriously wrong.

And against the Dodgers of all teams.
RE: RE: RE: Having the DFA bum Tomkins start the 6th  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 6:43 pm : link
In comment 16477160 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 16477156 Eric on Li said:


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In comment 16477146 BigBlueNH said:


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was just stupid. Why didn't Smith start the inning? Our BP is fresh. Is this game not important?



otto and garrett each went multiple innings yesterday, raley and diekman each threw 20+ pitches. so they aren't fresh, in a perfect world they wouldnt have to pitch today.

so you had 4 guys fresh (tonkin, smith, lopez, diaz) with 5 innings left to fill. tried to sneak tonkin through as much as they could.

i suspect 1 of raley/diekman ends up in this one but they'd probably prefer to not have to use them and at least have some options.



Raley/Diekman probably only if we need to get a lefty out to end an inning. As far as CooperDash, Tonkin is totally different than Vientos. None of the AAA arms other than Garrett has stepped up as that guy who can pitch the 5th or 6th with a lead the day after your other usual options put in a lot of work.


agreed - i dont think you start diekman or raley in an inning but hopefully 1 (or both) are fresh enough to come in and face a lefty if smith or lopez get into a bind.

you may be able to get otto in today since he didnt throw a ton of pitches yesterday. should have garrett and diaz tomorrow but ideally you have 2 or 3 other arms fresh. if otto, raley, diekman pitch today they arent pitching 3 in a row tomorrow.
RE: Thanks, Eric. I wasn't aware of yesterday's workload.  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 6:44 pm : link
In comment 16477168 BigBlueNH said:
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I know we were fresh before that. I really don't like Tonkin, tho. Maybe he's gone when SRF returns.


id guess that's their move. id guess 50/50 he gets swapped out tomorrow for someone fresh.
5 pitch inning  
Mike in NY : 4/20/2024 6:45 pm : link
Hopefully Lopez can pitch the 8th
quick inning for lopez there is huge  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 6:49 pm : link
he probably starts the 8th, dodgers probably pinch hit for barnes but if not it's a gift.

then you hope lopez can get through the 9 spot and give him a shot against betts, with either diekman/raley ready to come in for ohtani/freeman. could bring diekman/raley in for betts/ohtani/freeman and have diaz for hernandez.

who knows maybe even had diaz ready for betts/ohtani/freeman/hernandez? would be gutsy.
RE: I know that Tonkin and Vientos are different situations  
Mike in NY : 4/20/2024 6:50 pm : link
In comment 16477170 CooperDash said:
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But it’s a conversation about their decision making. Tonkin has never been a good, or even average, pitcher. He had to go play in Japan and Mexico for fucks sake. He was DFA’d by TWO teams in the first three weeks of the season - one of them being the Mets. If you don’t have anyone in your organization better than Tonkin then there is something seriously wrong.

And against the Dodgers of all teams.


Dedniel Núñez has been the most effective reliever in AAA so far but he pitched 14th, 17th, and 18th so Mets probably didn’t think he would be available for this series
dodgers IF defense has been a real problem for them  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 6:51 pm : link
this is where you need marte to steal a base and then someone find a way to get him home for the insurance run.
man good clean baseball is fun - so do you guys go diaz to start 8th?  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 6:55 pm : link
i guess you may as well right? either you get your best against all their top guys or if he gets the first 3 in order, freeman comes up in the 9th without being the tying run.

not sure who pitches the 9th but i guess it will depend on who is up (L or R).
big out by lopez  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 7:02 pm : link
that's why you sign ground ball pitchers. think diaz is in if anyone gets on.
that grounder to baty was 101 mph and .610 xba  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 7:04 pm : link
i still dont really believe xba is a good stat because that seemed like a pretty routine play but it was a hard hit ball.

diaz coming on now with ohtani up as tying run.
RE: his game in the field is gone and last year he didnt hit  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/20/2024 7:04 pm : link
In comment 16477166 Eric on Li said:
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hes 1 homer away from matching last year's total already.

hes clearly lost a lot of athleticism but thankfully he can still swing the bat.


He was hurt so much of last season. If he's bad this year I'll call it but I still think he can bring it.
imagine instead of Tonkin  
KDavies : 4/20/2024 7:05 pm : link
the Mets hadn't traded Slaten. Overall, a good offseason. But that move and Rosario would have been really fantastic. Though Wendle has had a nice game
RoboUmps can’t get here soon enough  
CooperDash : 4/20/2024 7:10 pm : link
What a joke
Diaz!  
BigBlueNH : 4/20/2024 7:15 pm : link
Overcoming the shitty umpiring. Will he try to close it out? Hasn't pitched in awhile, right?
RE: imagine instead of Tonkin  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 7:15 pm : link
In comment 16477221 KDavies said:
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the Mets hadn't traded Slaten. Overall, a good offseason. But that move and Rosario would have been really fantastic. Though Wendle has had a nice game


rosario wasnt signing to be a backup. he turned down bigger offers elsewhere to start (which is what he's doing in tampa, mostly in the OF).

slaten definitely looks like a missed opportunity. dont know why they didnt like him but also hard to argue their general decisions in the bp. garrett has been lights out and they have a sub-2 bp era. even some of the guys they didnt have room for have been good for other teams (adams).
RE: Diaz!  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 7:17 pm : link
In comment 16477227 BigBlueNH said:
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Overcoming the shitty umpiring. Will he try to close it out? Hasn't pitched in awhile, right?


i dont think they put him back out there already at 20 pitches.

outman, pages, lux up so maybe. he could over power those 3 and then you just dont pitch him tomorrow.
Overall, yes the BP has been great.  
CooperDash : 4/20/2024 7:17 pm : link
But their decision to sign Tonkin twice can certainly be questioned, lol.
So, it's Garrett, and hoping they don't get around to Betts etc.  
BigBlueNH : 4/20/2024 7:22 pm : link
If they do, maybe Raley or Diekman. Fingers crossed.
RE: Overall, yes the BP has been great.  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 7:22 pm : link
In comment 16477232 CooperDash said:
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But their decision to sign Tonkin twice can certainly be questioned, lol.


they are just cycling the bottom of the pen. those guys are all going to be waiver fodder types whether its tonkin, ramirez, whoever.

by cycling that spot with waivable players you get more fresh pitchers up - like they probably will tomorrow after they waive tonkin again.
RE: So, it's Garrett, and hoping they don't get around to Betts etc.  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 7:23 pm : link
In comment 16477240 BigBlueNH said:
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If they do, maybe Raley or Diekman. Fingers crossed.


think that's probably right. garrett threw a lot of pitches yesterday, figured he wasnt available. guess they figure may as well let him go while he's confident/hot.
Garrett got lucky there with that 3rd strike call.  
Optimus-NY : 4/20/2024 7:24 pm : link
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RE: Garrett got lucky there with that 3rd strike call.  
Mike in NY : 4/20/2024 7:24 pm : link
In comment 16477251 Optimus-NY said:
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This plate ump is atrocious
Expert BP management!  
BigBlueNH : 4/20/2024 7:28 pm : link
I take it all back. LGM! Sweep these fuckers tomorrow.
Nice, let’s do something special this season  
CooperDash : 4/20/2024 7:28 pm : link
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Every team  
pjcas18 : 4/20/2024 7:29 pm : link
needs a JAG like Garrett who has been mid to worse his whole career to figure it out and contribute.

Hope he keeps it up.

another big series win  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 7:29 pm : link
still havent played a game against a team under .500.

now won 5 straight series all against winning teams.

hard to imagine a better start for mendoze even down to the showing the knock back after having started so disastrously.
Put ANOTHER one in the books!  
Optimus-NY : 4/20/2024 7:32 pm : link

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MLB.com Gameday Wrap
not to rain on parade but looks like no bullets were dodged  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2024 7:44 pm : link
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Mike Puma
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Francisco Alvarez has a torn ligament in the thumb and will have surgery. Carlos Mendoza said unsure of timetable, but confidence he will return this year.


good thing they held on to narvaez and nido.
all this and  
KDavies : 4/20/2024 7:45 pm : link
Senga and Martinez have yet to debut. Enjoyable stretch of baseball. 12-3 after losing 1st five.
RE: not to rain on parade but looks like no bullets were dodged  
CooperDash : 4/20/2024 7:46 pm : link
In comment 16477298 Eric on Li said:
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Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
Francisco Alvarez has a torn ligament in the thumb and will have surgery. Carlos Mendoza said unsure of timetable, but confidence he will return this year.



good thing they held on to narvaez and nido.


Yikes, that escalated quickly. Couple of hours ago it was just a sprain.

Get well soon, stud. The spot behind Home plate will be waiting for you.
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