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Manny in CA : 4/20/2024 6:11 pm

He won three games before his inexperience caught up to him. In comes Tyrod who showed that he can still play, but he was too expensive to keep.

It's good to remember that Taylor, the vet, blew critical plays that cost games - Against the Bills before the half and against the Rams, at the end of the game.

When you think about it, it's pretty remarkable what DeVito did, being thrown into the flames because nobody else was available (with a miserable record setting sacks-allowed offensive line trying to protect him)

DeVito & Peyton Manning are clearly in different universes, BUT it's interesting to note that the Colts were 3-13 in Manning's rookie year.

He'll be the best practice squad QB in the league.  
Darwinian : 4/20/2024 6:13 pm : link
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Happy 4/20  
Larry in Pencilvania : 4/20/2024 6:46 pm : link
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If he goes back on our PS I predict someone will  
Blue21 : 4/20/2024 6:47 pm : link
Grab him.
He will be out of the league  
pjcas18 : 4/20/2024 6:48 pm : link
before his awful commercial stop airing.

He is not the answer.
RE: Happy 4/20  
Bill E : 4/20/2024 7:18 pm : link
In comment 16477181 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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Haha! Well played!
Manny and Paulie...  
Jim in Tampa : 4/20/2024 7:23 pm : link
should start a Tommy DeVito fan club.
Very easy to join, Jim .....  
Manny in CA : 4/20/2024 7:31 pm : link

For $1000.00 donation you get a bumper sticker and a Tommy DeVto bobblehead. (We're working on the tax exemption).
 
christian : 4/20/2024 7:36 pm : link
DeVito has more wins and TDs than Lock over the last two years. Kid was an UDFA. Sometimes players do in fact develop.

If they don't pick a QB, and Jones has a set back, I won't be surprised in the least if DeVito wins the job to start the season.
If DeVito  
pjcas18 : 4/20/2024 7:44 pm : link
sees significant real game action next year the Giants will be picking at the top of the draft again in 2025. and to be fair they may be anyway, but that is a telltale sign the season has gone off the rails.
The odds of him getting cut is hugh  
George from PA : 4/20/2024 8:33 pm : link
If they draft a QB
RE: Manny and Paulie...  
Paulie Walnuts : 4/20/2024 8:55 pm : link
In comment 16477248 Jim in Tampa said:
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should start a Tommy DeVito fan club.
it's anti Italian discrimination
RE: Happy 4/20  
SteelGiant : 4/20/2024 9:13 pm : link
In comment 16477181 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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Nice ;)
Can we stop acting like Gettleman was  
Silver Spoon : 4/20/2024 9:20 pm : link
funny, with these idiotic phrases. He absolutely destroyed this franchise.
ZZZZZZZzz  
81_Great_Dane : 4/20/2024 9:30 pm : link
ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz

I’m sleeping on Tommy. He’s 50-50 to be on the Practice Squad.
It's always more fun to see a long-shot make it ....  
Manny in CA : 4/20/2024 9:35 pm : link

Than the "can't miss" guy.

I didn't know there been that many in the history of the NFL. Here's an article that talks about that.

https://nypost.com/2024/02/03/sports/brock-purdy-not-only-long-shot-quarterback-to-start-in-super-bowl/

The one they missed was Johnny Unitas - an amazing story (the Steelers cut him and gave him the $10 bus fare to go home) ....

https://www.si.com/nfl/2014/07/15/nfl-history-in-95-objects-johnny-unitas-baltimore-colts-contract

Tommy  
56goat : 4/20/2024 10:13 pm : link
sleeps with the fishes.
Lol  
Anakim : 4/20/2024 10:14 pm : link
I love BBI
RE: It's always more fun to see a long-shot make it ....  
Anakim : 4/20/2024 10:15 pm : link
In comment 16477497 Manny in CA said:
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Than the "can't miss" guy.

I didn't know there been that many in the history of the NFL. Here's an article that talks about that.

https://nypost.com/2024/02/03/sports/brock-purdy-not-only-long-shot-quarterback-to-start-in-super-bowl/

The one they missed was Johnny Unitas - an amazing story (the Steelers cut him and gave him the $10 bus fare to go home) ....

https://www.si.com/nfl/2014/07/15/nfl-history-in-95-objects-johnny-unitas-baltimore-colts-contract


You put Tommy DeVito in the same sentence as Peyton Manning and Johnny Unitas...
SO, it's more fun to have a guy with little shot of ever starting  
Matt M. : 4/21/2024 5:28 am : link
than a franchise QB? OK.
I actually like DeVito and think he can develop into a decent backup  
Matt M. : 4/21/2024 5:31 am : link
And yes, his 3 wins were fun in a crap season. But, he showed a lot of why he was an UDFA also. He is currently 3rd in a 3 QB room, which is likely to expand to 4. That's the reality.

I would like to hold on to him and if we somehow end up with still only 3 QBs I'd like to hold on to him with the new rules. I do think if he's stashed on the practice squad again he will end up on another team before the season is over. But, that's also fine.
RE: I actually like DeVito and think he can develop into a decent backup  
AlwaysASpiral : 4/21/2024 6:46 am : link
In comment 16477668 Matt M. said:
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And yes, his 3 wins were fun in a crap season. But, he showed a lot of why he was an UDFA also. He is currently 3rd in a 3 QB room, which is likely to expand to 4. That's the reality.

I would like to hold on to him and if we somehow end up with still only 3 QBs I'd like to hold on to him with the new rules. I do think if he's stashed on the practice squad again he will end up on another team before the season is over. But, that's also fine.


Also, if we draft a QB in the draft, that means Jones is likely gone (eventually). So would make sense to have Tommy be QB #3 behind Lock.
I passed through REM long ago...  
The Mike : 4/21/2024 7:29 am : link
And am snoring very loudly as I type this.
RE: Can we stop acting like Gettleman was  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/21/2024 8:03 am : link
In comment 16477479 Silver Spoon said:
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funny, with these idiotic phrases. He absolutely destroyed this franchise.


Reese did. Gettleman didn't do anything near enough to correct that. Getting triggered like a pre teen who's parents won't get her 4000 Taylor Swift tickets every time someone says babying about DG might be sign though to log off for a bit
RE: RE: Can we stop acting like Gettleman was  
Ned In Atlanta : 4/21/2024 9:12 am : link
In comment 16477706 LauderdaleMatty said:
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funny, with these idiotic phrases. He absolutely destroyed this franchise.



Reese did. Gettleman didn't do anything near enough to correct that. Getting triggered like a pre teen who's parents won't get her 4000 Taylor Swift tickets every time someone says babying about DG might be sign though to log off for a bit



Gettleman was 19-46. An absolute stain on the franchise. People who run to his defense must be immediate family
RE: He will be out of the league  
RetroJint : 4/21/2024 9:48 am : link
In comment 16477189 pjcas18 said:
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before his awful commercial stop airing.

He is not the answer.


No he won’t be. DeVito gave every indication of being an excellent back-up QB.
RE: RE: Manny and Paulie...  
nochance : 4/21/2024 11:11 am : link
In comment 16477435 Paulie Walnuts said:
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should start a Tommy DeVito fan club.

it's anti Italian discrimination



They could discuss it over some vinegared peppers
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nochance : 4/21/2024 11:15 am : link
In comment 16477271 christian said:
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DeVito has more wins and TDs than Lock over the last two years. Kid was an UDFA. Sometimes players do in fact develop.

If they don't pick a QB, and Jones has a set back, I won't be surprised in the least if DeVito wins the job to start the season.



Not a chance in hell they open the season with him starting.
If that happens they would sign some out of work vet that got cut
I’m starting to think  
cjac : 4/21/2024 11:44 am : link
The Giants are going to draft the best WR left at 6, and go with Drew Lock this year (possibly drafting Penix or Nix if either make it or round 2)
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giantstock : 4/21/2024 11:58 am : link
In comment 16477271 christian said:
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I won't be surprised in the least if DeVito wins the job to start the season.


You're better than this.
I cannot stress this enough  
Anakim : 4/21/2024 12:27 pm : link
And I said this back during DeVito mania. It's a nice story, but you are out of your fucking mind if you think Tommy DeVito is a future franchise QB. Nothing and I mean NOTHING, other than showing moxie and toughness, would lead any of us to believe he's an NFL starter. Moxie and toughness are great traits for any player to have, let alone a QB, but it takes way more than that.
He has a good enough, arm  
Dave on the UWS : 4/21/2024 3:42 pm : link
good mobility, stays cool under pressure. A lot of things to like. Good pocket command.

BUT, he showed ZERO ability to read the defense pre or post snap, held the ball because he couldn't figure out where to go with it.

Now, if he improves THAT with experience, even up to Jones' less than acceptable level, he will make a good backup QB.
NYG won't be that quick to dump him.

If they draft a QB, I'm hoping they find a way to keep Jones on PUP all season until they can dump him. This way, Devito stays as QB3
He won three games before the league caught up to him.  
Wiggy : 4/21/2024 4:40 pm : link
Fixed that for you OP. As soon as the league got tape on him it was over.

He is not good and never will be
Schoen and Daboll with eye-rolling decisions late last season  
ThomasG : 4/21/2024 4:53 pm : link
of not trading Saquon and benching DeVito.

We’d have an extra pick from Saquon, DeVito would have gotten more experience, and the team would likely be drafting at higher position than #6.

Real impressive.
RE: He has a good enough, arm  
eric2425ny : 4/21/2024 5:04 pm : link
In comment 16478212 Dave on the UWS said:
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good mobility, stays cool under pressure. A lot of things to like. Good pocket command.

BUT, he showed ZERO ability to read the defense pre or post snap, held the ball because he couldn't figure out where to go with it.

Now, if he improves THAT with experience, even up to Jones' less than acceptable level, he will make a good backup QB.
NYG won't be that quick to dump him.

If they draft a QB, I'm hoping they find a way to keep Jones on PUP all season until they can dump him. This way, Devito stays as QB3


I think people also forget he was a rookie. His numbers were better than Bryce Young’s with a QB rating of 89 vs. Young’s 73.
RE: RE: He has a good enough, arm  
giantstock : 4/21/2024 5:15 pm : link
In comment 16478332 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 16478212 Dave on the UWS said:


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good mobility, stays cool under pressure. A lot of things to like. Good pocket command.

BUT, he showed ZERO ability to read the defense pre or post snap, held the ball because he couldn't figure out where to go with it.

Now, if he improves THAT with experience, even up to Jones' less than acceptable level, he will make a good backup QB.
NYG won't be that quick to dump him.

If they draft a QB, I'm hoping they find a way to keep Jones on PUP all season until they can dump him. This way, Devito stays as QB3



I think people also forget he was a rookie. His numbers were better than Bryce Young’s with a QB rating of 89 vs. Young’s 73.


People aren't forgettign Devitto was a rookie. They just understand he won't be in the NFL very long while it seems some Giants fans got swept up in the fantasy-mania.
Fair observation, giantstock, but  
Manny in CA : 4/22/2024 12:03 am : link

To arbitrarily draw a conclusion on a player like DeVito on the basis on the basis of small sample size seems to me not only arbitrary but unwise.

Again I offer the case of the Unitas experience at the Steelers, (the NFL doormat since their founding in 1933 until their fist Super Bowl in 1974).

Not only did they screw up with Unitas, but as stated in the following article - "the team's list of "almost quarterbacks" is arguably even more impressive, Sid Luckman, Len Dawson and Unitas were all briefly Steelers before becoming Hall of Famers elsewhere".

https://steelersdepot.com/2024/04/steelers-flashback-art-rooney-jr-recalls-team-cutting-qb-johnny-unitas/

So much for "expert" NFL player evaluators. .....

I do admit I am an unrepentant "Rose Colored" glass wearing romantic, but from a cold pragmatic point of view, the Giants have seen what this kid can do and will give him a chance to succeed with more experience and a better team around him.

I am looking forward to seeing waht he can do in preseason and him forcing the Giants to make it "hard-as-heck" to let him go.


RE: RE: Manny and Paulie...  
lono801 : 4/22/2024 12:24 am : link
In comment 16477435 Paulie Walnuts said:
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In comment 16477248 Jim in Tampa said:


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should start a Tommy DeVito fan club.

it's anti Italian discrimination


Coffee for everyone
lono, I'd love seeing you two ...  
Manny in CA : 4/22/2024 2:55 pm : link

If we can arrange something in the future; great times with in SF. Arizona would be ideal. I was there (Glendale AZ) in 2011, (Giants vs Cards, in October), their place is amazing. There's a lot of Giants fans



He's a 3rd stringer  
JonC : 4/22/2024 2:56 pm : link
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RE: He's a 3rd stringer  
Amtoft : 4/22/2024 2:59 pm : link
In comment 16479768 JonC said:
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If that... We won those games because we had 11 turnovers in those 3 wins. That is like 4 a game. He wasn't some star throwing for 300+ yards. He took advantage of our Def have a run of good games.
RE: Fair observation, giantstock, but  
giantstock : 4/22/2024 5:06 pm : link
In comment 16478750 Manny in CA said:
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To arbitrarily draw a conclusion on a player like DeVito on the basis on the basis of small sample size seems to me not only arbitrary but unwise.

Again I offer the case of the Unitas experience at the Steelers, (the NFL doormat since their founding in 1933 until their fist Super Bowl in 1974).

Not only did they screw up with Unitas, but as stated in the following article - "the team's list of "almost quarterbacks" is arguably even more impressive, Sid Luckman, Len Dawson and Unitas were all briefly Steelers before becoming Hall of Famers elsewhere".

https://steelersdepot.com/2024/04/steelers-flashback-art-rooney-jr-recalls-team-cutting-qb-johnny-unitas/

So much for "expert" NFL player evaluators. .....

I do admit I am an unrepentant "Rose Colored" glass wearing romantic, but from a cold pragmatic point of view, the Giants have seen what this kid can do and will give him a chance to succeed with more experience and a better team around him.

I am looking forward to seeing waht he can do in preseason and him forcing the Giants to make it "hard-as-heck" to let him go.



You could bring up Kurt Warner example and then do the same thing you are doing here? With Warner out of football- - why not use that example in your "rose colored" view too? You know someone at your lcoal store that you saw throw a football and want to add him to the list? Its the same thing.

Please don't get me wrong - I don't hold malice toward you- but sometimes if you or others get "Rose Colored," -- I am not that. So when I say "You don't know what you are talking about," - it's not meant in malice.
Thank you for reminding me about Warner, giantstock ...  
Manny in CA : 4/22/2024 11:59 pm : link

Brings to mind that one guy (ex Giant) - Geno Smith, who languished in the NFL and then all-of-a-sudden found himself with the Seahawks ....

While I do appreciate your gracious comment about not harboring any malice (and I recognize my naivete' in matters football), please absolve me as I remain unimpressed by the less than perfect record of the formal NFL intelligentsia in determining who will achieve success as an NFL QB ...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1047730-50-biggest-quarterback-busts-in-nfl-draft-history

Recall 1st round QB busts - Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell, Art Schlichter, Todd Marinovch, Heath Shuler, Rick Mirer, Andre Ware, Akili Smith, Todd Blackledge, Anre Ware, David Klingler, Dan McGwire, Cade McNown, Tim Couch, Jerry Tagge, Mike Phipps, Jim Druckenmiller,Kelly Stouffer, Jack Thompson, Joey Harrington, David Carr, Vince Young, Tommy Maddox, Rich Campbell, JP Losman, Jeff George, Kyle Boller, Richard Todd, Tony Eason, Brady Quinn, Mark Malone, etc,, etc.
What the...  
Anakim : 4/23/2024 12:15 am : link
Yes, there have been first round busts.
Yes, there have been undrafted QBs go on to have very nice careers.


What the hell does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Devito isn't good. He could've been a first rounder and I would still say the same (it only takes one team, remember!). He may not even be on an NFL roster in the next year or two.
RE: Thank you for reminding me about Warner, giantstock ...  
giantstock : 4/23/2024 12:43 am : link
In comment 16480872 Manny in CA said:
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Brings to mind that one guy (ex Giant) - Geno Smith, who languished in the NFL and then all-of-a-sudden found himself with the Seahawks ....

While I do appreciate your gracious comment about not harboring any malice (and I recognize my naivete' in matters football), please absolve me as I remain unimpressed by the less than perfect record of the formal NFL intelligentsia in determining who will achieve success as an NFL QB ...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1047730-50-biggest-quarterback-busts-in-nfl-draft-history

Recall 1st round QB busts - Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell, Art Schlichter, Todd Marinovch, Heath Shuler, Rick Mirer, Andre Ware, Akili Smith, Todd Blackledge, Anre Ware, David Klingler, Dan McGwire, Cade McNown, Tim Couch, Jerry Tagge, Mike Phipps, Jim Druckenmiller,Kelly Stouffer, Jack Thompson, Joey Harrington, David Carr, Vince Young, Tommy Maddox, Rich Campbell, JP Losman, Jeff George, Kyle Boller, Richard Todd, Tony Eason, Brady Quinn, Mark Malone, etc,, etc.


Then being wrong doesn't make you right about Devitto, does it?
The point is ....  
Manny in CA : 4/23/2024 1:11 pm : link

Quarterback evaluations are a crapshoot, whether the subjects in question are glittery first rounders, late rounders (Brady)or free agents (like Tony Romo).

Take a look at this alarming 1st round bust rate -

https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/185bvzz/theres_at_least_a_78_chance_that_a_1st_round_qb/

So given that history of NFL competence, my argument remains that just because he wasn't drafted it's to early (with a small sample size) to declare about DeVito - "he isn't any good"

I do agree, it's up-hill for him, BUT he HAS shown potential under difficult circumstances. Therefore , I do think the Giants will give him another chance. Till he crashes, I still maintain - Don't sleep on Tommy.
RE: The point is ....  
Anakim : 4/23/2024 1:21 pm : link
In comment 16481720 Manny in CA said:
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Quarterback evaluations are a crapshoot, whether the subjects in question are glittery first rounders, late rounders (Brady)or free agents (like Tony Romo).

Take a look at this alarming 1st round bust rate -

https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/185bvzz/theres_at_least_a_78_chance_that_a_1st_round_qb/

So given that history of NFL competence, my argument remains that just because he wasn't drafted it's to early (with a small sample size) to declare about DeVito - "he isn't any good"

I do agree, it's up-hill for him, BUT he HAS shown potential under difficult circumstances. Therefore , I do think the Giants will give him another chance. Till he crashes, I still maintain - Don't sleep on Tommy.


Every position is a crapshoot. Every time you sign or draft a young player it's a crapshoot. The point is you make an educated investment based on production, intangibles, physical traits, etc.
RE: It's always more fun to see a long-shot make it ....  
HomerJones45 : 4/23/2024 2:01 pm : link
In comment 16477497 Manny in CA said:
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Than the "can't miss" guy.

I didn't know there been that many in the history of the NFL. Here's an article that talks about that.

https://nypost.com/2024/02/03/sports/brock-purdy-not-only-long-shot-quarterback-to-start-in-super-bowl/

The one they missed was Johnny Unitas - an amazing story (the Steelers cut him and gave him the $10 bus fare to go home) ....

https://www.si.com/nfl/2014/07/15/nfl-history-in-95-objects-johnny-unitas-baltimore-colts-contract
Len Dawson. Both the Steelers and the Browns let him go.

In 1955, the Steelers had Unitas and let him go. In 1957, they had Earl Morral and Len Dawson and let them both go.

In a span of 3 season, they had two HOF qb's and a SB Qb and let them all go.
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